Sir Alex Ferguson Thread

[BlueSanti 290]

The funny thing is most of those things now apply to RDM. Under him we won 2 of our last 8 games and with Man city and Fulham coming up, there's every chance of that bad run continuing. We got destroyed in Italy yet again, and lost to West brom yet again.

I'm pretty sure he was fired because Roman decided to act quicker this time, and not let things get as bad as they did under AVB - where we fell to 5th and needed to win CL to make the competition this season. If at the end of the season we end up in the top 4 then he would have been justified, whether anyone likes it or not.

I am pretty sure Roman decided to act even more stupid this time and acted disgracefully to the legend.

[Manuf 1,448]

Yes he didn't lose as many as AVB, but we certainly were not headed in the right direction. The CL group was tough no doubt, but with our bad form in the league and likely elimination in the CL, things could get very very bad before January.

The CL is not in our hands anymore. We need other team to change our situation, nothing Benitez can fix. I wouldn't say our form in the league was "that" bad. We fucked few games, but we could handle the situation until January. We always go through bad period in November/December and Robbie was the only manager fired for that. And I'm not saying he should get a whole season, as I know that football clubs are also investments now, but 2 weeks until the CWC or some time after January window wouldn't change our situation so dramatically.

[BlueSanti 290]

Well if Mourinho did help Cech with his ball contribution that he should hang his head in shame, becuase that's the only thing Cech's been criticized for.

The man we should be thankful for polishing Mikel is Carlo Ancelotti. He was the man who helped John reach the higher level.

Lampard was chosen as the 2nd best player in the world, behind Henry, the season before Mourinho took charge. Can't say Jose made him world-class either.

Of course Robbie didn't build the last year's team. He gave them confidence, hunger and passion. He collected everything all the previous managers worked on and put the best team possible that night. It wasn't a pretty victory, but a glorious one after all. It's biased to credit how this man changed the whole season to managers who worked few years back.

@edit - excuse me, I made an error above. He was chosen 2nd best player in the PL, not the world.

Altough that I agree with your post I have to add something. Lampard was also selected as 2nd best Europen player in 2005; just behind Ronaldino.

[The only place to be 11,313]

Well if Mourinho did help Cech with his ball contribution that he should hang his head in shame, becuase that's the only thing Cech's been criticized for.

The man we should be thankful for polishing Mikel is Carlo Ancelotti. He was the man who helped John reach the higher level.

Lampard was chosen as the 2nd best player in the world, behind Henry, the season before Mourinho took charge. Can't say Jose made him world-class either.

Of course Robbie didn't build the last year's team. He gave them confidence, hunger and passion. He collected everything all the previous managers worked on and put the best team possible that ni

Ight. It wasn't a pretty victory, but a glorious one after all. It's biased to credit how this man changed the whole season to managers who worked few years back.

It's not biased - it's just a recognition of Jose's importance at the club then and now. I personally think Di Matteo went back to what the key players knew and that was the pragmatic approach of Mourinho.

I also don'r recall Lamps getting that recognition until after Mourinho arrived but I'd have to check.

Also Cech's distribution serves a purpose - if you look at what he's done recently it's incorporated a lot more short kicks to one of the two defenders or Mikel much like they do at Barca.

[Joker10 946]

The funny thing is most of those things now apply to RDM. Under him we won 2 of our last 8 games and with Man city and Fulham coming up, there's every chance of that bad run continuing. We got destroyed in Italy yet again, and lost to West brom yet again.

I'm pretty sure he was fired because Roman decided to act quicker this time, and not let things get as bad as they did under AVB - where we fell to 5th and needed to win CL to make the competition this season. If at the end of the season we end up in the top 4 then he would have been justified, whether anyone likes it or not.

That is extremely low standard. So all Rafa has to do is not fuck up?

[Manuf 1,448]

Altough that I agree with your post I have to add something. Lampard was also selected as 2nd best Europen player in 2005; just behind Ronaldino.

yeah but it was after the season Mourinho took charge so I didn't want to sound as Jose had nothing to do with Lamps being the player he is. I think that saying best European player should be counted as the best player in the World

[The only place to be 11,313]

I am pretty sure Roman decided to act even more stupid this time and acted disgracefully to the legend.

The one thing I don't think Roman is, is stupid. He's made a brave decision (and it is brave because he knows how the fans feel about Benitez) to do what he thinks is best for the club until the end of the season.

Answer this one question - did you feel more hopeful for this game against Man City knowing Benitez was in charge, or knowing Di Matteo was in charge?

[BlueSanti 290]

Actually, Fergie has 'only' one CWC title (+ one Intercontinental Cup) so he probably can't stand the idea that Benitez would have more than him.

If I was working so hard like Ferguson I would also be pissed if some cunt won it without even doing anything. Just saying that even if he said it because of this reason I do not wonder at all.

[The only place to be 11,313]

If I was working so hard like Ferguson I would also be pissed if some cunt won it without even doing anything.

Because that's why Fergie is saying it.

[Manuf 1,448]

It's not biased - it's just a recognition of Jose's importance at the club then and now. I personally think Di Matteo went back to what the key players knew and that was the pragmatic approach of Mourinho.

