Radamel Falcao

[Hutcho 8,443]

LOL, we don't need a striker who can drop deep or do some great passing, or is known for his scholes like through balls. We have emense creative quality in the 3 behind,

I just want someone who puts the round thing over the line. I am not too bothered how he does it just as long as he does it.

[Hutcho 8,443]

  On 18/11/2012 at 20:42, Sheva. said:

We better not buy him if he continues playing like this, or it will be just another Torres scenario

I expect him to start scoring soon though, hopefully lol.

HE IS JUST GETTING US A LOWER PRICE LOL.

[DYC. 7,542]

  On 18/11/2012 at 20:30, nadavTKL said:

i realy cant agree on Benzema, last type of striker i think we need. we have three playmakers, what we need is goals, someone to pass to so he could finish. Both Cavani and Falcao will be great for it. Benzema wouldnt, we all saw how it looked in France in the Euros, he's just not a pure striker. In Real it works because there is Ronaldo who is half a striker. Plus, Benzema he's not a world class finisher.

Benzema and Van Persie are the same type of striker. The difference between him and Van Persie is Van Persie knows how to perfectly balance his role as a goal-scorer and his involvement in build-up play. Benzema is still a work in progress in that aspect. Sometimes great, sometimes pretty anonymous. But he's got everything you want in a striker. He's a great finisher, the man can score the most amazing goals. Just look at the goal he scored against Bilbao, that's typical Benzema. But he's inconsistent, he'll have games where he can't seem to finish. It's incredibly weird.

Benzema has always underperformed for France and he's not the first to do so for his country. Not all his fault though. France have some great names but they're disjointed and they've been like that for years.

The problem with poachers is when you don't play well and have a hard time creating chances, you're basically playing with 10 men. Falcao is currently thriving in a counter-attacking team. That's their game. They don't like to have possession, they want to hit you on the break, that's when they get space. That's what they did against us so well in the Super Cup. But we usually have games where we enjoy most of possession and the opposition will sit back, denying us space. And in such a set-up, you need all you're attacking players to contribute well in the build-up/creation of chances. You can't have 3 players doing everything against 8/9 players.

I'm not saying Falcao will fail here but as long as we aim to play possession football, a Van Persie/Benzema type is ideal.

[Pacquiao 1,834]

He is looking more and more unimpressive every week either all this talk about Chelsea has gone to his head and he is now set on a move to Chelsea in January so doesn't feel motivated to perform for Atletico or he is just not as good as everyone thinks.

[Pacquiao 1,834]

  On 18/11/2012 at 20:51, DYC. said:

Benzema and Van Persie are the same type of striker. The difference between him and Van Persie is Van Persie knows how to perfectly balance his role as a goal-scorer and his involvement in build-up play. Benzema is still a work in progress in that aspect. Sometimes great, sometimes pretty anonymous. But he's got everything you want in a striker. He's a great finisher, the man can score the most amazing goals. Just look at the goal he scored against Bilbao, that's typical Benzema. But he's inconsistent, he'll have games where he can't seem to finish. It's incredibly weird.

Benzema has always underperformed for France and he's not the first to do so for his country. Not all his fault though. France have some great names but they're disjointed and they've been like that for years.

The problem with poachers is when you don't play well and have a hard time creating chances, you're basically playing with 10 men. Falcao is currently thriving in a counter-attacking team. That's their game. They don't like to have possession, they want to hit you on the break, that's when they get space. That's what they did against us so well in the Super Cup. But we usually have games where we enjoy most of possession and the opposition will sit back, denying us space. And in such a set-up, you need all you're attacking players to contribute well in the build-up/creation of chances. You can't have 3 players doing everything against 8/9 players.

I'm not saying Falcao will fail here but as long as we aim to play possession football, a Van Persie/Benzema type is ideal.

I agree i would rather Cavani or Lewandowski i think they would suit us alot better than Falcao

[Sheva. 5,373]

  On 18/11/2012 at 20:53, Pacquiao said:

He is looking more and more unimpressive every week either all this talk about Chelsea has gone to his head and he is now set on a move to Chelsea in January so doesn't feel motivated to perform for Atletico or he is just not as good as everyone thinks.

I would be very worried if it's the bolded part. It's hard to just turn the switch back on, this is what happened with Torres.

[Joker10 946]

  On 18/11/2012 at 20:13, DYC. said:

Cavani reminds of Drogba actually, though he's more of a poacher. He'll drop back to get involved a bit. Not as good as Drogs though but he's pretty decent at it. He also knows how to hold on the ball quite well imo. And what I've always liked about him is his pretty decent long passing which he uses to switch play, a handy trait. Not to forget his high work-rate.

