The Chels 2,502 Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Yep Hazard with all that muscle...David Silva as well Hazard and Silva are technically brilliant footballers and also very intelligent. In contrast Cuadrado seems to be technically decent and I'm not sure if he has a football brain - judging by how he tries to dribble past everyone and how often he loses the ball needlessly then probably not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DYC. 7,542 Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Well he played as winger in his career too. He is quite brilliant technicaly for striker and pacy. Think it could work with some tactical learning from Mou.We had Anelka on wing in the past and it worked.Not really... Some good spells here and there but Anelka was very frustrating out wide. In fact, I remember him driving people absolutely crazy on here haha. You could fuse Anelka, Malouda and Kalou (Anelkalouda) and you'd still end up with a player that wasn't good enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlueGuy 1,552 Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Hazard and Silva are technically brilliant footballers and also very intelligent. In contrast Cuadrado seems to be technically decent and I'm not sure if he has a football brain. He loses the ball a lot and will never be much better than Willian.Fair enough, look like you are not a fan of his. Personally I think he looks good and his showing at WC was excellent as well, that is what I am basing my opinions on tbh as I don't watch a lot of Fiorentina games. I do remember a couple of years ago where Fio beat Juve and he scored/set up a few goals himself. Also no need to generalize it mate, he doesn't have a football brain? Just because he likes to dribble past 5 players in one go doesn't mean he is a headless chicken. He is also not a Navas/Valencia who thinks it is time to cross every time they got to the byline, he wants to beat players and goes inside. A lot of similarity to Hazard.Same with your statement about losing the ball a lot, based on what? That Parma video? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Yep Hazard with all that muscle...David Silva as well Hazard and Sanchez have incredible balance and trust me they are quite strong for such small players. But mostly their lower body is very balanced. The point isnt realy in strength but to retain the ball without getting knocked off. If you have great balance, you can do that. Thats why Hazard can keep the ball against bigger players and runs away with it. Cuadrado is far less balanced than Hazard or Sanchez. Silva is in PL for several years now and has adopted well, but his main role isnt dribbling but creating chances which is bit different. We have big trouble in holding the ball in attack when under pressure and Cuadrado isnt that kind to keep the ball against PL defenders. He can tricks them with skill and speed but I dont think he can hold up the ball. But we shall see, I havent seen him play in PL anyway Turan is another with great balance and maybe he would be better choice but that is discussion for another day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovieticus 743 Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Hazard and Silva are technically brilliant footballers and also very intelligent. In contrast Cuadrado seems to be technically decent and I'm not sure if he has a football brain - judging by how he tries to dribble past everyone and how often he loses the ball needlessly then probably not.Well Willian isn't the smartest one either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Not really... Some good spells here and there but Anelka was very frustrating out wide. In fact, I remember him driving people absolutely crazy on here haha. You could fuse Anelka, Malouda and Kalou (Anelkalouda) and you'd still end up with a player that wasn't good enough.I remember lot of being against Kalou and Malouda. But Anelka was good IMO. Maybe not in last year but before he was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlueGuy 1,552 Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Willian best winger in the world... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chels 2,502 Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Fair enough, look like you are not a fan of his. Personally I think he looks good and his showing at WC was excellent as well, that is what I am basing my opinions on tbh as I don't watch a lot of Fiorentina games. I do remember a couple of years ago where Fio beat Juve and he scored/set up a few goals himself. Also no need to generalize it mate, he doesn't have a football brain? Just because he likes to dribble past 5 players in one go doesn't mean he is a headless chicken. He is also not a Navas/Valencia who thinks it is time to cross every time they got to the byline, he wants to beat players and goes inside. A lot of similarity to Hazard.Same with your statement about losing the ball a lot, based on what? That Parma video?Everyone is judging him on limited knowledge and footage I agree so maybe I am being harsh but he just looks so average in all the videos and compilations. They're supposed to make players look brilliant and if he doesn't look good in them then I wonder how bad his performances are without all the bad bits edited out. In answer to your last question WhoScored say one of his weaknesses is holding onto the ball. Willian best winger in the world... His first goal... A tap in from the penalty spot but hits it straight at Cech. Very lucky that went in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DYC. 7,542 Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 I remember lot of being against Kalou and Malouda. But Anelka was good IMO. Maybe not in last year but before he was.Anelka was good in 08/09, when he played up top. First six months after he joined he struggled, also took that awful penalty in Moscow... 