Independent Scotland

[Fulham Broadway 17,306]

If there is a 'Yes' vote, some would say it is down to Iain Duncan Smith. The banks, NATO, and El Presidente USA will realise he’s flushed the Union down the crapper – and lost a priceless strategic asset – for the sake of his obnoxious bedroom tax.

Apperently that has stuck well and truly in a lot of Scots craw, like when they tried introducing the Poll tax a year early in Scotland. That went well.

Was is it worth it Smith? A cheap, sadistic little publicity stunt has so disgusted the majority of Scots that even a lot of the doubters are voting ‘Yes'

[Muzchap 8,966]

If there is a 'Yes' vote, some would say it is down to Iain Duncan Smith. The banks, NATO, and El Presidente USA will realise he’s flushed the Union down the crapper – and lost a priceless strategic asset – for the sake of his obnoxious bedroom tax.

Apperently that has stuck well and truly in a lot of Scots craw, like when they tried introducing the Poll tax a year early in Scotland. That went well.

Was is it worth it Smith? A cheap, sadistic little publicity stunt has so disgusted the majority of Scots that even a lot of the doubters are voting ‘Yes'

The Poll Tax would actually be beneficial to the economy right now - with the number of people all living in one house

The bedroom tax needs to be looked at rationally - not what the media purported.

Aim of bedroom tax - to relocate people who had spare rooms (unused) into more suitable social housing, freeing up valuable larger properties for people desperate for them.

However - the rub is, even though these are social houses and provided courtesy of hard working tax payers - people who have never contributed seem to believe these are their houses - not the Governemnts... Usual bollox ensues and a big deal is made over a pertintly sensible idea to free up one person living in a 3 bed house..

I know that's not what people want to hear - but that's the reality. If you needed social housing and had 3 kids and were cramped up in a 1 bedroom flat, whilst the Doris down the road had a 3/4 empty house - wouldn't you consider a swap to be beneficial to both parties?

As usual a combination of media twisting and basic fuck ups by the admin staff on the project sent it into dissarray - but I liked the concept and would agree execution was poor

[Fulham Broadway 17,306]

The Poll Tax would actually be beneficial to the economy right now - with the number of people all living in one house

The bedroom tax needs to be looked at rationally - not what the media purported.

Aim of bedroom tax - to relocate people who had spare rooms (unused) into more suitable social housing, freeing up valuable larger properties for people desperate for them.

However - the rub is, even though these are social houses and provided courtesy of hard working tax payers - people who have never contributed seem to believe these are their houses - not the Governemnts... Usual bollox ensues and a big deal is made over a pertintly sensible idea to free up one person living in a 3 bed house..

I know that's not what people want to hear - but that's the reality. If you needed social housing and had 3 kids and were cramped up in a 1 bedroom flat, whilst the Doris down the road had a 3/4 empty house - wouldn't you consider a swap to be beneficial to both parties?

As usual a combination of media twisting and basic fuck ups by the admin staff on the project sent it into dissarray - but I liked the concept and would agree execution was poor

All well and good muzchap, but the Scots ? All the polls show Do they not like it !

The tories thought they would try out the poll tax in Scotland first in 1989..........biiiiig mistake. The biggest record of non payment in the UK, the refusal to pay spread to England and ultimately brought down Thatcher. Again the bedroom tax is hated in Scotland generally, along with zero hours contracts, tuition fees etc, and generally being ruled by an Eton educated cabal. Many Working Class old Labour Scots see Nu Labour as not much better than the tories, and have abandoned their old voting habits for Mr Salmond.

My own view is that there will be a narrow No vote winning the day, but the tragedy being a resulting Scotland that is divided.

One thing is for sure the Govt are getting very jittery, with the leader of Scots Tories saying "Cameron will not win the next General Election". A last ditch desperate attempt to secure a No vote.

[The only place to be 11,313]

All well and good muzchap, but the Scots ? All the polls show Do they not like it !

The tories thought they would try out the poll tax in Scotland first in 1989..........biiiiig mistake. The biggest record of non payment in the UK, the refusal to pay spread to England and ultimately brought down Thatcher. Again the bedroom tax is hated in Scotland generally, along with zero hours contracts, tuition fees etc, and generally being ruled by an Eton educated cabal. Many Working Class old Labour Scots see Nu Labour as not much better than the tories, and have abandoned their old voting habits for Mr Salmond.

My own view is that there will be a narrow No vote winning the day, but the tragedy being a resulting Scotland that is divided.

