Oscar

[Essien19 1,415]

Pity it took Mourinho about 3 years to notice. 

the club without Mou thought it would be better to keep hold of him despite putting pressure on him to take the deal during the last transfer window

Mou made a mistake, but it seems that the club continued, that's not on Jose.

KdB is the better player but perhaps not the better person, but yes, one big fail!

[LDN Blue 7,903]

11 minutes ago, Essien19 said:

Mou made a mistake, but it seems that the club continued, that's not on Jose

I had no problem in Mourinho's decision to get rid of Mata and keep Oscar. That decision was his alone and it's the decisions he's paid to make - Unfortunately it didn't work out, Oscar's continued to fail to reach up to his potential and has honestly been riding off that sublime match v Juventus, 4 years ago . If I give Arsenal fans shit for Wilshere having a one off game v Barcelona and riding that, then Oscar's no exception to the rule.

I'm sure he'll thrive in a new environment, where he'll feel love and adored (by someone else who isn't his sister..).

[Styles 9,790]

2 minutes ago, LDN Blue said:

I had no problem in Mourinho's decision to get rid of Mata and keep Oscar. That decision was his alone and it's the decisions he's paid to make - Unfortunately it didn't work out, Oscar's continued to fail to reach up to his potential and has honestly been riding off that sublime match v Juventus, 4 years ago . If I give Arsenal fans shit for Wilshere having a one off game v Barcelona and riding that, then Oscar's no exception to the rule.

I'm sure he'll thrive in a new environment, where he'll feel love and adored (by someone else who isn't his sister..).

[robsblubot 3,530]

On March 5, 2016 at 9:09 AM, Stats said:

Who remembers when people used to say Oscar was better than Willian?

He still will continue to get in the Brazil squad/team no matter what.

I remember people saying the same things they say of Oscar today of Willian back then; Willian also used to produce very little in terms of end result, but that has changed in the last couple of seasons. Oscar used to have more assists and goals than Willian .

point being is that a lot can change in a couple of seasons and Willian is/was older than Oscar.

I also think he needs to leave because he hasn't been able to contribute coming off the bench or starting.

just don't be surprised if he does improve and become a good player elsewhere.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

Pointless to bring up such times as well. 

It can be sugarcoated as much as people try but Willian was pretty woeful prior to 2015 and it was true that Oscar was showing a lot more than Willian in an attacking threat. Let's not forget that alarming statistic that Willian would score per 1,000 minutes .. The lad always 'worked hard', but it's only of the last 12 months he's become who he is. 

Oscar, meanwhile, shows no signs of that. His off-the-ball work rate is as dire as is his work on it! 

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11 minutes ago, LDN Blue said:

Pointless to bring up such times as well. 

It can be sugarcoated as much as people try but Willian was pretty woeful prior to 2015 and it was true that Oscar was showing a lot more than Willian in an attacking threat. Let's not forget that alarming statistic that Willian would score per 1,000 minutes .. The lad always 'worked hard', but it's only of the last 12 months he's become who he is. 

Oscar, meanwhile, shows no signs of that. His off-the-ball work rate is as dire as is his work on it! 

Well that's the strangest thing to me: not even the work rate is there.

that used to be the only thing he could consistently bring when on the pitch - not anymore.

[Special Juan 27,439]

Willian always had pace and technique...All the traits to play 2 positions. Oscar had that strike v Juventus and a tag of a good 'team balancer'

[Stats 7,059]

2 hours ago, Robguima said:

I remember people saying the same things they say of Oscar today of Willian back then; Willian also used to produce very little in terms of end result, but that has changed in the last couple of seasons. Oscar used to have more assists and goals than Willian .

point being is that a lot can change in a couple of seasons and Willian is/was older than Oscar.

I also think he needs to leave because he hasn't been able to contribute coming off the bench or starting.

just don't be surprised if he does improve and become a good player elsewhere.

Only stats made Oscar look better than Willian but Willian was and is still a much better player. Yes, Oscar had better stats than him but it was clear for me when watching the two, who the better player was. Willian was a lot wasteful then but it did not change the fact that he was better than Oscar and contributed more to the team.

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1 hour ago, Stats said:

Only stats made Oscar look better than Willian but Willian was and is still a much better player. Yes, Oscar had better stats than him but it was clear for me when watching the two, who the better player was. Willian was a lot wasteful then but it did not change the fact that he was better than Oscar and contributed more to the team.

Passing is a pretty important skill in football and Oscar is very good at it. The best one twos I've seen had Oscar and hazard.

ironically, Willian is criticized in Brazil for not producing anything in the final third.

back to Oscar, reckon he'd do very well in a possession system with lots of movement and quick exchanges. Suspect we will find out soon enough as I do think he will leave in the summer.

again, just don't be surprised when turns out he's not the quack some here predicted; it has happened before.

[Mustafa 885]

The biggest myth of a footballer lmao... His whole entire career has lived off a couple goals against Juve in 2012. 

 

HE was the only player to survive from a trio of Mata, De Bruyne and himself.  

 

 

 

Possibly the biggest cancer in our squad.

[Yeboii 1,844]

17 hours ago, Mustafa said:

The biggest myth of a footballer lmao... His whole entire career has lived off a couple goals against Juve in 2012. 

 

HE was the only player to survive from a trio of Mata, De Bruyne and himself.  