09/10 was a season of highs and lows, but at least he chipped in with goals. Malouda-Drogba-Anelka were destroying teams in the last part of the season though, even Kalou haha. That was great to watch. It all went down-hill after that. Those were some 'dark times' man.I like Lacazette. I'm not so sure on him still working on the wing. His ceiling didn't seem very high out wide, he looks much better in the middle. Think the club would do well to at least go for a real wide man. But if you can't get an upgrade on Willian, don't just buy for the sake of buying. Why not strengthen in other positions? Or just wait until the summer comes. We've seen too many flops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polo7 3,496 Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 People complaining that he is just like Willian.....well we do need another competent player on the right. Schurrle should is not anywhere near good enough. Would rather see us loan Salah and sell schurrle! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drog.ba 239 Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Even if Cuadrado turns out to be similar/slightly better then Willian, that would still be a significant upgrade on Schrulle/Salah. And he's strongest position is on the right.Can't see who we can get that's better, Reus is unrealistic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fastrobbie 26 Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 I'm actually interested to see how things are going to end up.Unlike many others, I do trust in the Chelsea board. With the transfers of Fabregas and Costa they earned that much.Most llikely we will end up with a situation like the following:Schurrle being sold (24M €)Cuadrado in (30-35M €)If Chelsea management thinks he might be worth spending 30-35M €, then sure for a bare 10M € transfer budget (not counting salary and signing bonusses) extra outgoing it might turn out to be a great upgrade from Schurrle (with no disprespect meant to him) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea Legend 11 4,062 Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Well he played as winger in his career too. He is quite brilliant technicaly for striker and pacy. Think it could work with some tactical learning from Mou.We had Anelka on wing in the past and it worked.I think people need to stop looking at other situations as a means for why it could work now. Look at the style we are trying to play, this is Jose's team, not Ancellotti's. We are playing a very different system from the ones we've played before and you need certain player who fit THAT style, its not a matter of "Turan is good we should get him" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chels 2,502 Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Even if Cuadrado turns out to be similar/slightly better then Willian, that would still be a significant upgrade on Schrulle/Salah. And he's strongest position is on the right.Can't see who we can get that's better, Reus is unrealisticI'm actually interested to see how things are going to end up.Unlike many others, I do trust in the Chelsea board. With the transfers of Fabregas and Costa they earned that much.Most llikely we will end up with a situation like the following:Schurrle being sold (24M €)Cuadrado in (30-35M €)If Chelsea management thinks he might be worth spending 30-35M €, then sure for a bare 10M € transfer budget (not counting salary and signing bonusses) extra outgoing it might turn out to be a great upgrade from Schurrle (with no disprespect meant to him)We need more than just an upgrade on Schurrle/Salah if we have genuine amibitions to fight in all 4 competitions and reach the CL final. We need a significant upgrade on Willian and that's not what we're getting here. I remember wanting the Guarin deal to collapse so much because he is very average. Thankfully that did and we got a much better player in instead. I'm hoping for the same here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drog.ba 239 Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 We need more than just an upgrade on Schurrle/Salah if we have genuine amibitions to fight in all 4 competitions and reach the CL final. We need a significant upgrade on Willian and that's not what we're getting here.Who would you suggest? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styles 9,790 Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Seems like a marginal upgrade at best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polo7 3,496 Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Seems like a marginal upgrade at best.Over Schurrle? Its definitely an enormous upgrade! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fastrobbie 26 Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 We need more than just an upgrade on Schurrle/Salah if we have genuine amibitions to fight in all 4 competitions and reach the CL final. We need a significant upgrade on Willian and that's not what we're getting here. I remember wanting the Guarin deal to collapse so much because he is very average. Thankfully that did and we got a much better player in instead. I'm hoping for the same here!Well I assume you might have very extensive knowledge about Cuadrado then being able to claim that he is just a mere upgrade and is not what we should be looking for.Perhaps you should apply for a job at the Chelsea scouting system, as they must have failed us then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chels 2,502 Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Who would you suggest?Turan. But if we can't get a significant upgrade on Willian then it's best not to get anyone at all (especially not for £27m) because we'll just end up having to upgrade on them too. Well I assume you might have very extensive knowledge about Cuadrado then being able to claim that he is just a mere upgrade and is not what we should be looking for. Perhaps you should apply for a job at the Chelsea scouting system, as they must have failed us then Where do I apply? With our RW they have clearly failed us these past few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drog.ba 239 Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Turan. But if we can't get a significant upgrade on Willian then it's best not to get anyone at all (especially not for £27m) because we'll just end up having to upgrade on them too.Where do I apply? With our RW they have clearly failed us these past few years.Can't see Atletico selling Turan, although he's the better player, Cuadrado seems to more fit the profile of winger Mourinho would want - more pacey/direct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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