didierforever

november. so that means we should be starting our annual "winter slump".

but thats the point, TOMO. you cant look at a 1 year old stop gap signing in isolation specially when that signing has cost us a very good young player for about 10 years. i remember etoo being quite poor in his first 2 months. physically he was not up for PL, but then his link up play was a joy to watch. u r spot on about him and hazard. but why could not lukaku be given that time. the expectations were low, jose himself clarified that we are looking for top 4 then top 3 then maybe if all the stars align, we can win the league. also, i remember hazard and mata linking up as good as etoo and hazard, that was another case of good player chemistry being ruined. as for mata, it is more acceptable for a no.10 to be a defensive liability than for a CM to be a defensive liabilty. suppose mata was still our no.10, flanked by hazard and willian, this whole circus of salah, cuadrado, this and that, would not have happened. we definitely would not have bought cesc. someone better defensively, more athletic like rakitic or maybe schneiderlein or kondogbia. you can understand the fact that a team is playing 2 defensive midfielders to cover for mata and hazard's defensive liability. what i cant understand is playing cesc in the world of the park and expecting our no.10 to do the dirty work all day long. yes, mata had an average season, but there is no denying that mata as a CAM (he played most of the season as a RW and united played with rvp and/or falcao as their strikers), was always a joy to watch. was always a threat. another point is that mata in his 2 and a half years never played with a good DM, did he? he did not play a match with matic. he never had someone like costa to feed to. i honestly feel, costa hazard-mata-willian matic-schneiderlein/kondogbia would have been far better in attack as well as more balanced in defence than our current set up. lukaku did not need to be replaced. our striker options were so few that we needed to add on, not to replace someone. especially not a 20/21 year old kid who had scored 15+ goals in 2 seasons. sanchez is a world class player. sanchez sitting on the bench is criminal. i can completely understand him wanting to leave. he could literally start for any team except for the big 3 (barca - MSN, RM - BBC, bayern - lewa,robbery, muller). so i dont think that example fits here.

i dont "feel for them" at all. players like papy and baba were starters in their teams. they saw chelsea coming, and they happily took the chance to grab some money and "play" for a big club. what did they think was going to happen? jose would drop GC, JT and zouma to play papy? jose would drop azpi/iva to play baba when he did not do that for 13/14's best LB in the world? these players would definitely know what is going to happen and yet they sign for a big "club". that goes for the "youth signings" too. so these guys pretty much self destroy their careers.

First of all lets clarify the barca analogy.Barca replaced yaya with busquets who is the best DM in the world. Barca replaced ibra cos he was a nuisance and cos they had messi. Barca replaced sanchez with suarez. Each of those replacements was an upgrade. Unlike our scenario. The lukaku and mata pining is nothing new. Mata as a CAM is better than oscar. People were pining for that to happen even when mata was here and when mata was sold. There was always a question mark about oscar's creativity but most of us made peace with it cos we realised jose needed something different from his no.10. Fair enough. And then jose puts in cesc as a CM. Who defensively is the mata of CMs. So ofcours the analogies and comparisons are going to come to fore. Also, as for lukaku, TC was perfevtly divided on his sale. He was 21, he needed time. Time to settle in. Yes etoo performed better than him for 3 months but there is a reason why lukaku is leading everton right now. The way we handled lukaku was atrcious. He could have been our future. He probably should have been our future. I remember jose saying in the middle of his first season that we won't win the league and we had a lot of young eggs or that we were a baby horse etc etc. If he knew that, there was absolutely no need for a stop gap like etoo. Someone like lukaku should have been given the time to settle in chelsea. We should not have started schurrle at OT and we should not have bought in a well o ast his prime etoo. Etoo performed well, not saying otherwise, but in the long run, the signing of etoo was more harmful than useful.

no, the usa thing does not count but the charity shield counts as a trophy, does not. as does super cup or super copa etc etc. i am miles away from going to the match, but for me, it was a massive thing, simply cos arsenal was involved. and the general sentiment on this forum was that it was a massive thing. hence why i said what i said.

players are unhappy when they know that they are better than another or can do better than another but is not getting the chance to prove it. why would someone like mikel be unhappy or remy be unhappy or papy be unhappy. keep the checks coming, they will happy keep taking them kdb was not given a chance. and then he was complately frozen out for 4 months. it was a world cup year and obviously every player wants to play. that is where man-management comes to play. remember when SAF stopped CR from leaving a year earlier. sometimes you have to do whats right for the club. also, you cant have one set of rules for one group of players and another for another. lukaku was never coming back. and when i say "coming back", i mean it literally. we had ba and torres. and instead of giving lukaku a chance, jose goes and purchases a 33 year old playing in the russian league, etoo. and then, he starts schurrle ahead of lukaku at OT as a ST. another case of poor man-management. some players like zouma are happy to wait for there chances, others want things instantaneously. if we had costa/rooney in 13/14 i am sure lukaku would not i have mind staying and playing second fiddle. but a 2nd/3rd/4th fiddle to a torres and a 33 year old past it etoo and andre schurrle, nope. he made the right decision for his career. he is 22, banging them in for fun for everton while being the first striker. he is improving by the game and sooner rather than later, a big club, is going to buy him. lets hope its not a PL club. would be such a KDB-esque, kick in the backside.

