petre.ispirescu 4,928 Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 I refuse to believe and I say it again, I REFUSE TO BELIEVE that the Chelsea board would be that stupid to wait for Roma to transfer Rudiger and then buy him for 25m or 30m. Had Chelsea really wanted him, our club would have convinced the player to refuse the transfer to Roma, he'd have come back to Stuttgart after his loan, then Chelsea would have transfered him directly from Stuttgart for 9m. At least this is what I like to think and frankly this is what every business man would do. This is no fucking charity, oh yes you can have him for 9m and then I'll pay you 30 just because we're Chelsea and financially we're stronger than you. And I firmly believe that the Chelsea board is a tough negociatior because when you rob PSG for 50m on David Luiz it shows that you mean business. Chelsea board can't be idiots to pay silly money for a bang average player like Rudiger. Hopefully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonsFinest 692 Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 Great signs. As long as our fanbase has judged him 'shite' before he's even kicked a ball, than he's definitely worth the punt. I'd love him here, just for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea4 1,521 Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 2 minutes ago, petre.ispirescu said: I refuse to believe and I say it again, I REFUSE TO BELIEVE that the Chelsea board would be that stupid to wait for Roma to transfer Rudiger and then buy him for 25m or 30m. Had Chelsea really wanted him, our club would have convinced the player to refuse the transfer to Roma, he'd have come back to Stuttgart after his loan, then Chelsea would have transfered him directly from Stuttgart for 9m. At least this is what I like to think and frankly this is what every business man would do. And I firmly believe that the Chelsea board is a tough negociatior because when you rob PSG for 50m on David Luiz it shows that you mean business. Chelsea board can't be idiots to pay silly money for a bang average player like Rudiger. Hopefully. Roma had the optinion to buy him for 9m there was nothink Chelsea could have done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonsFinest 692 Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 10 minutes ago, Chelsea4 said: Roma had the optinion to buy him for 9m there was nothink Chelsea could have done. As he said, there is this option. Contracts state such thing as options and excersisable demands. If the contract states they can buy him until a certain date, which with loans is usually the 30th of July, then Chelsea can't do much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petre.ispirescu 4,928 Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 29 minutes ago, Chelsea4 said: Roma had the optinion to buy him for 9m there was nothink Chelsea could have done.  17 minutes ago, LondonsFinest said: As he said, there is this option. Contracts state such thing as options and excersisable demands. If the contract states they can buy him until a certain date, which with loans is usually the 30th of July, then Chelsea can't do much.  Guys you did not get my point. Yes, they had this option, but it was between the two clubs. Roma had to negociate with the player, too. Had Rudiger rejected Roma's contract proposal he'd have gone back to Stuttgart, no matter there was an option to buy or not. You cannot transfer a player against his will, even if the clubs agree a fee. An option to buy at the end of loan between two clubs does not mean that the player is automatically obliged to accept it, too. I'll repeat myself, but do you really think Chelsea could be that stupid to buy him for three times, or four times the amount when the club can easily reach the player's agent, persuade him to reject Roma's proposal and do business directly with Stuttgart? Maybe even get him for less than 9m because Stuttgart have just relegated from Bundesliga and they are in no position to negociate bullshit prices. Plus that Rudiger does not want to go back there and probably his wages do not fit Stuttgart's salary cap for 2nd division. I'm no business man but you don't need 6 years in college to smell the bullshit in this. Wait for someone to buy for a certain amount just for you to come back later to get the same product for three or four times the price. What's the point in this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonsFinest 692 Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 39 minutes ago, petre.ispirescu said:   Guys you did not get my point. Yes, they had this option, but it was between the two clubs. Roma had to negociate with the player, too. Had Rudiger rejected Roma's contract proposal he'd have gone back to Stuttgart, no matter there was an option to buy or not. You cannot transfer a player against his will, even if the clubs agree a fee. An option to buy at the end of loan between two clubs does not mean that the player is automatically obliged to accept it, too. Depends on the contract agreement. If, by law, the loan contract can be made permanent with the same wage and clause agreement then he isn't in a position to argue. Which I believe is the situation. Either that or we are paying above so that we sweaten the Nainggola  deal. Only 2 choices available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanicus 5,208 Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 2 hours ago, It's too big said: Have no idea about him. Shame we don't have roma fans on here to enlightenen us. Still raw, and is prone to concentration lapses and making mistakes that caused some costly goals. However his all-round performance has been very good since Spalletti took over. He plays