Adnane 1,101 Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Ah okay, so youre gonna point out the only post where i dont talk about pre season and assume its my whole point ? So childish of you, go back and read my first post, see if i wasnt talking about preseason. Pacquiao 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacquiao 1,834 Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Dude, i'm telling you the guy has taken part in more games than messi and CR7 since 2012 and you're still denting the facts.which part of adnane's post was related to pre-seaosn?? :wank2: like i said "READ". you are the one talking about pre-season which i am not against. but citing "playing more minutes and games than so and so players" (even though the basis of it is wrong) is what i am ridiculing. READ.who said i was refering to anyone else's post? i am talking about pre-season as that is the logical reason that not only i but also Mourinho sees as the reason for Oscar's dip in form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 who said i was refering to anyone else's post? i am talking about pre-season as that is logical reason that not only i but also Mourinho sees as the reason for OScar being inconsistent. did i quote you to begin with? no. you quoted my post, which was in reply to someone giving a completely different argument than yours and you took it as a general statement which is applicable for all scenarios. hmmm.. makes you think, does not it? :wank2: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adnane 1,101 Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Oh and WTF, the whole argument is around his implication with club AND country and youre just ASSUMING the others have had as mich minutes in NT ? He has played 43 games for brazil since 2012. Willian 20, messi 33 and CR 35. Go count the minutes and compare the whole lot ( club + nt ), add the lack of preseason.If u come after that and still tell me fatigue isnt the problem then you just dont want to admit. Pacquiao 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Pacquiao 1,834 Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 did i quote you to begin with? no. you quoted my post, which was in reply to someone giving a completely different argument than yours and you took it as a general statement which is applicable for all scenarios. hmmm.. makes you think, does not it? :wank2: i quoted your post to educate you as you clearly didnt know Brazil's games leading up to the WC were not frendlies, you even tried to compare friendlies to training sessions which i had to ignore for my own sanity. but continue to ignore Oscar's lack of pre-season and keep talking about minutes played which is completely irrelevant if you dont take the lack of pre-season into account. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacquiao 1,834 Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Oh and WTF, the whole argument is around his implication with club AND country and youre just ASSUMING the others have had as mich minutes in NT ?He has played 43 games for brazil since 2012. Willian 20, messi 33 and CR 35.Go count the minutes and compare the whole lot ( club + nt ), add the lack of preseason.If u come after that and still tell me fatigue isnt the problem then you just dont want to admit.BOOM . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Oh and WTF, the whole argument is around his implication with club AND country and youre just ASSUMING the others have had as mich minutes in NT ?He has played 43 games for brazil since 2012. Willian 20, messi 33 and CR 35.Go count the minutes and compare the whole lot ( club + nt ), add the lack of preseason.If u come after that and still tell me fatigue isnt the problem then you just dont want to admit.i have already given you the minutes for clubs.so even if i take that the matches you have given are true, i would expect messi and CR to complete all the matches since they are messi and CR.so oscar has 10 more than messi and 8 more than CR meaning 900 more than messi (max) and 720 more than CR.these were the stats for clubs.oscar - 10095messi - 12878CR - 13291.so you can count and calculate it and tell me if by any scenario you get it greater than messi and CR' numbers. random opinions and posts as well as stats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 i quoted your post to educate you as you clearly didnt know Brazil's games leading up to the WC were not frendlies, you even tried to compare friendlies to training sessions which i had to ignore for my own sanity. but continue to ignore Oscar's lack of pre-season and keep talking about minutes played which is completely irrelevant if you dont take the lack of pre-season into account. haha... and before even reading your post, i had written to adnane about brazil's friendlies. which makes u nothing more than a troll.hahaha... again with the lack of pre-season. why are you so hell bent on putting words in my mouth. in all the debate today, where once have i said that pre-season would not matter. or you runing out of material? i guess you should go back to pedro thread and continue getting owned there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacquiao 1,834 Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Minutes played since start of Oscar's careerMessi - 16921Oscar - 20664and Oscar hasnt had a pre-season for 4 straight years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacquiao 1,834 Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 haha... and before even reading your post, i had written to adnane about brazil's friendlies. which makes u nothing more than a troll.hahaha... again with the lack of pre-season. why are you so hell bent on putting words in my mouth. in all the debate today, where once have i said that pre-season would not matter. or you runing out of material? i guess you should go back to pedro thread and continue getting