🇧🇷 Willian

[Superblue 6,372]

2 minutes ago, Vesper said:

and now they are talking about a 2 year (not 1) extension, grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

ffs 

Chelsea seek treble contract boost as they enter talks with Willian, Tammy Abraham and Reece James over new long-term deals with all three set for significant first-team roles next season

Willian, Tammy Abraham and Reece James are in all line for contract extensions
All three players are expected to play a significant role for Chelsea next season 
Chelsea officials are confident that Willian will agree to a new two-year contract
James is also set to land a new deal after Chelsea rejected several bids for him
They are also keen to extend Abraham's existing deal, which expires in 2022

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7315189/Chelsea-target-treble-contract-boost-Willian-Tammy-Abraham-Reece-James.html

I take this as a two year contract not two year extension. As he still has a year left on his contract at present, it would effectively be a one year extension which I would be in agreement with because we still have him under contract at the end of the season, whether it's having him for another year because he has performed well enough this coming season, or still retaining a transfer fee to sell him next summer.

If it's a two year extension (i.e. 3 year contract essentially) then that would definitely be too much.

[Vesper 30,207]

3 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

I take this as a two year contract not two year extension. As he still has a year left on his contract at present, it would effectively be a one year extension which I would be in agreement with because we still have him under contract at the end of the season, whether it's having him for another year because he has performed well enough this coming season, or still retaining a transfer fee to sell him next summer.

If it's a two year extension (i.e. 3 year contract essentially) then that would definitely be too much.

I do not think that is correct. I read it as he will sign a new 2 year contract, meaning 2 years on top of this year. Why would they include an already contracted year into a statement?  If he was only adding one more year onto this one, it would say that.

I hope you are right and I am wrong.

[Superblue 6,372]

1 minute ago, Vesper said:

I do not think that is correct. I read it as he will sign a new 2 year contract, meaning 2 years on top of this year. Why would they include an already contracted year into a statement?  If he was only adding one more year onto this one, it would say that.

I hope you are right and I am wrong.

Because it is usually worded in the press as an extension if it's added to the existing contract.

I read a 2 year contract as a 2 year contract, nothing more.

I guess we'll see when it's all finalised. Hopefully it's just a 2 year deal.

[Jase 43,479]

2 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

Because it is usually worded in the press as an extension if it's added to the existing contract.

I read a 2 year contract as a 2 year contract, nothing more.

I guess we'll see when it's all finalised. Hopefully it's just a 2 year deal.

Pretty sure it's that. For example, Hazard signed a five-year contract when he joined in June 2012 and then in February 2015, he signed a five-and-a-half year contract extension. His initial contract was meant to expire in the summer of 2017 and the extension extended it by 3 years. It wasn't five years added after 2017. They usually add the extension length on top of the remaining contract length left. 

[Vesper 30,207]

20 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

Because it is usually worded in the press as an extension if it's added to the existing contract.

I read a 2 year contract as a 2 year contract, nothing more.

I guess we'll see when it's all finalised. Hopefully it's just a 2 year deal.

I literally, whether in football or any other endeavour in life, have never heard of an announced two year contract that included a contracted year already existing, so in effect it is just a 1 year extension. If you could point me to such a deal, it would help your case.

Multiple reports call it a 2 year extension, btw.

 

Chelsea fans furious with 2-year contract for Willian amid No 10 jersey row

https://www.legit.ng/1250922-fans-furious-2-year-contract-extension-brazilian-no-10-jersey-row.html

Chelsea fans are unhappy Willian is set to sign new two-year deal despite No 10 shirt controversy - The Brazilian is currently on vacation after representing his country at Copa America 2019 - Willian is in the final 12 months of his contract at Stamford Bridge

Willian, Chelsea star, is reportedly closing in on a 2-year extension at Stamford Bridge-but Blues fans are unhappy with the development. According to UK Sun citing Times, the Selecao midfielder is in the final 12 months of his contract at Stamford Bridge, but the Brazilian is still on vacation after representing his nation at the 2019 Copa America. 

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if you are right (you are saying it means his NEW contract ends in 2021), why would this go into the only one year deal if you are over 30 stance?

