French plane opens fire in Lybia

[Milan 17,853]

A French plane has fired the first shots in Libya as enforcement of the UN-mandated no-fly zone begins. The target was a military vehicle, the French defence ministry said.

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Is this the start of something bigger?

[LDN Blue 7,903]

Iraq x2

[Kojo 4,676]

Uh oh, had a bit of a feeling this would become a lot bigger.

[chelsea blue 615]

The UK, the US and France have begun attacking Libya as enforcement of the UN-mandated no-fly zone gets under way.

More than 110 missiles have been fired by the UK and US, officials at the Pentagon say.

Here we go again

[Steve 10,227]

This seems like its going to blow out into something really bad

[LDN Blue 7,903]

How many more innocent people will we allow to die for OIL?!

The act is so mundane now it's ridiculous. Don't fool yourselves into thinking this is for the people of Libya. This all about oil & it's price. Iraq & Libya are identical. They use their secretly endorsed satellite-dictator as an excuse to invade. 8 years since they went into Iraq & look at it now. I fear for what Libya will go through in the next 8-years.

[spuz 143]

French?? Now that is a shock. Switzerland will join in next.

[BluesChick 1,260]

Great another unwinnable campaign I'll keep praying for our soldiers (all of ours)!

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Is it any wonder the west is hated in muslim countries? Is it any wonder there are terrorist organisations fighting us? Another greedy corrupt war.

Shame on you Obama & Cameron.

[Rubber bullets 1,183]

This was always going to be a lose - lose situation for Western nations and leaders, damned if you do damned if you don't in every case.

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Pretty good summary of the situation,

Libya, Yemen, Bahrain and Israel = selective enforcement of justice.

[BlueLion. 21,491]

World War 4.

[Rubber bullets 1,183]

Pretty good summary of the situation,

Libya, Yemen, Bahrain and Israel = selective enforcement of justice.

Bahrain and Yemen are much more complicated situations then people in this country think. With Bahrain its much more complicated then Tunisia and Egypt; having a clear consensus of people from all creeds and beliefs coming together for democratic change. Instead Bahrain has much more deeper religious tensions between the Sunni and Shia muslim groups, so intervening could become incredibly messy especially if Iran decides to join in. Unfortunatly with Yemen there is some evidence that groups of protestors have Al-qaeda links, so unfortunatly many will take a "the enemy of the enemy is my friend" approach.

The biggest thing that is going with Libya and the reason why the No-fly zone is being implemented is that the Arab league gave its full support to it. I can't see them doing the same to the other two due to the religious and poltical tensions that are rooted deep in that area.

Anyway, I can't help but think cynically that some of the people who are either complaining that we should not bother with Libyan matters or claiming that we only care about their resources would be throwing their arms out in disgust if no one did anything and allowed Gadaffi to crush and destroy anyone who went against him.

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Bahrain and Yemen are much more complicated situations then people in this country think. With Bahrain its much more complicated then Tunisia and Egypt; having a clear consensus of people from all creeds and beliefs coming together for democratic change. Instead Bahrain has much more deeper religious tensions between the Sunni and Shia muslim groups, so intervening could become incredibly messy especially if Iran decides to join in. Unfortunatly with Yemen there is some evidence that groups of protestors have Al-qaeda links, so unfortunatly many will take a "the enemy of the enemy is my friend" approach.

The biggest thing that is going with Libya and the reason why the No-fly zone is being implemented is that the Arab league gave its full support to it. I can't see them doing the same to the other two due to the religious and poltical tensions that are rooted deep in that area.

Anyway, I can't help but think cynically that some of the people who are either complaining that we should not bother with Libyan matters or claiming that we only care about their resources would be throwing their arms out in disgust if no one did anything and allowed Gadaffi to crush and destroy anyone who went against him.

I assure you that I would not be one of them, only thing that stops us going into Bahrain & Yemen is that there are already puppet regimes in place.

Don't fall for that bullshit, 'Gadaffi is killing civilians'. The US and UK are killing civilians every week, so are Saudi Arabia, Israel etc.

This is about money, oil and control, again.

[Rubber bullets 1,183]

I assure you that I would not be one of them, only thing that stops us going into Bahrain & Yemen is that there are already puppet regimes in place.

Don't fall for that bullshit, 'Gadaffi is killing civilians'. The US and UK kill civilians every week, so are Saudi Arabia, Israel etc.

This is about money, oil and control, again.

World politics is a very complicated nd ufortunatly is not a case of "good guys on one side and the bad guys in the other". Every country in the world will do something that is for their interest and countires and leaders have to deal hands with people they would rather not.

The only reason the no fly zone was implemented was that has backing from the Arab league and according to the UN their is sufficent evidence that Gadaffi is commiting crimes against humanity. Last time I checked the USA and Uk are not openly slaughtering their own people for having a diiferent pollitical opinions.

If people are going to compare this to other conflicts then Iraq is not the best comparison. Libya seems to be more like Kosovo in terms of UN response and the types of war crimes that have been committed.

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World politics is a very complicated nd ufortunatly is not a case of "good guys on one side and the bad guys in the other". Every country in the world will do something that is for their interest and countires and leaders have to deal hands with people they would rather not.

The only reason the no fly zone was implemented was that has backing from the Arab league and according to the UN their is sufficent evidence that Gadaffi is commiting crimes against humanity. Last time I checked the USA and Uk are not openly slaughtering their own people for having a diiferent pollitical opinions.

Lmao, like when there was sufficient evidence that Saddam was building enough WMD's to send us all to the moon.

No you're right we don't slaughter our own people, just the people of other countries.

[Rubber bullets 1,183]

Lmao, like when there was sufficient evidence that Saddam was building enough WMD's to send us all to the moon.

No you're right we don't slaughter our own people, just the people of other countries.

Well its visually obvious what Gadaffi is doing unlike intelligence reports which state words like may and might. It is obvious what he is doing, but the death toll will go up if we did or did not do anything. Unfortuantly that is the harsh realities of military but dont kid yourself that if Gaddafi were to stop the uprising that he would just leave it like that. Unfortuantly he would commit mass killings and crush many in the east for going against his authority.

In truth I would much prefer the Arab league deal with Libya and other problems in the middle east themselves, if they want to prove themselves as a sufficient international organisation. Unfortunatly they are pretty useless and cant do anything without external help - such is the shame.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

World politics is a very complicated nd ufortunatly is not a case of "good guys on one side and the bad guys in the other". Every country in the world will do something that is for their interest and countires and leaders have to deal hands with people they would rather not.

The only reason the no fly zone was implemented was that has backing from the Arab league and according to the UN their is sufficent evidence that Gadaffi is commiting crimes against humanity.

The UN is just as useless as American intervention. They have a track record of screwing things up in any hostile country they go, Rwanda & Somalia come to mind. Their ill-thought sanctions in Iraq led to mass famine, many children died because of sanctions which prevented medical supplies entering! Don't get me started on the stupid food-for-oil plan either.

Last time I checked the USA and Uk are not openly slaughtering their own people for having a diiferent pollitical opinions.

If people are going to compare this to other conflicts then Iraq is not the best comparison. Libya seems to be more like Kosovo in terms of UN response and the types of war crimes that have been committed.

No. They just kill others who oppose their capitalist views. Look it up, since 1945 the US has attempted to overthrow over 50 foreign governments. South America has suffered tremendously under American intervention because they didn't comply with their agenda. El Salvador, Columbia, Cuba, Venezuela, Brazil, Cambodia.. & the list goes on