One thing is for sure the Govt are getting very jittery, with the leader of Scots Tories saying "Cameron will not win the next General Election". A last ditch desperate attempt to secure a No vote.

The best thing is that this will give closure to the whole debate.

Whatever you think of Salmond he has stuck to his word and delivered the vote. Too often in modern society people lack the guts to back up what they say and bottle out of things. It's an admirable quality regardless of political bent, wouldn't you say Fulham Broadway?

[Fulham Broadway 17,306]

The best thing is that this will give closure to the whole debate.

Whatever you think of Salmond he has stuck to his word and delivered the vote. Too often in modern society people lack the guts to back up what they say and bottle out of things. It's an admirable quality regardless of political bent, wouldn't you say Fulham Broadway?

He sticks to his guns and doesnt change his opinion every five minutes, nor pretend to be the hard man, so credit to him for that.

[The only place to be 11,313]

He sticks to his guns and doesnt change his opinion every five minutes, nor pretend to be the hard man, so credit to him for that.

Did you just delete a post I made regarding Salmond?

I basically said that there's nothing wrong with people reevaluating their positions as new evidence becomes available or the situation changes. I then followed it up with a grudging admiraton for Salmond (who I disagree with politically) by saying that no matter what you may think of his views, he had the balls to deliver on what he said.

Why was that post deleted and by whom?

[zolayes 14,489]

Did you just delete a post I made regarding Salmond?

I basically said that there's nothing wrong with people reevaluating their positions as new evidence becomes available or the situation changes. I then followed it up with a grudging admiraton for Salmond (who I disagree with politically) by saying that no matter what you may think of his views, he had the balls to deliver on what he said.

Why was that post deleted and by whom?

seems you have been given a warning for "cuntishness" from experience I think this means upsetting a mod

[The only place to be 11,313]

seems you have been given a warning for "cuntishness" from experience I think this means upsetting a mod

Apparently so, although posts of mine seem to be getting deleted without explanation so I'm not holding out for an explanation on the warning either....and I expect these posts to disappear into the ether in due course too.

[Fulham Broadway 17,306]

Keep on topic, we dont want warnings for thread derailing.

[Fulham Broadway 17,306]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28880557

A 'No' vote could still have repercussions and unsettle the UK.

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[lucio 5,418]

neil oliver says no.

i trust him.

[Muzchap 8,966]

All well and good muzchap, but the Scots ? All the polls show Do they not like it !

The tories thought they would try out the poll tax in Scotland first in 1989..........biiiiig mistake. The biggest record of non payment in the UK, the refusal to pay spread to England and ultimately brought down Thatcher. Again the bedroom tax is hated in Scotland generally, along with zero hours contracts, tuition fees etc, and generally being ruled by an Eton educated cabal. Many Working Class old Labour Scots see Nu Labour as not much better than the tories, and have abandoned their old voting habits for Mr Salmond.

My own view is that there will be a narrow No vote winning the day, but the tragedy being a resulting Scotland that is divided.

One thing is for sure the Govt are getting very jittery, with the leader of Scots Tories saying "Cameron will not win the next General Election". A last ditch desperate attempt to secure a No vote.

Yes - can fully see the sense of persecution theory here

However, looking at it logically - I guess the reason for Scotland being the initial adopters is down to the above average spend in that region on welfare (more spent per capita than received) - so any policy that can reduce that ratio would have positive ramifications for the whole country - I guess they are trying solutions to the biggest problems where they feel they need it first.

I guess the Party element opens up to a wider debate - as we are now a global economy and forced to act in accordance with the global markets, the notion that any Government locally can change anything is a bit far fetched - hence the convergence of all parties (little choice between them) - so whilst Scotland might not like what's on offer in the UK, seeking independence to change that will have no effect and could actually make things worse as their actions will be directly tied to the macro-economic forces of the markets - and in a Capitalist society , they need to bend and doff to the whims of the global economy.

Personally, I think the real debate should be Global Capitalism vs Nationalism - that's where the majority of issues sit

[We Hate Scouse 10,326]

I fully expect riots in Scotland regardless of the result...

[zolayes 14,489]

I fully expect riots in Scotland regardless of the result...

I think not ,, they will just get pissed .. The english would just moan and watch TV ...

The French would riot

[OneMoSalah 8,884]

I fully expect riots in Scotland regardless of the result...

As long as we can get pished half the country probably won't give a fuck anyway.