Michael Emenalo (Technical Director, Chelsea)

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...and that's a shame! Hope everything is ok mate.

Likewise! As far as as I'm concerned everything's probably better than what it was when I was posting regularly I'll hopefully deside one fine day to get on a coach and attend an away game (within this year).

It's just that I barely have enough time to watch Chelsea nevermind have discussions around it. My only exposure to Chelsea related arguments comes from twitter so I'd love to follow you there if you've got an account.

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@Theonlyplacetobe & @bushman

I know a few very wealthy men who are naive and foolish, they might not be naive with their profession and what made them rich in the first place. However when it comes to a passion they've wasted, been taken for millions.

If you read my post you'll see that it was qualified. How would you class the billion or so it cost Roman because he fancied a new model/maiden at home - so you see a Billionaire and his money can be quite easily parted. As can his judgement be flawed by a 'pretty young thing'. As have countless others.

We're his football version of a 'pretty young thing'.

Football mis-management came from Roman. He clearly has believed the things preached to him about being able to run a club with the know-nothings, who needed a get rich quick scheme and recognised Roman as being able to fund their futures.

I'd like to respond in greater detail but I've a game to go to, maybe later.

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Emenalo has been in chelsea since 2007 but became director of football in 2011.

Positives -

We started planning more for the future as most of our recent signings(mata, hazard, oscar, azpi, moses, piazon, kdb, lukaku, courtois, etc) point to that fact, especially compared to how it was before (torres, ballack, shevchenko, etc).

The older ones we signed (merieles, benayoun, Ba) were all CHEAP signings to solve present situations at that time. Especially the case of missing out on an original target, (modric) so they filled some gaps in the squad.

We have about 15 young players on loan gaining experience in order to break into chelsea squad as a good talented player. Some of them are a success so far, (Lukaku, Debruyne, chalobah, courtois and hopefully piazon)

They have been given the opportunites to break into chelsea using the same methods sir alex used for welbeck, cleverly, and wenger used for wilshere.

We finally made some profit in accordance with the FFP. Big thanks to RDM for that. We are also up for a deal with a company which will take effect in the records next season to add some profit to us. I never thought we would cope before, but i see some light at the end of the tunnel.

Negatives

Responsible for hiring FSW. He could be blamed for the thin squad we HAD before the january transfer because of afcon and injuries. The fact we had only one striker this season is Ron Goulray's fault and not emenalo. Proof is the comment goulray made about trusting torres at the begining of the season.

In general, i think he was brought in to chip in ideas to cope with FFP, which is one hell of a job on its own, and to help with building a team for the future. Its hard but we are better in terms of money spending than before 2011 when he arrived.

I read somewhere that jose coming back depends on Emenalo stepping down, unfortunately its a no brainer, he should move back to the scouts if that is what it takes to get Jose here.

Our managerial situation is a bigger priority, hence i think emenalo can come back only if jose moves on from us.

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Likewise! As far as as I'm concerned everything's probably better than what it was when I was posting regularly I'll hopefully deside one fine day to get on a coach and attend an away game (within this year).

It's just that I barely have enough time to watch Chelsea nevermind have discussions around it. My only exposure to Chelsea related arguments comes from twitter so I'd love to follow you there if you've got an account.

That's great to hear man :tophat:

I haven't joined the twitter craze just yet haha, I always think I'll end up wasting far more time on there than I should so I've resisted temptation so far lol.

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@Theonlyplacetobe & @bushman

I know a few very wealthy men who are naive and foolish, they might not be naive with their profession and what made them rich in the first place. However when it comes to a passion they've wasted, been taken for millions.

If you read my post you'll see that it was qualified. How would you class the billion or so it cost Roman because he fancied a new model/maiden at home - so you see a Billionaire and his money can be quite easily parted. As can his judgement be flawed by a 'pretty young thing'. As have countless others.

As well as being somewhat misogynistic, that's a little disrespectful to a man who has done a lot for this club when neither you nor I know the full circumstances of the situation. Divorces happen and I'm not one of these people who likes the tabloid intrusion into people's lives and the way complete strangers feel like they can pass judgment with few facts. I don't think it reflects on his judgment in the slightest and is a bit of a cheap shot.

We're his football version of a 'pretty young thing'.

Football mis-management came from Roman. He clearly has believed the things preached to him about being able to run a club with the know-nothings, who needed a get rich quick scheme and recognised Roman as being able to fund their futures.

I'd like to respond in greater detail but I've a game to go to, maybe later.