yes, we would simply sell him.

it was not a friendly when a silverware was on the line. it was not a friendly when arsenal was involved, it only became a friendly, right after we lost. and dont get me wrong, i said the same exact words after the loss to ease the hurt of the loss "meh, just a friendly".

or maybe he needed to be trusted the way oscar was trusted by jose. i mean what challenges did oscar have to face? without any test/challenge oscar was named our no.1 no.10 ahead of mata and kdb, 2 players who are way better than him. i can only guess the kind of message that would send out to those players "i want oscar and i am sticking with him, no matter what you do. so shove it up your asses". sorry, but it cant always be the other person's fault. it was lukaku's fault, it was KDB's fault, it was mata's fault, it was bertrand's fault, it was luis's fault. maybe the fault is with JOSE, not with the rest of the world.

replacing schurrle with piazon is a step ahead. no doubt about it. but after that, everything went down south. from schurrle, a good goal scorer, we are down to traore who wont be starting PL/CL games unless, hazard, pedro, willian, remy all get injured. its a spot which is lost. the money spent here is massive. hence the massive mistake part. you are right with no one guessing how shit cuadrado would have been but thats the point of a manager doing things. schurrle had a poor 4 months. he was a brilliant super-sub was germany in the world cup and then had a tough time most of which was on the bench. we did not cut our losses, we made a bad decision. mata was poor under jose as a RW. the jose who wanted so much out of his no.10 that he sacrificed one of the most creative players in the world, and then puts in cesc the next season in the team as a CM. poor decision. salah was a poor buy. he was a typical chelsea buy. most of the fans on here were unhappy and i personally never left he had a chance in hell. i am willing to give pedro the time. but, was it worth 37mil pounds to let go off mata and then not being able to break down teams like norwich, aston villa and palace and then losing the league despite doing the double over both pool and city? not for me, not even close. and after selling mata, now we are down to cesc who is literally the only creative player and jose's hands are tied to have to play him every match. MASSIVE MISTAKE. RDM started bertrand in the CL final and after that, RDM barely had a chance for much squad rotation. rafa benitez played bertrand quite a lot and he was good every time he played. jose got an ashley cole who was pathetic. so it was jose's call on who to replace him with. a natural LB or a RB. jose chose azpi and in the long run, we have got screwed massively. now we are stuck with a 31 year old RB who is very poor, a RB who is playing as a LB and a 21 year old 21 million pounds LB who jose did not want (apparently). if every time a player wanted to leave, and the manager sold him, football will become a havoc. look at united. DDG wanted to leave to RM. united kept him. sometimes you have to do things for the better of the team. specially when you have just 6 defenders. how can you go into the season with 5 defenders and BABA who our manager deems not good enough to replace iva in this form. is luis left, its cos the manager let him. this is on jose. we let a 25 year old PL established left back go, bought the LB of the season but continued with a RB as a LB and then sold him and replaced him with a 21 year old LB worth 21 million pounds. sorry, a MASSIVE MISTAKE. when you break up with a GF, she does not earn 1million$ a year for your arch enemy, does she? the case is totally different than a break up. you dont have to see your GF giving the best blow job and having the best sex ever with your arch enemy every week. here, we have to. we have to watch kdb scoring goals and assisting like child's play while i dont even remember our last proper attacking goal. both goals against villa were lucky - own goal and guzan mistake, against porto - a freekick, against kiev - no goals, against soton - freekick. hell, when was the last game we scored a proper goal from attacking football? massive massive massive mistake. lukaku did not want the competition after being judged by our manager to be not good enough to be able to lead the line despite having options like ba and torres. he went out to buy a 33 year old etoo. sorry, any self respecting player would have done what lukaku did. if we had bought rooney (like we wanted) and then lukaku left, i would have said, it was not jose's fault, it was lukaku's. buying etoo was a foolish thing to do. if jose can give oscar the time and place over mata as a no.10, i dont know why not lukaku. and whats worse is that even the time lukaku was here, he was not given a start, was he? andre schurrle was preferred as a ST against united at OT instead of lukaku. sorry, jose's mistake. falcao might not be expensive, but i would rather have an expensive player like benteke who can cover well for costa when he is in the kind of rut he currently is in. yes, we have not spent much on the striker positions considering lukaku and ba sales, but what good has it done to us? would u like the current situation or buying a 30mil benteke/lacazette. i know which one i would like. long term wise, cesc is going to be a killer. if the midfield got over-run with lampard, it gets raped with cesc. its not upgrade. its a nothing. we sold mata cos he could not do a defensive job and yet we bought the king of shit defensive CM. someone who cant put in a defensive shift to save his life? with him in the midfield, our mid will be over-run match after match be it against the likes of villa or newcastle. we have next to no chance for CL success (barca could not win a CL with cesc in 3 years and yet the 4 years without him they have won 3 CLs). RVP did a job for united in one year, but i would never classify him as a good buy. he hampered united. he hampered the development of chicha, welbeck and gave them 2 years of mediocrity. whats worse is that with cesc, we actually had better options. poor decision by jose. and even poorer decision to keep on playing him. remy has been a good signing. as was BA for the money. remy has scored 10 goals and 3 assists in 1289 minutes at 100 minutes/goalandassist, ba had 14 goals and 5 assists in 2268 minutes at 119 minutes/goalandassist. and some of the goals ba has scored (psg, manu*2) have been really important. a lot of remy's goals have been in an already won position. so i honestly dont see a very good buy/replacement in this case. the improvement is clear cos we had one of the worst squads in 12-13. the club was in a disarray. we had brought in a bunch of players (mata, hazard, oscar, moses, marin, azpi, GC) who were there in the club for 1 or less years. along with that we had talents like kdb on loan. you talk about players like kenedy/traore/musonda, how is their situation different from kdb's. u said salah was a talent, and maybe, he is. how is their situtation different from salah's? jose's policy wont change. and his transfer dealings have been poor. yes, i know hindsight is 20/20 but some of the mistake - kdb, lukaku, mata, bertrand, were so obviously a mistake that it hurts. and our recent results just put salt over those hurts.

