Callum Hudson-Odoi

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Byern are a diagrace. They quite blaintantly bully the other clubs within that tinpot League they play in. 

Trying to claim any different is a complete embarrassment.

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16 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Finally, it is ludicrous to toss out Robert Green, Danny Drinkwater, Olivier Giroud, and Willy Caballero as examples of us pulling Bayern style bully tactics!

They are all SHIT players who hardly took strong-arming. Especially at the insane price we paid for Donkeywater.

Do you know what bully tactics is? It's the tactics the Premier League clubs adopted towards the Bundesliga since you got that bumper TV deal. The Premier League nowadays has a super high percentage of players (and coaches!) coming from the Bundesliga. When you see a club like arsenal lining up with Sokratis Papastathopoulos, Henrikh Mkhitaryan, Mesut Özil, Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang, Bernd Leno, Shkodran Mustafi and Granit Xhaka, all former Bundesliga players...

Or how about Manchester City with Gundogan, De Bruyne, Sane and Pep Guardiola?

Or Liverpool with Matip, Keita, Shaqiri, Firmino and Klopp who all had Bundesliga experience?

Face it:
Fact 1: the Bundesliga players represent good value for money. YOU (English teams) should know this.
Fact 2: EVERYBODY buys players from his own country, it makes sense because you know they've already adapted to the league.

Now, tell me, how exactly is what Bayern do bullying?

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12 minutes ago, DDA said:

Byern are a diagrace. They quite blaintantly bully the other clubs within that tinpot League they play in. 

Trying to claim any different is a complete embarrassment.

So do Premier League clubs, as described in my previous post. Bayern are actually helping the league by retaining talent that would have otherwise moved to the Premier League and joined the rest of the 140 or so former Bundesliga players now plying their trade in England or Spain  Unless, of course, you are naive enough to think Lewandowski would have snubbed Real Madrid's offer had Bayern not nipped in, or that Goretzka would have snubbed the Liverpool and Barcelona offers he had if Bayern hadn't submitted theirs. I can mention others too if you want, like how Man Utd wanted to sign Hummels but he decided to come back to Bayern, the club of which he is a youth product and that gave him Bundesliga experience.

The reality is that Bundesliga teams (excluding Bayern) are losing their talent all the time and they can't help it. Bayern are the club that's helping the league retain quality.

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7 minutes ago, MUTU said:

Fact 2: EVERYBODY buys players from his own country,

We Dont!

And I dont think we should be made to just to keep the national team fed and happy. I support Chelsea and not England,

Nice to see opinions from other teams.

Ive not talked to anyone from Bayern since we visited you in 2012.

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46 minutes ago, MUTU said:

Hi,

Bayern fan here. First off, I have a question for you... what convinces you from his limited play-time that he's worth (more than) the €39M that's being touted? Personally I see it as a high-risk transfer for Bayern.

 

I think it is a high-risk transfer for Bayern.  High-risk but high-reward as well.  If you really want to know why they don't think the cost proposed is enough just look at Sancho and KDB.  KDB we thought we got good money for at the time and then look at his cost a year or two later.  The same applies to Sancho as far as cost last year, having one good year, and boom, look at his cost now.  Mostly it's his potential and pre-season performances as well as Sancho's performance that make people think the cost is not enough.  You also can't rule out the fact that's he's homegrown from our academy and been with the club since he was 7 years old.  That's worth a lot to supporters here and why they don't want to give him up easily.  They also see that in the next year or so spots are going to be opening up on the wings and it's a perfect opportunity for him to stake a first team place just as it looks like possibly happening at Bayern, although I think Bayern have more younger options then we do at the moment to replace their aging wingers.  

[11Drogba 2,000]

12 minutes ago, MUTU said:

that bumper TV deal.

Well if Bayern didn't bully other Bundesliga teams more people in other countries would watch that league. You should blame your club for making Bundesliga boring by stealing players from other German teams.

You guys got Gotze, Lewa and Hummels from Dortmund. You got some nerve saying you don't bully other German teams.

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1 minute ago, Unionjack said:

We Dont!