as a center-back and as a right back, but he's apparently said that CB is his preferred position. We haven't played him as an RB much but I remember the first time we played him there and he was amazing (I don't think it worked the second time though). He's great at timing his tackles and has bailed us out when we had players in the box. IIRC earlier on he was very physical, and would take advantage of his athletic physique to win the ball back. It had varying results and sometimes landed us in tense situations which caused unnecessary fouls that were very close to the goal. His crossing has been his biggest issue imo and we've seen it all year. At times he shows signs that he's improving it but other times it's been piss poor for the most part. All things considered, I really like him. I think he has the potential to be very good for Roma and for Germany. He clearly likes the club and our team (just head on over to his social media accounts to see that) and I very much hope he stays. I have to say though, that if selling him, Sadiq, Sanabria, etc means we hold on to Pjanic, Manolas and Nainggolan, I won't be too sad to see him leave. From Roma fan. He isn't what we really need, we need top class CB, not some average raw guy with big potential. We have enough of this. Bonucci or Koulibaly or Manolas are all much better. I'd be dissapointed if he is our top CB signing this year. He's average at best.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blues.bridge 343 Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 30for him? 40-50 and i take varane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 No matter how highly/lowly you rate him he just isn't worth anywhere near 30m. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonsFinest 692 Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 22 minutes ago, The Skipper said: No matter how highly/lowly you rate him he just isn't worth anywhere near 30m. It's euros. And I doubt that is what we are paying them. 10-15 million pounds + clauses. Reasonable fee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 27 minutes ago, LondonsFinest said: It's euros. And I doubt that is what we are paying them. 10-15 million pounds + clauses. Reasonable fee. After Roma's just bought him for 9m euros? I truly doubt that. Regardless... We need better quality. He isn't even better than Cahill IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the wes 7,212 Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 We are going to look like a laughing stock if we buy him for £23m after Roma bought him for £9m just bring back Christensen and save £23m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmax 9,219 Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016  2 hours ago, The Skipper said: After Roma's just bought him for 9m euros? I truly doubt that. Regardless... We need better quality. He isn't even better than Cahill IMO. Sadly it's not going to be a surprise if we do this. It just feels like something we would do right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChelseaFanUK 1,014 Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 I have a feeling if a player is on loan with view to buy, then the player is in total agreement too.  I'd imagine when they sort the loan deal with the player and parent club, with a view to buy, they make sure the player agrees to join permanent (or be at least willing to) should they trigger it, during the original talks.  If the player then hears of Chelsea for example contacting his agent, then finds out Roma have triggered his permanent deal, and decides actually I'd like to go to Chelsea if i can; Roma are going to ask silly money because they most likely do not really want to sell him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea4 1,521 Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 Rudiger close to Chelsea. His agent in London. Clubs close to an agreement. €25mil fee. (repubblica.it) http://www.repubblica.it/sport/calcio/serie-a/roma/2016/06/01/news/roma_spalletti_bocciati_falque_calciomercato-141093942/?ref=twc&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&refresh_ce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Colored Sky 1,807 Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 Even on Youtube he looks suspicious. I already can see those uncoordinated moves and runs. I don't like it. Normally when Chelsea buy the player I'm excited, hey, Chelsea buy the player, what's more exciting than that ? But here. Hell, I just read that Roma had an OPTIONAL right to buy him, it was not even mandatory, which means that his previous club (Stuttgart) were THAT desperate to get rid of him they would accept anything. Hopefully it's on Conte's request, then I politely stfu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea4 1,521 Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 Just look at this he is strong,fast he is great with the ball.( i don't judge/rate him based on these videos) i have been watching Rudiger since he was at Stuttgart.     Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonsFinest 692 Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 9 minutes ago, Chelsea4 said:  Your opinion om him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea4 1,521 Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 3 minutes ago, LondonsFinest said: Your opinion om him? I already said he is a great cb.Rudiger is fast,strong,great with the ball and is young. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bababoom 4,478 Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 Actually looks pretty impressive, very similar to Koulibaly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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