I also don'r recall Lamps getting that recognition until after Mourinho arrived but I'd have to check.

Also Cech's distribution serves a purpose - if you look at what he's done recently it's incorporated a lot more short kicks to one of the two defenders or Mikel much like they do at Barca.

I'm not saying Jose wasn't important, I really consider him as THE most important manager in our history, but Roberto deserves majority of the credit for that CL win. What I think Robbie did was not great tactical approach to the game but bringing the heart back after that terrible spell with Andre.

Yep, Lamps was already considered one of the best midfielders out there, that's why Mourinho planned the midfield around him.

The Cech's distribution nowadays is far different to what he did under Mourinho. We don't have many tall players nowadays so we have to play it from the back.

That is extremely low standard. So all Rafa has to do is not fuck up?

do you really feel he was brought here till the end of the season to make some kind of a wonder? of course he's just a filling for the gap between we get a proper manager.

[BlueSanti 290]

yeah but it was after the season Mourinho took charge so I didn't want to sound as Jose had nothing to do with Lamps being the player he is. I think that saying best European player should be counted as the best player in the World

Thats was exactlly my point mate. Even though Mourinho didn't 'create' Super Frank he also had his contribution in it.

And yeah you are right; I just wanted to be precise :-)

[BlueSanti 290]

Because that's why Fergie is saying it.

Did you read the whole thing or just picked some parts?

[Manuf 1,448]

The one thing I don't think Roman is, is stupid. He's made a brave decision (and it is brave because he knows how the fans feel about Benitez) to do what he thinks is best for the club until the end of the season.

Answer this one question - did you feel more hopeful for this game against Man City knowing Benitez was in charge, or knowing Di Matteo was in charge?

tbh my feeling about this game hasn't changed a tiny bit because I always believe we can outperform any team in the world.

[The only place to be 11,313]

Did you read the whole thing or just picked some parts?

I've read your contribution to this thread as well as you telling our new manager to fuck off.

Personally, I'm trying to be positive about the team I love.

[Sheva. 5,373]

The CL is not in our hands anymore. We need other team to change our situation, nothing Benitez can fix. I wouldn't say our form in the league was "that" bad. We fucked few games, but we could handle the situation until January. We always go through bad period in November/December and Robbie was the only manager fired for that. And I'm not saying he should get a whole season, as I know that football clubs are also investments now, but 2 weeks until the CWC or some time after January window wouldn't change our situation so dramatically.

But what makes you so sure? i thought at the beginning of the season we won't go through this slump, but i've been proved wrong. And nothing in the past few games, especially the way we have been defending, makes me think we could have turned it around soon.

I am pretty sure Roman decided to act even more stupid this time and acted disgracefully to the legend.

Sure, but he did it with the best interests of the team at mind. It sucks because i really liked RDM, even more so when he stopped playing Ramires on the wings, but this is football, results is all that matter.

That is extremely low standard. So all Rafa has to do is not fuck up?

Yeah it is, but that's just my opinion. Maybe they expect more from him like top 3, fa cup and cwc.

[BlueSanti 290]

The one thing I don't think Roman is, is stupid. He's made a brave decision (and it is brave because he knows how the fans feel about Benitez) to do what he thinks is best for the club until the end of the season.

Answer this one question - did you feel more hopeful for this game against Man City knowing Benitez was in charge, or knowing Di Matteo was in charge?

Well I want to add that most of brave actions are as matter of fact actually stupid when you look at them. And I did not said that Roman is stupid; I said that he acted even more stupid this time. I would be gald if you didn't put words in my mouth.

To the question itself. I really didn't think about it and I can't answer that question truly; sacking Di Matteo was something I didn't expect and it came - literally - out of nothing.

[Manuf 1,448]

I've read your contribution to this thread as well as you telling our new manager to fuck off.

Personally, I'm trying to be positive about the team I love.

here's what Mourinho said about Lamps after working with him for only 1 year: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/137300/Chelsea-4-Blackburn-2.html

Everybody tries to stay positive but the discussion was about Fergie's words who happened to be true this one time. Robbie deserved to go to Japan for that trophy. That's it. The board could have waited another 2 weeks. There are only 5 matches between today and the CWC. Four of them being Fulham, West Ham, Sunderland and FC Nordsjaelland which I think we would have won with Robbie.

[Manuf 1,448]

But what makes you so sure? i thought at the beginning of the season we won't go through this slump, but i've been proved wrong. And nothing in the past few games, especially the way we have been defending, makes me think we could have turned it around soon.

do you really think that appointing Benitez will change how our defence makes mistakes every now and then?

[Sheva. 5,373]

do you really think that appointing Benitez will change how our defence makes mistakes every now and then?

Yes actually. That's the one thing i have confidence in with him. He has always been known to value defensive organization, plus the fact his Liverpool side never conceded many goals.

We on the other hand, have conceded something like 20 in the past 10 games

[Manuf 1,448]

Yes actually. That's the one thing i have confidence in with him. He has always been known to value defensive organization, plus the fact his Liverpool side never conceded many goals.

We have conceded something like 20 in the past 10 games

I would attribute that horrific to individual errors of our players, but oh well.