so malouda the reserve player who should barely even be counted as a chelsea player and had a grand total of 0 minutes played in the whole season (12-13) is similar on traits to schurrle? ok, so we replaced sheva with falcao?

dont forget community shield. if we had won the that atleast we would have had the satisfaction of fucking arsenal twice already.

huh? what? i mean our 6 AMs for 2012-13 were hazard-mata-oscar with marin, moses, yossi/piazon. our 6AMs for 13/14 were hazard-mata-oscar with willian, schurrle, kdb. where the holy shit does malouda even come into picture? meh, dude, forget it. i mean seriously, u will be better off debating why goats were cows.

there is more than one way to "replace" a player. you are going by day mapping. i am going through the squad roles and the similarity in traits. 2013/14 - torres (main striker/2nd striker), etoo (short gap), ba (3rd striker) 2014/15 - costa (main striker), DD (short gap), remy (2nd/3rd striker) 2015/16 - costa(main striker), falcao (short gap), remy (2nd/3rd striker). a replacement is more on the traits than simply by the date at which they are bought and hence the comparison between remy and ba. on the whole, when jose came here we had lukaku, torres, ba as our options, currently we have costa, falcao, remy. lukaku is going to bite us in the ass just like KDB did, ba and remy are very much similar so are falcao and torres. hence why i said, costa was the only deal in strikers which can be classified as a "good deal". get the gist?

considering the fact that it was the single biggest fuck up in the last 5 years and the fact that most of the people on here knew exactly how good KDB was and the fact that most of the fans who have just "superficial" knowledge compared to our manager, could see that kdb was way better than oscar and on a different level, what do u expect the fans to do?

what? we had 3 strikers. torres, etoo and ba. ba was the definite 3rd striker. etoo was the short term, fill the gap solution. torres was our 1st/2nd striker. DD replaced etoo as the short term solution, remy as the cheap option 3rd striker (exact to BA) and costa as the no.1. so please stop trying to deduce things which most of the people already know. cesc is a MASSIVE MISTAKE. he is the definition of a mistake. just like RVP. brought in to do a job in a year. and now nothing but a liability. we could have got rakitic, instead we got cesc. and now we are getting screwed again and again and again. just like united did with RVP. so yes, he is a MASSIVE MISTAKE. sorry, but i am not going to take life lessons on TC. if you have a problem, stop quoting me, cos i did not quote you. or you can report me and let the mods decide if i did something wrong.

talk about going around in circles. and since you have nothing new to come up with, just like in the mourinho thread on RLC, well, all i can say is, for a discusiion to be respectful, there have to be 2 people to make it disrespectful. some guy telling zolayes to "think before you talk" or something around that lines, is disrespectful. or even when i pointed out about malouda, saying "i think u need to do your research" is as disrespectful. and its no surprise that its the same guy. and like i have already pointed it out to you before, u like to make statements, instead of actually trying to prove them. tell me how my list is twisted?