Again, I think this is a very slanted view. You can judge these guys on their results but passing judgment on their motives as if they're nothing more than caricatures is a bit out of bounds and really adds nothing to the real debate.

I don't buy into the view that they're strippers taking advantage of a wealthy benefactor - I think Roman has made mistakes, and I also think the people who were involved in the early days of his reign (Buck and Kenyon who you seem loathe to assail in even the merest of ways) made mistakes which have had far reaching consequences.

In this thread it would be nice to stick to criticising the results and I'll agree they are a mixed bag but in terms of assessing what is actually under Emenalo's remit, I think things are moving in the right direction.

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As well as being somewhat misogynistic, that's a little disrespectful to a man who has done a lot for this club when neither you nor I know the full circumstances of the situation. Divorces happen and I'm not one of these people who likes the tabloid intrusion into people's lives and the way complete strangers feel like they can pass judgment with few facts. I don't think it reflects on his judgment in the slightest and is a bit of a cheap shot.

Again, I think this is a very slanted view. You can judge these guys on their results but passing judgment on their motives as if they're nothing more than caricatures is a bit out of bounds and really adds nothing to the real debate.

I don't buy into the view that they're strippers taking advantage of a wealthy benefactor - I think Roman has made mistakes, and I also think the people who were involved in the early days of his reign (Buck and Kenyon who you seem loathe to assail in even the merest of ways) made mistakes which have had far reaching consequences.

In this thread it would be nice to stick to criticising the results and I'll agree they are a mixed bag but in terms of assessing what is actually under Emenalo's remit, I think things are moving in the right direction.

You called a view of mine 'absurd' on the basis that Billionaires aren't naive, I qualified that view and gave a perfectly reasonable 'view' of how they can be, I don't know the detail of his personal life and don't want to either, however I think it's a reasonable view and one supported by a number of sources of information at the time.

"Disrespectful" - Get over yourself, you think he's beyond critisism in all this? If his head can be turned by one thing, it can be turned by another, what was given was an example. I don't know him and unless he's your Dad I guess you don't either. He seems to act like a fan (and good on him) and if he is, perhaps he'll act like one i.e. sometimes taking decisions with a passion and heart rather than his head.

I personally think Roman has been poorly advised by people already mentioned and people who haven't generally been mentioned. Grant had far to much influence with Roman and maybe still has. If I'm correct your view is that you seem to think the new people he has with him are better than the last set, I disagree, we're in crisis, f**k me they bring in a manager who was never, ever going to work (and believe me I'm not a person who thought Di Matteo was the long term answer and sings his name every game), if they can't get that simple decision right, and that is who not to bring in, because he'll never be accepted and the anti-feelings about him are so strong it'll make it impossible for the fella, even if he was the messiah.

The results since Emenalo have been generally poor, the worst league form since Roman bought the club. He's the technical director and he takes his share of the blame - fair enough? 3 managers sacked since his appointment into that role, he'd have some part in appointing them? Once in his timeframe is perhaps unlucky, twice is suspect, three times shows that you really shouldn't be doing that part of your job because you're not very good at it.

You have a view (I think) that the future of the club is the youth and that that development is going swimmingly well and part of that is down to him. I've a diametrically opposed view to that and I think he's an imposter of the worst kind.

We'll have to wait and see how it turns out.

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You called a view of mine 'absurd' on the basis that Billionaires aren't naive, I qualified that view and gave a perfectly reasonable 'view' of how they can be, I don't know the detail of his personal life and don't want to either, however I think it's a reasonable view and one supported by a number of sources of information at the time.

I don't think it's 'perfectly reasonable' in the slightest considering the lack of information you, I and the media at large has on the issue. The fact you actually admit you don't know the details should possibly lead you to not passing comment or judgment on it.

"Disrespectful" - Get over yourself, you think he's beyond critisism in all this? If his head can be turned by one thing, it can be turned by another, what was given was an example. I don't know him and unless he's your Dad I guess you don't either. He seems to act like a fan (and good on him) and if he is, perhaps he'll act like one i.e. sometimes taking decisions with a passion and heart rather than his head.

I do not believe he's beyond criticism, hence me criticising him. You're commenting on his personal life and his relationships which is an area he tends to keep secret and you're confusing the issues here. I have no problem with commenting and criticising his ownership of Chelsea, but his relationships and the way he views women (a new model/maiden at home? Come on, really?) are things you aren't qualified to comment on (remember that time you said you don't know the details of his personal life?) and don't really have a place outside a women's gossip mag.

