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Well you were talking about Frankie Boyle; I don't think anything he's ever done classifies as journalism. Neither did Stewart or does Colbert. If people choose to take their news from their shows instead of papers and news channels says more about the state of main stream media. As for John Oliver, I'm not his biggest fan, but he still does better journalism (not great but still better) than the majority of actual journalists. None of Oliver, Stewart or Colbert would be as successful and popular if it weren't for the massive gap in the quality of actual journalism and news reporting that's begging to be filled.

Weird. I don't like comedians who stay away from politics and social issues. Their acts just seem hollow and empty of any real material. Comedy is nothing if not a social and political critique. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy ordinary jokes, I just don't think of it as comedy. Also, Frankie Boyle has the moral high ground literally on everyone in politics.

I read that yesterday, The part about Melania waiting for stockholm syndrome to set in had me almost in tears. Only Frankie Boyle can come up with such brilliance

Yes, and those very rare cases do not negate the hundreds of millions of cases around the world and throughout history that prove otherwise. The point you are trying to make is so ridiculous, you are basically saying that a considerable percentage of thousands of species of animals all have the complexity and consciousness to make the choice to become homosexual with very little to actually gain from that choice.

The fuck makes you think I will watch that?! As I said, the vast majority of LGBT people are convinced by their own experiences that they are born that way. A tiny minority won't change that nor will people who are not LGBT who have absolutely no idea what they are talking about.

Almost everyone who is LGBT says that it is not a choice and that they are born this way and can't choose their gender identity or sexual orientation. What makes you think that your belief on the matter, even though you have no idea how they actually feel, is more right than their own experiences?

How do you know that being LGBT is a lifestyle? Are you gay or trans yourself? If not, how in the world can you know?

Genuinely upset by how underrated that goal was. Yes, it was a huge mistake by Petr, but that finish was nothing short of world class!

Sorry but I REALLY don't understand the point you are trying to make. So let's retrace what we were saying and you tell me what I'm missing: - You said that everything is up for debate. -I said No, equal civil and human rights for everyone are not debatable. Meaning that even if a majority think that a group of people should have less rights than others the state cannot take away those people's rights. Myanmar was one example. It is an example of how discrimination can be legalized if you make human and civil rights debatable. Same with slavery, LGBT rights...etc. If human and civil rights are up for debate then minorities every where are screwed.

I'll just leave this here:

Wait, so yes?? I'll get to the other stuff, but are you really saying that the ongoing genocide in Myanmar is okay because most of the citizens there support it? Or am I misunderstanding something? Saying that everyone should equally have their basic human and civil rights is not a political view that you can debate, it's a minimum requirement to any modern society. In fact those are the very fundamentals for any system that can function through political debate.

Forget formations and tactics, we out-fought them throughout the 90 minutes. It's so good seeing a group of players so determined to win every single battle on the pitch. Thank you, Antonio!

Shame, Tibo really deserved that clean sheet.

Talk about icing on the cake! Second absolute world class goal in the same match!

We should be well out of sight if we play the right ball just 50% of the times.

If any one in the next month tries to tell that Hazard is not the best player in the league they're getting smacked in the head...

We need to get a second on the counter or Arsenal will eventually equalize.

Why, Diego. WHY?

Clear foul by Alonso but ask me if I fucking care!

HOW THE FUCK DID HE NOT GET A YELLOW FOR THAT??

Took the day of work to be able to watch this...let's put the gooners title hopes out of its misery!

Hmm, I think the 68 difference is probably the Pulse shooting, which again may be counted as jihadist or not depending on who's counting. Or we could try something a bit less obvious like battling antisemitism and preaching equality and tolerance.... That sounds like the title of the worst porno ever made! Free speech, like any other form of freedom, cannot be absolute. You can't have the right to walk into a crowded night club and yell "Fire" and watch people trample each other. That's a limitation on freedom of speech. So is libel, direct threats of violence..etc. The problem with having everything up for debate is that it ultimately boils down to the liberal notion of "market place of ideas" which just like the capitalist notion of "free market" ends up tilted in the favor of the fuckers with the most money and power. Both require first and foremost to funtion as theorized an informed 'consumer' which you cannot realistically have because of the advertisement industry and corporate owned media. That's not say that we should abandon debate and democracy. It just means that there are things, namely civil and human rights, that we cannot afford to leave up for debate. To give a practical example: Is the government and army in Myanmar right to ethnically cleans tens of thousands of minority Muslims in Rohinga because a majority of its citizens want them ethnically cleansed? If you believe that everything should be up for debate, including whether or not to ethnically cleanse regions, and you believe in democracy, then the Myanmar government is not only right but even has an obligation to fulfill the will of the majority of its people and continue to do what is threatening to become a full blown genocide against Rohinyans.

We were just talking about stats not necessarily giving the whole picture, and it's true here as well. Because I was reading just yesterday that if you include homicides as well, then only 0.3% of those killed are by Muslims even though Muslims are 1% of the population. I'll try to find the source for you, I think it was Pew or something...

All fair points, @Spike. Of course reality always resists simplicity but that should not mean that no one can ever be responsible for anything. I feel this is one of the main differences in views between us and that is comparing the two sides of the spectrum as if they are equal. I disagree because I think intent matters. The objective of Exxon is to maximize profits for its owners; the objective of leftist reporting hate crimes against minorities is to preserve rights. In the case of universities and rapes that is a pretty bad system that creates all the wrong incentives.

Yes, because vandalism and hate crimes against a group of people for whom they are are the exact same thing.... But forget that for a second, the two are not related and can be discussed separately. So why are you trying to change the subject from the record threats against Jewish centers when it was YOU who posted it in the first place? What do you make of it? Do you have an opinion on what we should do to prevent the extreme right from targeting Jewish people for their beliefs? Or was the intention of posting it just to hype up fear without getting into reasons and how it can be prevented? EDIT: Also, I know that English might not be your first language, but are you really this unable to form your own ideas regarding politics? I genuinely don't remember you ever making a coherent point without resorting either to some crazy 'prophecy' video or an article from some fringe website.