i did not start this. go to the page before and read it. also, if you dont want to take part in a discussion, there is always the option of ignoring it. and since there is no name calling, i dont get the point of people intruding who dont want to take part in the discussion. as for more better dealings than wrong ones jose transfers dealing since he came here compared to 2012/13 squad which was one of the worst chelsea squads in the roman era. moses -> willian (brilliant) marin -> KDB ->brown?-> kenedy (MASSIVE MISTAKE) piazon -> schurrle -> cuadrado -> traore (LOL, MASSIVE MISTAKE considering the money involved) mata -> salah -> pedro (jury is out on pedro but considering the loss of creativity in the squad, MASSIVE MISTAKE) lukaku -> etoo -> drogba -> falcao (another MASSIVE MISTAKE) luiz -> zouma (decent dealing) paulo ferreira -> x,y,z youth player (no output) bertrand -> luis -> baba (MASSIVE MISTAKE) lampard -> cesc (given the midfielders available, and the massive liability that cesc is, MASSIVE MISTAKE) romeu -> matic (the best dealing without a shred of doubt) ba -> remy (quite the same) torres -> costa (anyone would have been an upgrade. but one of his best dealings after willian and matic) so at max, 3 deals which can be termed as good and above, 3 changes which were average and 6 MASSIVE MISTAKES. not hard to see how poor his dealings have been

no u did not just list the outgoing and incomings. you intentionally, mapped an outgoing to an incoming for a similar position to show what kind of business jose has done. and kudos to neville, to toot our horn when we were winning. but as a fan, we all know what are problems are. 6 defenders which include a 21 year old baba rahman who jose clearly does not trust. no decent replacement for matic our best B2B player is rambo who cant pass the ball to save his life. our best "creator" is cesc, whose last assist was god knows when. our best no.10 is oscar who has consistency issues as well as still a big question mark about his talent. and we kept him and sold mata and kdb instead. so fans are always going to question that judgment. we have 4 AMs. our 5th and 6th AM are kenedy and traore who are not going to start a PL/CL game despite 3 out of 4 of our AMs being poor. we dont have half a decent back up to costa. so IF, jose's transfer dealings were even "good" we would not find ourselves in such a situation. our squad is thin, overly reliant on the likes of hazard in attack and matic in defence/balance. so the answer is that jose's transfer dealings have been POOR.

what? not at all. if you go through my first post, i specifically, specified, that we "replaced" piazon, a player that we still have with a certain player. it is infact YOU, who has simply mapped all the outgoings with the incomings to somehow say that our transfers by jose have been good. if not, then why did you even include malouda, a player who did not play a single minute of football for us in 12-13.

is there a reserves match? maybe he can play in that

who left and who was signed in the same window... and talk about twisting the truth. affane -> mvg, right?

read the line written by lucio. and fine, i was "wrong". malouda went in 2013. now explain how schurrle replaced malouda. comeon, go ahead. i would love to hear how malouda, a reserve player for a year, got replaced by a 18mil pound schurrle. and how convenient not read thru the rest of my post. by the way, is KDB still shit?

LOL, oh dear... http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/season=2013/clubs/club=52914/squad/index.html he was not in our europa league squad or CL squad or PL squad since JAN. so, jose now replaced a reserve player by a 18million schurrle? a player who played a grand total of (u guessed it right), 0 minutes for CFC in the 2012-13 season. and yet could not win the league an infact went trophyless. SHAME... jose transfers dealing since he came here compared to 2012/13 squad which was one of the worst chelsea squads in the roman era. moses -> willian (brilliant) marin -> KDB ->brown?-> kenedy (MASSIVE MISTAKE) piazon -> schurrle -> cuadrado -> traore (LOL, MASSIVE MISTAKE considering the money involved) mata -> salah -> pedro (jury is out on pedro but considering the loss of creativity in the squad, MASSIVE MISTAKE) lukaku -> etoo -> drogba -> falcao (another MASSIVE MISTAKE) luiz -> zouma (decent dealing) paulo ferreira -> x,y,z youth player (no output) bertrand -> luis -> baba (MASSIVE MISTAKE) lampard -> cesc (given the midfielders available, and the massive liability that cesc is, MASSIVE MISTAKE) romeu -> matic (the best dealing without a shred of doubt) ba -> remy (quite the same) torres -> costa (anyone would have been an upgrade. but one of his best dealings after willian and matic) so at max, 3 deals which can be termed as good and above, 3 changes which were average and 6 MASSIVE MISTAKES. not hard to see how poor his dealings have been

i stopped reading at "malouda out". he was out in 2012. jose came to chelsea in 2013. but keep it up.