And I dont think we should be made to just to keep the national team fed and happy. I support Chelsea and not England,

Nice to see opinions from other teams.

Ive not talked to anyone from Bayern since we visited you in 2012.

Yes you do. If you look above I mentioned SIX players that you signed from Premier League clubs since summer 2017.

Thanks for the reminder about 2012  You stole our cup! Our 'mini-revenge' of the Super Cup in 2013 was so small in comparison.

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1 minute ago, MUTU said:

Yes you do. If you look above I mentioned SIX players that you signed from Premier League clubs since summer 2017.

Thanks for the reminder about 2012  You stole our cup! Our 'mini-revenge' of the Super Cup in 2013 was so small in comparison.

Sorry - crossed lines. Thought you meant ENGLISH players.

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13 minutes ago, 11Drogba said:

Well if Bayern didn't bully other Bundesliga teams more people in other countries would watch that league. You should blame your club for making Bundesliga boring by stealing players from other German teams.

You guys got Gotze, Lewa and Hummels from Dortmund. You got some nerve saying you don't bully other German teams.

Please before accusing at least do yourself the favour of doing some research.

1) We gave Goetze back to Borussia Dortmund (they made a profit)
2) Lewandowski didn't want to renew his contract at all so we took nothing from Borussia Dortmund. He could have ended in any other top club's team as everybody wanted him.
3) The fact that we took Hummels from Dortmund is testament that Dortmund take players from us. Hummels is a Bayern youth product. We made him a professional. If CHO signs for Manchester City tomorrow and you sign him back a few years later, how would it feel being accused of 'stealing' off your rivals?
4) What about Sebastian Rode who Borussia Dortmund signed from us? Guess it's 3-3, or more like 3-2 because you really cannot say we took Lewandowski from BVB.

 

Bayern are amongst the Bundesliga clubs who buy fewest players from other Bundesliga clubs, and you can rest assured that most if not all would have gone to a foreign club in the same transfer window had Bayern not bought them.

 

Also, since 2016, we got Hummels (a Bayern youth product) back, and sold Goetze and Rode to Borussia Dortmund while you guys took Kante and Drinkwater from Leicester, a new rival.  Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

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LOL @ A Byern Fan coming in here trying to persuade us that they don't bully the other clubs in their league. 

Any other club and I would be showing a sporting respect like we do towards the Napoli and Juventus fans who come here but this Byern mob are a disgrace to football. 

That's why beating you in the CL final was akin to watching my Mrs giving birth to my first born. 

A glorious moment.

[11Drogba 2,000]

Just now, MUTU said:

Please before accusing at least do yourself the favour of doing some research.

1) We gave Goetze back to Borussia Dortmund (they made a profit)
2) Lewandowski didn't want to renew his contract at all so we took nothing from Borussia Dortmund. He could have ended in any other top club's team as everybody wanted him.
3) The fact that we took Hummels from Dortmund is testament that Dortmund take players from us. Hummels is a Bayern youth product. We made him a professional. If CHO signs for Manchester City tomorrow and you sign him back a few years later, how would it feel being accused of 'stealing' off your rivals?
4) What about Sebastian Rode who Borussia Dortmund signed from us? Guess it's 3-3, or more like 3-2 because you really cannot say we took Lewandowski from BVB.

 

You are embarrassing yourself now.

You can go on with your bs, but no one is buying it.

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2 minutes ago, 11Drogba said:

You are embarrassing yourself now.

You can go on with your bs, but no one is buying it.

Actually, you replied to my post that's talking about absolute hard facts, while you're passing on an opinion which I strongly regard as misinformed. If there's anyone talking bs, it certainly wasn't me.

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19 minutes ago, MUTU said:

Do you know what bully tactics is? It's the tactics the Premier League clubs adopted towards the Bundesliga since you got that bumper TV deal. The Premier League nowadays has a super high percentage of players (and coaches!) coming from the Bundesliga. When you see a club like arsenal lining up with Sokratis Papastathopoulos, Henrikh Mkhitaryan, Mesut Özil, Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang, Bernd Leno, Shkodran Mustafi and Granit Xhaka, all former Bundesliga players...