All those are valid points, but it still doesn't make them that different imo. Cavani is still more of a poacher then a complete striker like Benzema, RVP, Ibra, Aguero, Suarez,etc. I feel both players strength and main ability are finishing and poaching ability, neither player are really going to hurt you with their dribbling or passing to make them that different.

[nadavTKL 1,787]

  On 18/11/2012 at 20:51, DYC. said:

Benzema and Van Persie are the same type of striker. The difference between him and Van Persie is Van Persie knows how to perfectly balance his role as a goal-scorer and his involvement in build-up play. Benzema is still a work in progress in that aspect. Sometimes great, sometimes pretty anonymous. But he's got everything you want in a striker. He's a great finisher, the man can score the most amazing goals. Just look at the goal he scored against Bilbao, that's typical Benzema. But he's inconsistent, he'll have games where he can't seem to finish. It's incredibly weird.

Benzema has always underperformed for France and he's not the first to do so for his country. Not all his fault though. France have some great names but they're disjointed and they've been like that for years.

The problem with poachers is when you don't play well and have a hard time creating chances, you're basically playing with 10 men. Falcao is currently thriving in a counter-attacking team. That's their game. They don't like to have possession, they want to hit you on the break, that's when they get space. That's what they did against us so well in the Super Cup. But we usually have games where we enjoy most of possession and the opposition will sit back, denying us space. And in such a set-up, you need all you're attacking players to contribute well in the build-up/creation of chances. You can't have 3 players doing everything against 8/9 players.

I'm not saying Falcao will fail here but as long as we aim to play possession football, a Van Persie/Benzema type is ideal.

Well im not convinced about Benzema what can i say, and im not seeing much of what you see probably. To say Benzema and Van Persie are the same type of strikers is very superficial for me, you even explained it with nice words yourself. RVP does got this game when he goes deeper, but then again he's a striker and he's always there to finish chances, this "balance" you mentioned is a hugh difference between them. And im not even talking about the bigger difference in their finishing abilities.

Youre talking about Falcao like he's so limited... Falcao can contribute alot when we're playing bad, he can score goals by making he's own opportiunities.

"as we aim to play possession football" - i cant see why people seem to think we aim for that, or can do that. You absolutely cant do that with a midfield of Ramires and Mikel, not against quality teams i mean. You can control the ball nicely, not saying we should be 2nd best in that case all the time, but we wont CONTROL big games with possession football for 90 mins. If you want more possession, imo it should come from a new midfielder who can pass the ball well, i dont think we should play with a false9 or something similar (Benzema) to achive that. Not when you dont have any other scorers in the line up - we dont have a C.Ronaldo of Messi or Ronney near the striker, we have Hazard and Mata who are good infront of goal, but not that good. I think a big time finisher is needed.

[DYC. 7,542]

  On 18/11/2012 at 21:02, Joker10 said:

All those are valid points, but it still doesn't make them that different imo. Cavani is still more of a poacher then a complete striker like Benzema, RVP, Ibra, Aguero, Suarez,etc. I feel both players strength and main ability are finishing and poaching ability, neither player are really going to hurt you with their dribbling or passing to make them that different.

Fair enough.

  On 18/11/2012 at 22:02, nadavTKL said:

Well im not convinced about Benzema what can i say, and im not seeing much of what you see probably. To say Benzema and Van Persie are the same type of strikers is very superficial for me, you even explained it with nice words yourself. RVP does got this game when he goes deeper, but then again he's a striker and he's always there to finish chances, this "balance" you mentioned is a hugh difference between them. And im not even talking about the bigger difference in their finishing abilities.

Youre talking about Falcao like he's so limited... Falcao can contribute alot when we're playing bad, he can score goals by making he's own opportiunities.

"as we aim to play possession football" - i cant see why people seem to think we aim for that, or can do that. You absolutely cant do that with a midfield of Ramires and Mikel, not against quality teams i mean. You can control the ball nicely, not saying we should be 2nd best in that case all the time, but we wont CONTROL big games with possession football for 90 mins. If you want more possession, imo it should come from a new midfielder who can pass the ball well, i dont think we should play with a false9 or something similar (Benzema) to achive that. Not when you dont have any other scorers in the line up - we dont have a C.Ronaldo of Messi or Ronney near the striker, we have Hazard and Mata who are good infront of goal, but not that good. I think a big time finisher is needed.

Don't think we'll get anywhere if we continue discussing, so I'll just leave it like this .

[BlueLyon 9,359]

If there is a thing I dont want to see, its buying another 50mio player who would turn in flop. It would be a nightmare.

Chelsea board, think 10 times before you buy a new striker.

