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Even The Athletic are reporting it now... And according to them, the club's offer for Hakimi doesn't yet include Emerson or Christensen.

Fairly certain they did not, especially based on the 4 managers' profile during his loan spell.

Didn't Christensen also look decent in a back 4 at Gladbach?

If Christensen is a liability in a back 4, then so is Rudiger. Both of them have done their best work in a back 3, first under Conte and then Tuchel.

City just won the league without a 20-goal striker and their top scorer was Gundogan with 13 goals. They also had only two players with 10 more goals and ended up scoring 25 more goals than us overall. If our attackers chip in with additional 5-10 goals at the very least, if the midfielders and wingbacks can chip around 5 goals, then it's not impossible to challenge for the title at least. Even if we get Haaland, we can't expect him to be the only one to score the goals. Others also need to increase their output. And have said this long before, not sure how realistic is it as well to expect a 21-year-old to come to the Premier League and immediately lead a team to a title win/challenge, freak-of-nature or not.

If we don't get Haaland, it's not the end of the world. Haaland or not, I expect this team to do better next season and based on the trajectory and points gained under Tuchel, I'd say we're more than capable of achieving it. We don't have to throw money at every problem, not when we have a squad that can improve and be worked further.

Too much talk and speculation, KK...show me the money!

Am sure they would have thought all of that before coming out to insist they won't sell Haaland this summer. If they are open to do so this year, they would have set a price with him like they did with Sancho but all their stance up till now is "he's not for sale". As I said earlier, we would have to make a batshit crazy offer for them to maybe consider it. Just because they know better doesn't mean anything. They don't control what their board do, just like we here on TC or any other fans on other forums. I know you are VERY desperate for us to buy Haaland but chill.....

You think Roman and the board really care what the others do? With that kind of money being spent, they would expect a proper ROI back - e.g. winning the league title. After all, you have people saying Haaland is the missing piece, the difference between us winning the league and not...

Did they say that with Mkhitaryan? The difference is he had only a year left on his contract then, which forced Dortmund to sell him as Watzke later admitted - https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/36693832. But on the flip side, there are examples where Dortmund stood their ground with Sancho and Lewandowski. And what does fans' views have anything to do with this?

Still. A major reason why we went bonkers with the spending last summer because we already got the money from the sales of Hazard and Morata in the bag. We haven't heard many, if any, rumors about the others so far. So god knows if there's any interest or not.

I don't remember what Dortmund said exactly back then but you left out a key part here - Dembele went AWOL, boycotted training etc to force the move.

Yeah but the problem is we are still in the pandemic, meaning clubs are less inclined to spend and meaning we may have to settle with mostly loaning out players again this summer.

If anyone still believes Di Marzio...

Moses and Tomori are gone but aside from those, we still need to actually sell those players. Right now, it's all just talk of prices and no one seems to be making any move.

The FFP isn't relaxed to give clubs a free reign in the transfer market... https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/jun/18/uefa-agree-to-suspend-financial-fair-play-rules-due-to-pandemic Otherwise, more clubs would have just gone BRR with it...

But it was still a pandemic season, he had some injuries and things went south under Lampard. Right or wrong, not sure if Marina sees it that way based on the price she puts on the other players.

There's the AFCON next January. I don't think he'll be sold this summer unless a club make an enticing offer for him. The club would probably want at least 40 million.

Yes, those players were willing to go abroad from English clubs but it also doesn't change the fact that circumstances played a part in that. Why do you think so many of the young players would be willing to go to the Bundesliga for example? Because clubs in Germany have a reputation of playing young players, academy players, giving them opportunities. Clubs in England generally don't do that, especially in the Premier League where there's too much at stake with the money etc. While there are success stories like Sancho and Bellingham, there are unsuccessful stories like Lookman, Ampadu and Smith-Rowe. Take Lookman for example. He went to Leipzig on loan in 2017/18, made 11 appearances. He was then bought by them in 2019, made 11 appearances but spent this past season on loan at Fulham.

That is true but it is still money lost at the end of the day. The point I was also trying to make there is if Dortmund keep hold of Haaland for at least another season, it would help boost their chances of qualifying for the Champions League again next season and maybe even do something in the Champions League itself. If that happens, then that would also guarantee they get as much money as possible. With Haaland and Sancho this past season, they almost didn't qualify for the Champions League. Imagine if they lose both in one go without having the time to find proper replacements. Given Dortmund are a decently run club, you would imagine Watzke and co. would have thought all these things through carefully. Mind you, it's also something that we did with Hazard. That is possible but we do not know what Haaland wants exactly, although there were previous reports that he favors a move to Real Madrid. Considering he seems like someone who likes challenges, one would think he would rather go to the Premier League or La Liga rather than stay in the Bundesliga with Bayern. On the other hand, from his perspective, if he is not sure about joining us, he can easily wait for another year and then have more clubs to choose from. Can even get more money through the wages. Would also be good financially from Raiola's perspective. But Dortmund's stance with Sancho last summer and Haaland this summer is different, no? Yes, they were somewhat open to selling Sancho last year but IIRC, they had set a price for him (think they mentioned it in the public and not just rumors?); either a club pay what we want or he stays. This year, they are willing to let him go and even negotiate the fee etc. But with Haaland, all year they have said he is staying with them. I know it could be the typical ploy of getting a club to come forward and seeing how much they are willing to offer but they have been consistent with their stance in the public. They have also not mentioned any sort of fee for him this summer apart from those rumored numbers. We would have to make a really batshit crazy offer for them to make a complete U-turn and another really batshit crazy offer to convince Haaland. Otherwise, it would just be another example of Dortmund's strong stance when it comes to selling their players.