🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Callum Hudson-Odoi

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Just now, Vesper said:

one big problem with that is IF Bayern have perma turned his head, no club will buy him from us

he will not agree to new contract with club x y or zed

so they would be buying a 1 year player

Perhaps you should read into how Juventus got Vidal. He had a gentleman's agreement on the contract details, was about to sign and at the 11th hour Juventus snapped him up. A contract is valid only when it's signed. A signed contract at this time WOULD be illegal.

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9 minutes ago, MUTU said:

Yes, if I was CHO, I'd really accept a buy back clause from a club that's threatening me with "wreaking my career and sitting me on the bench for 1.5 years".

Bayern would never accept that. Or anyone else for that matter. Of course this is what you want, but you might as well just say 'no'. It makes zero sense for the buying club to invest so much money in a mostly-unproven youngster, only to know that if he's a success the previous club can just claim him back, unless the buy-back clause is well above the buying price.

wel i am not the club you blockhead. 

this is an unofficial forum in case you have not noticed.

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1 minute ago, kc_blue said:

I don't think 3 is really an option.  Bayern may want him now but they aren't just going to sit by and not add players on the wing for a season waiting on CHO.  Especially with Robben and Ribbery leaving after this season.  Think the only option for Bayern is a move this summer and I outlined earlier why I think that's the best value for them.

Well news of today say that Bayern will try to get a 'top star' winger, along with Coman, Gnabry, Davies and possibly CHO... then we have some promising youngsters of our own coming through as well, notably Batista-Meier and Jeong.

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3 minutes ago, Vesper said:

one big problem with that is IF Bayern have perma turned his head, no club will buy him from us

he will not agree to new contract with club x y or zed

so they would be buying a 1 year player

 

That's possible, but I still think it's worth the risk in the long run.  Besides the chance to get others involved in bidding for him, frankly we need him the rest of this season and if he helps us insure a top 4 finish it will be worth more then money we'd lose if we can't get anyone else to bid for him.

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NO player is bigger than the club

he is being a pure cunt

I absolutely say shut him down

we are headed into super bad territory with this one

I see little to no point to having an academy IF

this CHO action causes same thing with whats left of our top prospects

watch Bayern or others come for Reece James, etc etc

soon we will be one giant Southampton at youth level

I dont think most realise the horrific impact this is probably going to have long term

CHO needs to be made an example of

 

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1 minute ago, Magic Lamps said:

wel i am not the club you blockhead. 

this is an unofficial forum in case you have not noticed.

Of course you aren't, otherwise you'd long have ceased to exist with your attitude and insults. Maybe I have problems reading but I thought you clearly was laying out a plan for how the club should act, and I simply gave you my view on how CHO would view your plan.

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1 minute ago, MUTU said:

Well news of today say that Bayern will try to get a 'top star' winger, along with Coman, Gnabry, Davies and possibly CHO... then we have some promising youngsters of our own coming through as well, notably Batista-Meier and Jeong.

 

This is what I mean why I don't see option 3 as really an option.  At that point in time he'll have way more competition for a spot at Bayern then he would here.  The only time it makes sense for him is this summer with Ribbery and Robben gone and gamble that he can get ahead of Coman, Gnabry and Davies.

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1 minute ago, kc_blue said:

I don't think 3 is really an option.  Bayern may want him now but they aren't just going to sit by and not add players on the wing for a season waiting on CHO.  Especially with Robben and Ribbery leaving after this season.  Think the only option for Bayern is a move this summer and I outlined earlier why I think that's the best value for them.

I'm thinking that this is the best choice.  No one is talking about stalling his career for 18 months or trying to ruin him.  We don't keep players who don't want to be here, but we also don't let players leave in the middle of the season when we are shorthanded (see Diego Costa 2 winters ago).  If he wants to leave, and doesn't want to sign a new contract, okay, we have to let him go in the summer.  If he wants to leave now, we need a replacement, and he'll have to wait.  Even Cesc has to wait, and he's already said his good-byes to his team mates.  