[BLionheart 516]

  On 18/11/2012 at 20:51, DYC. said:

The problem with poachers is when you don't play well and have a hard time creating chances, you're basically playing with 10 men. Falcao is currently thriving in a counter-attacking team. That's their game. They don't like to have possession, they want to hit you on the break, that's when they get space. That's what they did against us so well in the Super Cup. But we usually have games where we enjoy most of possession and the opposition will sit back, denying us space. And in such a set-up, you need all you're attacking players to contribute well in the build-up/creation of chances. You can't have 3 players doing everything against 8/9 players.

I'm not saying Falcao will fail here but as long as we aim to play possession football, a Van Persie/Benzema type is ideal.

Great post , Most of Falcao goals came from headers or balls where he had the time to make a touch or two before shooting , we ve all seen how that turns out for Torres.

A striker that has a role in our build-up play is a must , at least during counter attacks , i do believe that Lewandowski is currently our best option , he may not be the best striker in the world but he is the best fit for our team.

[Jase 43,479]

3 league games without scoring. Hmmm...

[Reddish-Blue 2,428]

  On 19/11/2012 at 03:13, BluesMaster said:

3 league games without scoring. Hmmm...

I'm starting to get concerned...I'd hate to see another big money flop.

Maybe we should look at bringing in Bony in January. He wouldn't cost that much and he seems to have a knack of scoring goals. Then..in the summer, we could bring in Lewandowski or someone else for 25-30 million.

[Jase 43,479]

  On 19/11/2012 at 03:25, Reddish-Blue said:

I'm starting to get concerned...I'd hate to see another big money flop.

Maybe we should look at bringing in Bony in January. He wouldn't cost that much and he seems to have a knack of scoring goals. Then..in the summer, we could bring in Lewandowski or someone else for 25-30 million.

As much as Falcao is a goal machine or whatever you want to call it, I would rather see us bring in someone less expensive personally. There are other good options around and after all the nightmares we have had with buying an expensive strikers in recent years, we could do with someone without a heavy price tag on him.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

  On 19/11/2012 at 03:29, BluesMaster said:

As much as Falcao is a goal machine or whatever you want to call it, I would rather see us bring in someone less expensive personally. There are other good options around and after all the nightmares we have had with buying an expensive strikers in recent years, we could do with someone without a heavy price tag on him.

As much as I always prefered cavani for his height and hold up play, falcao had a bad game like the one vanpersie had against norwich.

Vanpersie missed 3 chances there too.

The positive is they constantly get goal scoring positions because of GOOD movement.

It is very vital, and falcao is one of the best BIG GAME PLAYERS second to drogba. Scoring in consecutive europa league finals is proof. Big game players like messi, ronaldo, drogba, rvp have proven that they can bail the team in the big games.

Don't u miss that drogba factor in chelsea?

So I don't think the big money will make him flop like torres because his move from porto to athletico was also for big money(more than their former best striker aguero).

[RamiCFC9 258]

  On 18/11/2012 at 20:51, DYC. said:

Benzema and Van Persie are the same type of striker. The difference between him and Van Persie is Van Persie knows how to perfectly balance his role as a goal-scorer and his involvement in build-up play. Benzema is still a work in progress in that aspect. Sometimes great, sometimes pretty anonymous. But he's got everything you want in a striker. He's a great finisher, the man can score the most amazing goals. Just look at the goal he scored against Bilbao, that's typical Benzema. But he's inconsistent, he'll have games where he can't seem to finish. It's incredibly weird.

Benzema has always underperformed for France and he's not the first to do so for his country. Not all his fault though. France have some great names but they're disjointed and they've been like that for years.

The problem with poachers is when you don't play well and have a hard time creating chances, you're basically playing with 10 men. Falcao is currently thriving in a counter-attacking team. That's their game. They don't like to have possession, they want to hit you on the break, that's when they get space. That's what they did against us so well in the Super Cup. But we usually have games where we enjoy most of possession and the opposition will sit back, denying us space. And in such a set-up, you need all you're attacking players to contribute well in the build-up/creation of chances. You can't have 3 players doing everything against 8/9 players.

I'm not saying Falcao will fail here but as long as we aim to play possession football, a Van Persie/Benzema type is ideal.

Falcao has proved himself in a possession football aswell.

[Mufassir08 2,400]

Falcao having a bad november!Looks like the chelsea november curse has affected him as well.

[BLionheart 516]

Almost 80% sure will just turn out to be another flop , he has been hugely successful in teams that were built to get the best out of their strikers , but here the set-up is to get the best out of the midfield , that means the striker will have to be a hardworking player , has at least decent link-up play , willing to move his ass around sometimes only to open up spaces for others.

That's why as i have said before Lewandowski should be the man for the task.