Or how about Manchester City with Gundogan, De Bruyne, Sane and Pep Guardiola?

Or Liverpool with Matip, Keita, Shaqiri, Firmino and Klopp who all had Bundesliga experience?

Face it:
Fact 1: the Bundesliga players represent good value for money. YOU (English teams) should know this.
Fact 2: EVERYBODY buys players from his own country, it makes sense because you know they've already adapted to the league.

Now, tell me, how exactly is what Bayern do bullying?

If you have to rely on Robert Green and Willie Caballero as evidence of us running roughshod over the EPL, you have a priori lost the debate. Those are truly ludicrous examples.

Bayern Munich’s hegemony limits the Bundesliga

https://www.itsroundanditswhite.co.uk/articles/bayern-munich-hegemony-limits-bundesliga

15 players Bayern Munich poached from their Bundesliga rivals

https://www.squawka.com/en/news/xi-players-bayern-munich-poached-from-their-bundesliga-rivals/655086

 

Bayern Munich's dominance in Germany shows how greed can wreck football

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2818041/MARTIN-SAMUEL-Bayern-Munich-s-dominance-Germany-shows-greed-wreck-football.html

 

Jose Mourinho: Buying to 'kill' rivals is finished in Prem - 'This is not Germany'

http://www.espn.com/soccer/manchester-united/story/3054364/jose-mourinho-buying-to-kill-rivals-is-finished-in-prem-this-is-not-germany

 

Why Manchester City FFP critic Karl Heinz Rummenigge is a playground bully

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/manchester-city-rummenigge-fair-play-10444524

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6 minutes ago, DDA said:

LOL @ A Byern Fan coming in here trying to persuade us that they don't bully the other clubs in their league. 

Any other club and I would be showing a sporting respect like we do towards the Napoli and Juventus fans who come here but this Byern mob are a disgrace to football. 

That's why beating you in the CL final was akin to watching my Mrs giving birth to my first born. 

A glorious moment.

Wait, are you saying that Chelsea, Napoli and Juventus do not regularly buy players from their own league?

Since summer 2016 we sold 2 players to Borussia Dortmund and signed back our youth product Hummels while you killed up-and-coming Leicester City signing their star player Kante and their less-important player Drinkwater. Seriously thinking what Bayern doing is anything special shows extreme prejudice which you then fully confirm with the continuation of comparing beating us to your first born. Hope you didn't name your son Didier!

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3 minutes ago, Vesper said:

If you have to rely on Robert Green and Willie Caballero as evidence of us running roughshod over the EPL, you have a priori lost the debate. Those are truly ludicrous examples.

Bayern Munich’s hegemony limits the Bundesliga

https://www.itsroundanditswhite.co.uk/articles/bayern-munich-hegemony-limits-bundesliga

15 players Bayern Munich poached from their Bundesliga rivals

https://www.squawka.com/en/news/xi-players-bayern-munich-poached-from-their-bundesliga-rivals/655086

 

Bayern Munich's dominance in Germany shows how greed can wreck football

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2818041/MARTIN-SAMUEL-Bayern-Munich-s-dominance-Germany-shows-greed-wreck-football.html

 

Jose Mourinho: Buying to 'kill' rivals is finished in Prem - 'This is not Germany'

http://www.espn.com/soccer/manchester-united/story/3054364/jose-mourinho-buying-to-kill-rivals-is-finished-in-prem-this-is-not-germany

 

Why Manchester City FFP critic Karl Heinz Rummenigge is a playground bully

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/manchester-city-rummenigge-fair-play-10444524

Hey I never said this line of thinking isn't commonplace or the consensus. It's a theory that has been rehashed over and over again with people not really delving to explore.

Doesn't mean it's correct.

Far from it.

Go do your own research, go on. Count how many Borussia Dortmund players came from other Bundesliga clubs. Then do the same exercise with Bayern. If you want to have fun, do the same exercise with Manchester United and English teams. Or how about Barcelona, didn't they sign like 6 Valencia players? If you can't accept that big fish eat smaller fish, then you have a lot to learn in life other than pointing fingers.