owned there. Right here.what?so the lack of pre season in june and july affects oscar form in jan? 6months later. that has got to be the weirdest theories i have heard. and thats saying a lot when talking about oscar.nso you were saying? :clown: jmarlow 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adnane 1,101 Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 I made the calculations for NT AND CLUB. Btw im comparing with willian, cr and messi isbt relevant, i was juqt giving the example that they are the guys who play the most in europe and he is pretty close to that. So since 2012, NT + club Willian 10 494 minsOscar 13 267 mins That's 2773 minutes more. Which means 924 minutes more on average per year ( /3 ). That's 10 games more of 90 minutes. Don't you think it causes fatigue for a guy who hasn't had a proper pre season for 3 years now ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Right here.so you were saying? :clown: hahahahaha,... READ.. R E A D... PLEASE TRY AND DO THAT ONCE IN A WHILE...in all the debate today, where once have i said that pre-season would not matter...you were barking? saying.. :clown: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adnane 1,101 Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Remember, im comparing to Willian because you were referin'g to him as the perfect example of why fatigue cant be an excuse !! ( so dont come around telling me Hy isnt it about cr and messi anymore, because i can see you coming, lets stick to the main point here ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adnane 1,101 Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 hahahahaha,... READ.. R E A D... PLEASE TRY AND DO THAT ONCE IN A WHILE...in all the debate today, where once have i said that pre-season would not matter...you were barking? saying.. :clown: What you were exactly saying is you cabt believe how lack of pre season from july afects form pn january. Yea thats pretty much the same. Pacquiao 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacquiao 1,834 Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 hahahahaha,... READ.. R E A D... PLEASE TRY AND DO THAT ONCE IN A WHILE...in all the debate today, where once have i said that pre-season would not matter...you were barking? saying.. :clown: thats right try and squiirm your way out of it, you got caught out, take it on the chin. Adnane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adnane 1,101 Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Anyway ive got mu fair share of it, you cant even handle a proper debate, starting to talk avout '' random opinions '' and barking, im not even getting down to your level, they surely do need an age limit here. Have a very nice day. CFC888 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Minutes played since start of Oscar's careerMessi - 16921Oscar - 20664and Oscar hasnt had a pre-season for 4 straight years.http://www.transfermarkt.com/lionel-messi/leistungsdaten/spieler/28003/plus/?saison=2014http://www.transfermarkt.com/lionel-messi/leistungsdaten/spieler/28003/plus/?saison=2012http://www.transfermarkt.com/lionel-messi/leistungsdaten/spieler/28003/plus/?saison=2013http://www.transfermarkt.com/lionel-messi/leistungsdaten/spieler/28003/plus/?saison=2011http://www.transfermarkt.com/lionel-messi/leistungsdaten/spieler/28003/plus/?saison=2010http://www.transfermarkt.com/lionel-messi/leistungsdaten/spieler/28003/plus/?saison=2009http://www.transfermarkt.com/lionel-messi/leistungsdaten/spieler/28003/plus/?saison=2008unbelievable.. absolutely unbelievable. oscar started his career in 08-09. here are messi's stats. and this is just for barca. the heights to which people go to defend oscar is just unbelievable. 14-15 5060 13-14 3740 12-13 4078 11-12 5224 10-11 4583 09-10 4406 08-09 3895 total 30986 The Skipper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacquiao 1,834 Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 http://www.transfermarkt.com/lionel-messi/leistungsdaten/spieler/28003/plus/?saison=2014http://www.transfermarkt.com/lionel-messi/leistungsdaten/spieler/28003/plus/?saison=2012http://www.transfermarkt.com/lionel-messi/leistungsdaten/spieler/28003/plus/?saison=2013http://www.transfermarkt.com/lionel-messi/leistungsdaten/spieler/28003/plus/?saison=2011http://www.transfermarkt.com/lionel-messi/leistungsdaten/spieler/28003/plus/?saison=2010http://www.transfermarkt.com/lionel-messi/leistungsdaten/spieler/28003/plus/?saison=2009http://www.transfermarkt.com/lionel-messi/leistungsdaten/spieler/28003/plus/?saison=2008unbelievable.. absolutely unbelievable. oscar started his career in 08-09. here are messi's stats. and this is just for barca. the heights to which people go to defend oscar is just unbelievable.14-15 5060 13-14 3740 12-13 4078 11-12 5224 10-11 4583 09-10 4406 08-09 3895 total 30986those stats dont cover every game each player has played for club and country Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Remember, im comparing to Willian because you were referin'g to him as the perfect example of why fatigue cant be an excuse !!( so dont come around telling me Hy isnt it about cr and messi anymore, because i can see you coming, lets stick to the main point here )since the matches played 3 years ago is supposedly hurting oscar so much, i would like to go back a year furtherin 11-12 oscar played 1069 minutes http://www.transfermarkt.com/oscar/leistungsdaten/spieler/85314/plus/?saison=2011while willian played 2.890minutes. http://www.transfermarkt.com/willian/leistungsdaten/spieler/52769/plus/?saison=2011damn.. willian must be tired. or is it only for the last 3 years. mybe the body has a 3 year alarm clock. the fatigue excuse in itself is useless. he is as much worked as most players in football who want to be first teamers for a team like chelsea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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