Chelsea news: Willian reportedly on the verge of signing new two-year deal at the club

Chelsea have previously had a policy of only handing one-year deals to players aged over 30 but their transfer ban has caused the club to go back on their principles

https://talksport.com/football/558770/chelsea-willian-close-new-two-year-deal/

 

 

Willian latest: New contract 'agreed', no.10 shirt claim, Brazilian sends message to Lampard

https://www.football.london/chelsea-fc/transfer-news/willian-new-chelsea-contract-latest-16451628

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It is reported that Willian is after a two year extension to his deal, where the club are only willing to offer him one further year due to his age.

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'KILL ME' 

Chelsea fans slam ‘terrible’ news that Willian’s set to sign new two-year deal despite No10 shirt gaffe

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/9579666/chelsea-willian-contract-two-years/

WILLIAN is reportedly set to pen a two-year contract extension at Chelsea - and their fans are not happy.

The Brazilian is entering his final year at Stamford Bridge but is yet to return to the squad for pre-season.

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[Jase 43,479]

15 minutes ago, Vesper said:

I literally, whether in football or any other endeavour in life, have never heard of an announced two year contract that included a contracted year already existing, so in effect it is just a 1 year extension. If you could point me to such a deal, it would help your case.

Multiple reports call it a 2 year extension, btw

This.

23 minutes ago, Jason said:

Pretty sure it's that. For example, Hazard signed a five-year contract when he joined in June 2012 and then in February 2015, he signed a five-and-a-half year contract extension. His initial contract was meant to expire in the summer of 2017 and the extension extended it by 3 years. It wasn't five years added after 2017. They usually add the extension length on top of the remaining contract length left. 

 

[Jase 43,479]

@Superblue_1986 @Vesper Another example is Kante. Signed a five-year deal when he joined in 2016, which would take him up to 2021. But last year, 2018 he signed a five-year extension, taking him till 2023. The extension merely extended the expiry by 2 years. It's not 5 years added with the initial 5.

[Superblue 6,372]

I'm literally just taking it at face value. To me a new 2 year is a 2 year contract.

https://www.chelseafc.com/en/news/2019/07/15/mason-mount-commits-to-chelsea-with-new-contract-signed?cardIndex=15-6

Chelsea stated Mason Mount has signed a new 5 year contract. That's not a 5 year extension to his existing deal, it's a new 5 year contract that runs for 5 years, superseding the previous contract.

[Vesper 30,207]

2 minutes ago, Jason said:

This.

 

that was a massive pay raise as well. Willian is already on £120K per week (same as Drinkwater)

maybe they will bump him up higher, but that will make him almost impossible to sell next summer, when he turns 32

almost every article I have seen for months is talking about an EXTENSION of two years

IF we get him to accept a re-do and for it (a new '2 year contract') to end in 2021 then that is fine, as long as the wages do not explode

if they do, we are going to be stuck with him and he will walk on a free in 2021

nightmare that we did not sell him for £65m last summer and upgrade with a better, younger player

 

[Jase 43,479]

2 minutes ago, Vesper said:

that was a massive pay raise as well. Willian is already on £120K per week (same as Drinkwater)

maybe they will bump him up higher, but that will make him almost impossible to sell next summer, when he turns 32

almost every article I have seen for months is talking about an EXTENSION of two years

IF we get him to accept a re-do and for it (a new '2 year contract') to end in 2021 then that is fine, as long as the wages do not explode

if they do, we are going to be stuck with him and he will walk on a free in 2021

nightmare that we did not sell him for £65m last summer and upgrade with a better, younger player

That's Hazard/Kante. This is Willian.

Not sure why you're full-blown panicking when it's not even confirmed yet but it's funny though.  

[Vesper 30,207]

7 minutes ago, Jason said:

@Superblue_1986 @Vesper Another example is Kante. Signed a five-year deal when he joined in 2016, which would take him up to 2021. But last year, 2018 he signed a five-year extension, taking him till 2023. The extension merely extended the expiry by 2 years. It's not 5 years added with the initial 5.

Both Eden and Kante had multiple years left when their contracts (and hear is the key word) were renegotiated (and lengthened).

Willian's contract expires in around 10 months, 3 weeks.

They only way I can see him coming down and accepting a (what is in effect) 12 month extension plus wage re-do as if we are talking a massive salary increase. THAT fucks us hard in terms of selling him next summer. It basically means we will have a 31yo this year, and a 32yo next season who is on massive wages and is unsalable, THEN walks on a free in 2021. It is gross mismanagement yet again.