I personally think Roman has been poorly advised by people already mentioned and people who haven't generally been mentioned. Grant had far to much influence with Roman and maybe still has. If I'm correct your view is that you seem to think the new people he has with him are better than the last set, I disagree, we're in crisis, f**k me they bring in a manager who was never, ever going to work (and believe me I'm not a person who thought Di Matteo was the long term answer and sings his name every game), if they can't get that simple decision right, and that is who not to bring in, because he'll never be accepted and the anti-feelings about him are so strong it'll make it impossible for the fella, even if he was the messiah.

I agree with some of that, but obviously I think that we're moving in a positive direction at the moment in regards our recruitment and development of playing staff.

The results since Emenalo have been generally poor, the worst league form since Roman bought the club. He's the technical director and he takes his share of the blame - fair enough? 3 managers sacked since his appointment into that role, he'd have some part in appointing them? Once in his timeframe is perhaps unlucky, twice is suspect, three times shows that you really shouldn't be doing that part of your job because you're not very good at it.

And again, I think it's too early to judge him. AVB and RDM were popular choices brought in under different circumstances and my personal view is that they both failed in part due to mistakes made 3 years before they joined the club. We simply made too many mistakes in the first 7 years of Roman's ownership.

In short, both managers weren't given the best eggs.

You have a view (I think) that the future of the club is the youth and that that development is going swimmingly well and part of that is down to him. I've a diametrically opposed view to that and I think he's an imposter of the worst kind.

We'll have to wait and see how it turns out.

I could not agree more with your final point. We do have to wait and see because we're in the middle of a transition from one way of doing business to another. I don't think it's all down to him though. Arnesen deserves credit for what he put in motion as do people like De Visser. My view is that these things don't happen overnight. They take time and they're very rarely smooth, faultless operations but arduous, painful processes - but nothing worth doing in life is easy.

To put it in terms of another of Roman's loves, football clubs aren't speedboats. You don't just flick a wrist and do a 180 - they're great big barges which take time, planning and occasionally a little luck to make a course change but to me we're making that change.

I've even said that I'll join you in calling for his head if I don't see more young players in the squad at the start of next season because that is going to be the key indicator of the job he's doing in my opinion.

If he ain't delivering those eggs then he can fuck off.

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The fact you actually admit you don't know the details should possibly lead you to not passing comment or judgment on it.

This must be like the comment regarding 'baggage' you made about John Terry then, clearly none of know the detail on this either, unfair to comment or pass judgement? - touche

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This must be like the comment regarding 'baggage' you made about John Terry then, clearly none of know the detail on this either, unfair to comment or pass judgement? - touche

But I know the details of his court case, and the FA report on him. That's what I was referring to when I mentioned it and subsequently referred to the race issues when talking about him going to the Chinese, Russian and US leagues. I even made a remark about him and Zenit.

So not really touche.

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But I know the details of his court case, and the FA report on him. That's what I was referring to when I mentioned it and subsequently referred to the race issues when talking about him going to the Chinese, Russian and US leagues. I even made a remark about him and Zenit.

So not really touche.

You said 'baggage', that by inferance would include other supposed incidents, would it not

On the other matters, do you know what he said, how it was said.

Just using your 'rules'. Point is we all do this at times.

Have at thee.

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You said 'baggage', that by inferance would include other supposed incidents, would it not

On the other matters, do you know what he said, how it was said.

Just using your 'rules'. Point is we all do this at times.

Have at thee.

It could, but I didn't mean it like that. I personally have no interest in his personal life unless it impacts his football.

The fact is that he did have a court case and he was found guilty by the FA of something related to race - that in itself affects his image in certain markets if he's looking to move to one of them.

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It could, but I didn't mean it like that. I personally have no interest in his personal life unless it impacts his football.

The fact is that he did have a court case and he was found guilty by the FA of something related to race - that in itself affects his image in certain markets if he's looking to move to one of them.

Terry was proved not guilty in a court of law, the highest court in the country - No 'baggage' at all for me.

Do you seriously believe his image has been effected by a kangeroo court the FA convened because they had to find him guilty of something to appease the FA's desire to be seen as being hard on racism and all the Chelsea and JT hating media plus the other clubs fans, many of the latter being far more guilty of racially aggravated language and meaning than Terry would have ever been. I'm playing devil's advocate now and to quote you perhaps Terry 'didn't mean it like that'.

Would the MLS take JT? How about PSG? A German club? The only one who might not are other English clubs and that's more about tribalism than it would be about racism.

Anyway back to the point it's what you write that gets seen, not the meaning - do you see what I mean.