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4 minutes ago, MUTU said:

Perhaps you should read into how Juventus got Vidal. He had a gentleman's agreement on the contract details, was about to sign and at the 11th hour Juventus snapped him up. A contract is valid only when it's signed. A signed contract at this time WOULD be illegal.

we do NOT care about your guilty conscience

go bark up another tree

you lot are a bunch of sir tap-a-lots

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1 minute ago, MUTU said:

Of course you aren't, otherwise you'd long have ceased to exist with your attitude and insults. Maybe I have problems reading but I thought you clearly was laying out a plan for how the club should act, and I simply gave you my view on how CHO would view your plan.

First,you should learn how to conjugate.

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1 minute ago, kc_blue said:

This is what I mean why I don't see option 3 as really an option.  At that point in time he'll have way more competition for a spot at Bayern then he would here.  The only time it makes sense for him is this summer with Ribbery and Robben gone and gamble that he can get ahead of Coman, Gnabry and Davies.

That's why I said option 3 doesn't make sense for CHO. Option 3 realistically gets Bayern a backup player for free, nothing more nothing less. Options 1 and 2 are the ones that best help CHO fulfill his potential. Plus let's forget he's just 18... he needs to settle his future now, not in 6 months time or 1.5 years time.

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5 minutes ago, Sideshow Luiz said:

I'm thinking that this is the best choice.  No one is talking about stalling his career for 18 months or trying to ruin him.  We don't keep players who don't want to be here, but we also don't let players leave in the middle of the season when we are shorthanded (see Diego Costa 2 winters ago).  If he wants to leave, and doesn't want to sign a new contract, okay, we have to let him go in the summer.  If he wants to leave now, we need a replacement, and he'll have to wait.  Even Cesc has to wait, and he's already said his good-byes to his team mates.  

The only way I see a summer move working is that the contract, signed now, would stipulate minimum playing time requirements for CHO, which if not satisfies results in Chelsea having to pay up. You get him till the end of the season while CHO and Bayern can rest in the knowledge that Chelsea won't simply let him rot.

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1 minute ago, MUTU said:

That's why I said option 3 doesn't make sense for CHO. Option 3 realistically gets Bayern a backup player for free, nothing more nothing less. Options 1 and 2 are the ones that best help CHO fulfill his potential. Plus let's forget he's just 18... he needs to settle his future now, not in 6 months time or 1.5 years time.

Well, you waited for Lewandowski and Lewandowski waited for you for 18 months, why is it different now?

Regardless if Bayern or CHO like it, he's needed right now and he plays for us.  There are a number of things that I personally would like, right now.  But, it doesn't work that way.  Lots of players would like a move that they can't have right now, I don't see why CHO is an exception to that.  We want Pulisic.  Pulisic wants us.  But, Dortmund need him right now, so he's staying there for the next 6 months.

If he really wants Bayern, and Bayern really want him, what's another 6 months for both parties.

 

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5 minutes ago, MUTU said:

That's why I said option 3 doesn't make sense for CHO. Option 3 realistically gets Bayern a backup player for free, nothing more nothing less. Options 1 and 2 are the ones that best help CHO fulfill his potential. Plus let's forget he's just 18... he needs to settle his future now, not in 6 months time or 1.5 years time.

Agreed that option 3 makes no sense.  In my mind there's 3 options. 

1. he stays here and signs a new contract.

2. he signs with Bayern

3. he signs with another team

 

I thought Dortmund and Leipzig have expressed interest in him.  His options are not necessarily binary between Chelsea or Bayern.

 

I think the best option for him is to get his head and play out the season here.  At that point he has a better idea of what he feels his path to the first team here is.  Bayern will still be there this summer.  I said earlier that for the rest of the season I felt he would make a bigger impact here then if he went to Bayern because of the issue of being acclimated here and not having to adjust in his personal life and new team.  

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Just now, Sideshow Luiz said:

Well, you waited for Lewandowski and Lewandowski waited for you for 18 months, why is it different now?

Regardless if Bayern or CHO like it, he's needed right now and he plays for us.  There are a number of things that I personally would like, right now.  But, it doesn't work that way.  Lots of players would like a move that they can't have right now, I don't see why CHO is an exception to that.  We want Pulisic.  Pulisic wants us.  But, Dortmund need him right now, so he's staying there for the next 6 months.

If he really wants Bayern, and Bayern really want him, what's another 6 months for both parties.

