The thing is..even the "he tries" argument is flawed as I've had the same discussion on a couple of boards about the Greek team that I support. To cut a long story short, the least you expect from a player who plays for the club you love is determination and commitment. However when a player tries and IMO consistently fails you shouldn't and won't blame him, all the blame should be laid on the people who brought him to the club and in our case also those who extended his contract. Notice how I didn't bring other players' (current) commitment or ability into the discussion as : It is irrelevant to our opinion of a player who has been here for 4-5 yearsI personally don't agree with your view (surprise surprise ) that our players aren't trying at the moment. That's the simplistic way of looking at things and I think I've tried numerous times to break his so-called good statistics down.That's like saying that we won the league only due to scoring 103 goals (disregarding that 29 of them came in just 4 games) and ignoring our tremendous home record and our double against the traditional top 4