 

 

 

Possibly the biggest cancer in our squad.

Pretty much because he performed better in games than they both. KdB was woeful in some games!
Probably did more in practice as well. Mourinho slated KdB for being woeful in practice as well.

Maybe he needs competition in order to light a fire up his ass and make him perform!

[LAM09 6,783]

It's been downhill since his debut.

[Mustafa 885]

1 hour ago, Yeboii said:

Pretty much because he performed better in games than they both. KdB was woeful in some games!
Probably did more in practice as well. Mourinho slated KdB for being woeful in practice as well.

Maybe he needs competition in order to light a fire up his ass and make him perform!

Oscar has been nothing short of average ever since the second half of that Juve game in 2012. He's one of the many players in our squad at this current moment that I seriously don't understand what purpose they serve us.. at all. 

Jose is an imbecile. How on God's green earth you can think for one second that Oscar is a #10... a #10 is acc beyond me and it seriously irritates me, physically lol. I don't care how "woeful" KdB was/is in training session, you can just tell when a player is a #10. And when a player is not. I've never ever seen Oscar as a #10. He doesn't have the skill set. He doesn't have the technique. He's a grafter... convenient right? For Jose's Chelsea. What a joke. He disassembled a team full of player's with star quality and technical superiority and kept a core of players that excel in running at full pace for 90 mins. And he dubbed Oscar, "his number 10" lmao what a joke.

The sooner he leaves the club the better imo

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4 hours ago, Mustafa said:

Oscar has been nothing short of average ever since the second half of that Juve game in 2012. He's one of the many players in our squad at this current moment that I seriously don't understand what purpose they serve us.. at all. 

Jose is an imbecile. How on God's green earth you can think for one second that Oscar is a #10... a #10 is acc beyond me and it seriously irritates me, physically lol. I don't care how "woeful" KdB was/is in training session, you can just tell when a player is a #10. And when a player is not. I've never ever seen Oscar as a #10. He doesn't have the skill set. He doesn't have the technique. He's a grafter... convenient right? For Jose's Chelsea. What a joke. He disassembled a team full of player's with star quality and technical superiority and kept a core of players that excel in running at full pace for 90 mins. And he dubbed Oscar, "his number 10" lmao what a joke.

The sooner he leaves the club the better imo

That's probably why he conviniently wears #8 and not #10, because our playmaker, who has the freedom to create and invent is hazard, not Oscar.

just because Oscar plays centralized does not make him a #10. Jose and all his stupidity, stupidity that earns him millions, merely attempted and managed! To balance the team.

if one thing changed this season was the our #10, our playmaker and adored player around here decided that for one reason or another, he was not going to play for Chelsea any more.

Oscar is just another mediocre player we have in the squad. He happens to be one of the youngest of our mediocre players.

Others have been mediocre for a year, or for a decade and yet people come here because Oscar wears an imaginary 10 for club and country.

[Mustafa 885]

4 minutes ago, Robguima said:

That's probably why he conviniently wears #8 and not #10, because our playmaker, who has the freedom to create and invent is hazard, not Oscar.

just because Oscar plays centralized does not make him a #10. Jose and all his stupidity, stupidity that ears him millions, just attempted and managed! To balance the team.

if one thing changed this season was the our #10, our playmaker and adored player around here decided that for one reason or another, he was not going to play for Chelsea any more.

Oscar is just another mediocre player we have in the squad. He happens to be one of the youngest of our mediocre players.

Others have been mediocre for a year, or for a decade and yet people come here because Oscar wears an imaginary 10 for club and country.

 

Quote

"In this moment, Oscar is my No. 10 and, if anyone tells me Oscar has not been Chelsea's best player this season, I'd have to disagree."

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/sep/20/chelsea-jose-mourinho-juan-mata

Jose, first the first day, has seen Oscar as HIS #10. That's the position he wants to play, it's the position he believes he can play and just like you said in your post, he is mediocre. Completely mediocre. 

Also, please don't say Hazard, ALONE is meant to be the player who is expected to create and then go on to say he's decided he's not going to play for Chelsea anymore. You see how (according to you) being the only creator.. from our trio behind the striker in the 2nd season under Jose and the ONLY creator/inventor in 2013/14 because Oscar -Jose's 10- is there to create "balance". You see how that can be a little bit overwhelming.. In a team that spends hundreds of millions of pounds a year on new players? 

Yes, Jose found balance. And Oscar was key to it.. But in the process, he managed to mold those around him to become just as bland, just as defensive minded, just as void of creativity.. 

The only way I can be okay with Oscar being in our squad is when we realize that he is never good enough to start for a club like ours. Never should he be played in this #10 role.. Never should he be considered a star, because he simply is not. If we think he is a star, we should cash in on him right now and rebuild in that position. We can look to buy other players to give us "balance"

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

25 this year and hasn't improved one bit from the 20 year old player we bought.

[Special Juan 27,439]

1 minute ago, Sir Mikel OBE said:

25 this year and hasn't improved one bit from the 20 year old player we bought.

He will be like Mikel, he will stick around forever because there isn't a football person behind the scenes at this club, not one.

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

3 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

He will be like Mikel, he will stick around forever because there isn't a football person behind the scenes at this club, not one.

Hopefully Conte can Mata him out of here.