 

You say he's needed right now but neither Bayern nor CHO completely believe that. You guys have been saying he deserved to play more than he actually did, and that was when he hadn't flirted with a move.

As I said in my previous post, this can be arranged only if Chelsea are held financially liable if CHO doesn't get played a minimum amount of matches for which he's fit and not suspended.

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Just now, MUTU said:

The only way I see a summer move working is that the contract, signed now, would stipulate minimum playing time requirements for CHO, which if not satisfies results in Chelsea having to pay up. You get him till the end of the season while CHO and Bayern can rest in the knowledge that Chelsea won't simply let him rot.

That doesn't make any sense.  He has 18 months left on his contract.  How is he available now, but not in the summer?  And how do we have to pay up if he doesn't get any game time?  If he werne't needed, and we were just trying to milk more money out of you, that would be one thing, but he's actually needed right now.  We have 4 wingers and 2 of them are injured.  

What exactly is stopping us from not selling him and playing him as much as the manager feels like, like any other player?  If he still wants to go in the summer, and you still want him, what's the issue?

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6 minutes ago, MUTU said:

The only way I see a summer move working is that the contract, signed now, would stipulate minimum playing time requirements for CHO, which if not satisfies results in Chelsea having to pay up. You get him till the end of the season while CHO and Bayern can rest in the knowledge that Chelsea won't simply let him rot.

 

Frankly it sounds like with these conditions that you are trying to strong arm us into a sale on your conditions.  He has a contract good for another 18 months.  The fact is it doesn't suit us to sell him now.  In the summer that may change.  If you are interested in the summer then the clubs can talk.  If you have to sign him now, well, I'm not the club buy I'd tell you to take a hike.

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6 minutes ago, MUTU said:

As I said in my previous post, this can be arranged only if Chelsea are held financially liable if CHO doesn't get played a minimum amount of matches for which he's fit and not suspended.

That's not how any of it works though. For example Pulisic doesn't have any "minimum amount of matches" clause from now till the end of the season, Dortmund are free to do whatever the hell they want with him till he actually joins Chelsea in the summer. And even that's with him already being under contract with Chelsea and merely on loan at Dortmund, but agreeing to a deal that gives Dortmund more freedom was the only way to make the deal happen.

The arrogance of Bayern really is unrivaled, even the fans think everyone else will just bend over and accept whatever conditions the mighty Bayern wish to happen with a transfer.

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1 minute ago, Sideshow Luiz said:

That doesn't make any sense.  He has 18 months left on his contract.  How is he available now, but not in the summer?  And how do we have to pay up if he doesn't get any game time?  If he werne't needed, and we were just trying to milk more money out of you, that would be one thing, but he's actually needed right now.  We have 4 wingers and 2 of them are injured.  

What exactly is stopping us from not selling him and playing him as much as the manager feels like, like any other player?  If he still wants to go in the summer, and you still want him, what's the issue?

The issue is the risk that CHO and Bayern see if they agree to sign a contract for summer, that Chelsea would just throw him in the stands and he'd never see the pitch again, basically what he's done for most of this season. If you want to keep him for 6 more months on the basis of 'needing him', then you should put your money where your mouth (when I say 'your' I obviously mean Chelsea) is and be held financially liable if he's not played purely for tactical reasons. It's unfair on CHO and Bayern having to wait 6 months to unite on the basis of Chelsea needing him but then not actually playing him. If Chelsea are serious about wanting to play him, then Chelsea should consider this option.

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Just now, MUTU said:

You say he's needed right now but neither Bayern nor CHO completely believe that. You guys have been saying he deserved to play more than he actually did, and that was when he hadn't flirted with a move.

As I said in my previous post, this can be arranged only if Chelsea are held financially liable if CHO doesn't get played a minimum amount of matches for which he's fit and not suspended.

It doesn't matter whether Bayern or CHO believe it.  Both parties can believe whatever they want.

He's got 18 months left on his contract and if we don't feel like we can sell him this winter, then we don't have to.  If Bayern and CHO find this unacceptable, they are welcome to work out a deal where they buy us a replacement up front.  Preferably English as that's worth quite a bit to us.  How about Sancho?

Not selling him this winter can be absolutely arranged without any kind of financial liability.  In fact, it's currently what is happening right now.