Independent Scotland

[Fulham Broadway 17,114]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28880557

A 'No' vote could still have repercussions and unsettle the UK.

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[lucio 5,418]

neil oliver says no.

i trust him.

[Muzchap 8,966]

  On 05/09/2014 at 07:48, Fulham Broadway said:

All well and good muzchap, but the Scots ? All the polls show Do they not like it !

The tories thought they would try out the poll tax in Scotland first in 1989..........biiiiig mistake. The biggest record of non payment in the UK, the refusal to pay spread to England and ultimately brought down Thatcher. Again the bedroom tax is hated in Scotland generally, along with zero hours contracts, tuition fees etc, and generally being ruled by an Eton educated cabal. Many Working Class old Labour Scots see Nu Labour as not much better than the tories, and have abandoned their old voting habits for Mr Salmond.

My own view is that there will be a narrow No vote winning the day, but the tragedy being a resulting Scotland that is divided.

One thing is for sure the Govt are getting very jittery, with the leader of Scots Tories saying "Cameron will not win the next General Election". A last ditch desperate attempt to secure a No vote.

Yes - can fully see the sense of persecution theory here

However, looking at it logically - I guess the reason for Scotland being the initial adopters is down to the above average spend in that region on welfare (more spent per capita than received) - so any policy that can reduce that ratio would have positive ramifications for the whole country - I guess they are trying solutions to the biggest problems where they feel they need it first.

I guess the Party element opens up to a wider debate - as we are now a global economy and forced to act in accordance with the global markets, the notion that any Government locally can change anything is a bit far fetched - hence the convergence of all parties (little choice between them) - so whilst Scotland might not like what's on offer in the UK, seeking independence to change that will have no effect and could actually make things worse as their actions will be directly tied to the macro-economic forces of the markets - and in a Capitalist society , they need to bend and doff to the whims of the global economy.

Personally, I think the real debate should be Global Capitalism vs Nationalism - that's where the majority of issues sit

[We Hate Scouse 10,291]

I fully expect riots in Scotland regardless of the result...

[zolayes 14,489]

  On 05/09/2014 at 15:35, We Hate Scouse said:

I fully expect riots in Scotland regardless of the result...

I think not ,, they will just get pissed .. The english would just moan and watch TV ...

The French would riot

[OneMoSalah 8,841]

  On 05/09/2014 at 15:35, We Hate Scouse said:

I fully expect riots in Scotland regardless of the result...

As long as we can get pished half the country probably won't give a fuck anyway.

[Fulham Broadway 17,114]

Yes vote in the lead now according to one poll

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-29096458

[Parky 739]

This reminds me of the Australian republic referendum a decade ago. it failed but I do see Australia becoming a republic in my lifetime. Australia is separated by a great distance with no real benefits from staying with the Commonwealth. We as a country will become stronger and wealthier by aligning us closer to our Asian neighbours.

But the UK and Scotland is a whole different ball game and I don't have the knowledge to have an opinion. Whatever the result it will make a great topic for a documentary. IF it does become an interdependent Scotland than maybe it be closer to the AUS & NZ alliance. NZ doesn't have a real army and we act as a bigger brother yet they have they own constitution & currency plus we can live in either country without a visa.

[NishC300 1,865]

  On 04/09/2014 at 01:04, Muzchap said:

Because that's what the 'Yes' campaign pushed for.

What's a bigger joke is that only current residents of Scotland can vote.

Any Scottish person living in England, Wales or NI cannot - that's just ridiculous - this is severely limiting the 'rational' thought processes.

The term 'Freedom' is also being bandied about - what exactly is Scotland not free to do, that other parts of the UK are?

- free healthcare - check

- free schooling - check

- free movement - check

- religious freedom - check

The list is endless ..

It's more of an argument of proportional representation that has been blown out of all context and is now being promoted as 'freedom' under a nationalist movement - claiming oppression.

I seriously believe Scots that vote yes and achieve independence will all expect to be millionaires the next morning.

Very little will change for the average Scots person initially - the real gamble is for the generation after this, that's where the issues will become more prevalent.

The more I debate it in my own mind the angrier I become about the farcical way that 'solid facts' are missing from both the Yes and No camp

As I said many times - a real shame it has come to this... But within weeks we will see

We can't vote during the elections from here either.

There was an interesting debate about this on the BBC World Service yesterday and there was a debate that if Scotland were to vote YES then which currency would they use. The issue was that if they stick with the pound then the interest rates set by the Bank of England may not be tailored for the Scottish economy (which really shouldn't be an issue since they've been using the pound for ages).

And if they were to pick the Euro then they'd still not be able to influence the interest rates much either since major EU Countries will have more influence in deciding what it is.

[Fulham Broadway 17,114]

Oh dear. The entire Westminster establishment is simply a bad joke north of Carlisle, and every time they open their mouths the Yes campaign puts on another point. Cameron, Miliband and Darling are a godsend for Scottish independence.

[Parky 739]

So if yes then what will happen with BBC services to Scotland ?

[Fulham Broadway 17,114]

The most far-reaching settlement would be for an independent Scotland to sever its links to the BBC entirely, and set up a new state broadcasting network. That would mean BBC audiences would have to subscribe to Sky or cable services which included BBC channels in their packages. Scotland would raise its own licence fee, and operate its own spectrum, transmitters and broadcasting authority. The SNP think they can come to some arrangement similar to Eire though.

[The_Flash 1,144]

So Scottish athletes won't be able to compete at Olympics, they are going to set up guarded borders between England and Scotland and we CANT have the pound.

Yes people are crazy they are going to destroy Scotland and a wonderful 300 year union

[Sidzeret 2,257]

  On 07/09/2014 at 19:44, The_Flash said:

So Scottish athletes won't be able to compete at Olympics, they are going to set up guarded borders between England and Scotland and we CANT have the pound.

Yes people are crazy they are going to destroy Scotland and a wonderful 300 year union

I think the Union might want Murray on their side.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Found this on Twitter (in response to the news of Kate's pregnancy):

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[Fulham Broadway 17,114]

Owen Jones- ‘I have never had an interest in defending the union’

TRANSLATION:-

‘I have always had an interest in re-positioning my principles for personal political and financial gain’

Scotland just might save us from being dragged into the war that US-EU-NATO is planning against Russia- ‘Horse kicks apple cart’?

[Blue Lion 5]

  On 07/09/2014 at 09:04, Parky said:

This reminds me of the Australian republic referendum a decade ago. it failed but I do see Australia becoming a republic in my lifetime. Australia is separated by a great distance with no real benefits from staying with the Commonwealth. We as a country will become stronger and wealthier by aligning us closer to our Asian neighbours.

But the UK and Scotland is a whole different ball game and I don't have the knowledge to have an opinion. Whatever the result it will make a great topic for a documentary. IF it does become an interdependent Scotland than maybe it be closer to the AUS & NZ alliance. NZ doesn't have a real army and we act as a bigger brother yet they have they own constitution & currency plus we can live in either country without a visa.

Yeah agree with that. Aust will be republic within 10 years

[Fulham Broadway 17,114]

Cameron, Clegg, Milliband, Prescott, all gone to Scotland today in last ditch attempt for a No vote.

Many working class in Scotland have a once in a lifetime opportunity to get rid of the tories for ever, and see that as attractive. They are sick of, as are a lot in England and Wales, minimum wage zero hours jobs, and foodbanks in one of the richest countries in the World. They see Socialist Salmond as a saviour.

Polls neck and neck at the moment, couldnt be closer