[Jase 43,479]

Just now, Vesper said:

Both Eden and Kante had multiple years left when their contracts (and hear is the key word) were renegotiated (and lengthened).

Willian's contract expires in around 10 months, 3 weeks.

They only way I can see him coming down and accepting a (what is in effect) 12 month extension plus wage re-do as if we are talking a massive salary increase. THAT fucks us hard in terms of selling him next summer. It basically means we will have a 31yo this year, and a 32yo next season who is on massive wages and is unsalable, THEN walks on a free in 2021. It is gross mismanagement yet again.

When in doubt, sell to China. 

[Vesper 30,207]

4 minutes ago, Jason said:

That's Hazard/Kante. This is Willian.

Not sure why you're full-blown panicking when it's not even confirmed yet but it's funny though.  

I am not panicking at all, I just think that we are talking about extending his contract to 2022, not 2021. 2022 with same wages makes his sale much more likely next summer. Try unloading a 32yo winger who is on, say £175K or so a week and who's contract expires in less than a year who is NOT named Messi or CR7.

[Jase 43,479]

Just now, Vesper said:

I am not panicking at all, I just think that we are talking about extending his contract to 2022, not 2021. 2022 with same wages makes his sale much more likely net summer. Try unloading a 32yo winger who is on, say £175K or so a week who is NOT named Messi or CR7.

Okay, maybe the right expression is "freaking out".  

[Vesper 30,207]

Just now, Jason said:

Okay, maybe the right expression is "freaking out".  

No, I am arguing the actual length that is being discussed.

[Superblue 6,372]

36 minutes ago, Vesper said:

They only way I can see him coming down and accepting a (what is in effect) 12 month extension plus wage re-do as if we are talking a massive salary increase. THAT fucks us hard in terms of selling him next summer. It basically means we will have a 31yo this year, and a 32yo next season who is on massive wages and is unsalable, THEN walks on a free in 2021. It is gross mismanagement yet again.

There is an argument for the club potentially keeping him for another 2 years. We can't rebuild everything in one window and, if we're talking focusing on 2 or 3 players next summer and spending top money to get top players in, replacing Willian wouldn't be a priority for me. Striker, left back and possibly centre back would all be before this.

We have to make sure we don't make the mistakes of the summer 2017 window trying to stretch our transfer budget over too many players because it will impact the quality we can pick up. I'd far rather be looking at a top striker next summer and then someone like Sancho the following summer, than next summer buying two much cheaper and inferior players for those positions.

The hope is that CHO and Pulisic develop over this season into two high quality wingers and bringing in a top drawer wide player is not a priority as a result. Also to be noted that Pedro's contract is up next summer also, so if we had to bring in a new wide player it may be decided to dispose of Pedro next summer and Willian the following summer.

[Vesper 30,207]

17 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

There is an argument for the club potentially keeping him for another 2 years. We can't rebuild everything in one window and, if we're talking focusing on 2 or 3 players next summer and spending top money to get top players in, replacing Willian wouldn't be a priority for me. Striker, left back and possibly centre back would all be before this.

We have to make sure we don't make the mistakes of the summer 2017 window trying to stretch our transfer budget over too many players because it will impact the quality we can pick up. I'd far rather be looking at a top striker next summer and then someone like Sancho the following summer, than next summer buying two much cheaper and inferior players for those positions.

The hope is that CHO and Pulisic develop over this season into two high quality wingers and bringing in a top drawer wide player is not a priority as a result. Also to be noted that Pedro's contract is up next summer also, so if we had to bring in a new wide player it may be decided to dispose of Pedro next summer and Willian the following summer.

I run the numbers here (and this is IF we went full billy big bollocks and made a play for Mbappe, take him off consideration and we have half billion quid or more to play with IF we bloody start selling, and obviously it doesn't all have to happen in one window)

 

[LAM09 7,061]

Him or CHO will get it when willy leaves. Willian done way more and won way more to date.


Again its just a number who cares and we have a transfer ban so need him

CHO could be gone before Willian retires at this rate.

[Hutcho 8,443]

Lampard doesn't care about squad numbers age or anything like that so the number means nothing. CHO won't leave because Willian is here.

So yeah I don't get the outrage but each to their own

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