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[Fulham Broadway 17,299]

 

[Vesper 30,085]

19 hours ago, Fulham Broadway said:

 

a must watch

[Fulham Broadway 17,299]

12 minutes ago, Vesper said:

a must watch

Exactly mate. You dont have to be a Muslim or any religion, just a human being, to challenge the apartheid occupation of peoples houses and slaughter of women and children - 350 today alone.

[Fernando 6,585]

7 hours ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Explains a lot -but have to watch on youtube for some reason

best rated comment -As an Israeli I am against Netanyahu and against the settlements, many of us have always been and still are. What’s happening right now is just unbearable. Thank you for not being afraid to show the whole picture, and for not picking sides as if human beings getting killed or worse could somehow be less important when politics are involved.

 

Sounds like conspiracy theory. Kind of of like of the USA with 911. 

Hey everyone can have their own opinion, but I don't agree with those conspiracy theory. 

[Fulham Broadway 17,299]

15 minutes ago, Fernando said:

Sounds like conspiracy theory. Kind of of like of the USA with 911. 

Hey everyone can have their own opinion, but I don't agree with those conspiracy theory. 

Maybe. Which bit do you think is a conspiracy ?

[Fernando 6,585]

Just now, Fulham Broadway said:

Maybe. Which bit do you think is a conspiracy ?

That the leader of Israel knew and turn a blind eye. Basically that is what is saying, Netanyahu knew and so on. 

Sounds similar to the conspiracy theory of USA with Bush and all that stuff. 

Made for a great documentary back then the Fahrenheit 911 and stuff like that. 

[Fulham Broadway 17,299]

6 minutes ago, Fernando said:

That the leader of Israel knew and turn a blind eye. Basically that is what is saying, Netanyahu knew and so on. 

Yeah maybe. Israel has one of the best intelligence and eavesdropping services in the World, and the second biggest military capability in the World per capita, yet in response to the attacks outside Gaza they took 8, 13, and 20 hours to respond respectively. Seems a bit weird, maybe they had a day off.

Netanyahu “Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas … This is part of our strategy – to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank.” Netanuahu to his cabinet 2019.

[Fernando 6,585]

1 hour ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Yeah maybe. Israel has one of the best intelligence and eavesdropping services in the World, and the second biggest military capability in the World per capita, yet in response to the attacks outside Gaza they took 8, 13, and 20 hours to respond respectively. Seems a bit weird, maybe they had a day off.

Netanyahu “Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas … This is part of our strategy – to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank.” Netanuahu to his cabinet 2019.

Or they where overconfidence and they didn't think something like this could happen. But rest assure they will do their investigation and if  it's true then he will be condemn and go to jail. If not and it was just a fault of over self confidence, then things will change. 

And as far as that quote from 2019, I'm trying to find it but all i get is sketchy places.....You got one from a reputable sources? 

[Fulham Broadway 17,299]

10 minutes ago, Fernando said:

Or they where overconfidence and they didn't think something like this could happen. But rest assure they will do their investigation and if  it's true then he will be condemn and go to jail. If not and it was just a fault of over self confidence, then things will change. 

Massive groundswell in Israel for Netanyahu to go once this is all over

 

11 minutes ago, Fernando said:

And as far as that quote from 2019, I'm trying to find it but all i get is sketchy places.....You got one from a reputable sources? 

Warning: Benjamin Netanyahu is walking right into Hamas’s trap | Jonathan Freedland | The Guardian

Jonathan Freedland is Jewish.

Also I have Evangelical Christian friends in the US who were brought up to see Israel as the cradle of Christianity, even they are turning away from the pariah apartheid regime now.

[Fernando 6,585]

31 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Massive groundswell in Israel for Netanyahu to go once this is all over

 

Warning: Benjamin Netanyahu is walking right into Hamas’s trap | Jonathan Freedland | The Guardian

Jonathan Freedland is Jewish.

Also I have Evangelical Christian friends in the US who were brought up to see Israel as the cradle of Christianity, even they are turning away from the pariah apartheid regime now.

I check the article, guy is saying something similar I mentioned that just like US with 911 they went with rage and did some bad decisions. Similar here Israel.  

But I checked the quote and it took me to Vox and this is what Vox said: 

Second, a columnist at Israel’s Ha’aretz newspaper unearthed evidence that Netanyahu has intentionally propped up Hamas rule in Gaza — seeing Palestinian extremism as a bulwark against a two-state solution to the conflict.

“Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas,” the prime minister reportedly said at a 2019 meeting of his Likud party. “This is part of our strategy — to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank.”

These exact comments have not yet been confirmed by other sources. But the Times of Israel’s Tal Schneider wrote on Sunday that Netanyahu’s reported words “are in line with the policy that he implemented,” which did little to challenge and in some ways bolstered Hamas’s control over the Gaza Strip. Moreover, Schneider notes, “the same messaging was repeated by right-wing commentators, who may have received briefings on the matter or talked to Likud higher-ups and understood the message.” Some Netanyahu confidants have said the same thing, as have outside experts.

https://www.vox.com/23910085/netanyahu-israel-right-hamas-gaza-war-history

That sounds like a he said, she said. Those quotes as far I can see are no concrete as it's not taking it back to 2019, but to just recent articles.....

 

[Fulham Broadway 17,299]

Just now, Fernando said:

I check the article, guy is saying something similar I mentioned that just like US with 911 they went with rage and did some bad decisions. Similar here Israel.  

But I checked the quote and it took me to Vox and this is what Vox said: 

Second, a columnist at Israel’s Ha’aretz newspaper unearthed evidence that Netanyahu has intentionally propped up Hamas rule in Gaza — seeing Palestinian extremism as a bulwark against a two-state solution to the conflict.

“Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas,” the prime minister reportedly said at a 2019 meeting of his Likud party. “This is part of our strategy — to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank.”

These exact comments have not yet been confirmed by other sources. But the Times of Israel’s Tal Schneider wrote on Sunday that Netanyahu’s reported words “are in line with the policy that he implemented,” which did little to challenge and in some ways bolstered Hamas’s control over the Gaza Strip. Moreover, Schneider notes, “the same messaging was repeated by right-wing commentators, who may have received briefings on the matter or talked to Likud higher-ups and understood the message.” Some Netanyahu confidants have said the same thing, as have outside experts.

https://www.vox.com/23910085/netanyahu-israel-right-hamas-gaza-war-history

That sounds like a he said, she said. Those quotes as far I can see are no concrete as it's not taking it back to 2019, but to just recent articles.....

 

The Guardian would not quote Netanyahu without absolute guaranteed authenticity - they would be sued to the extreme. Though you can understand the Israeli  PR machine doing whatever it could to bury the quote.

[Fernando 6,585]

Just now, Fulham Broadway said:

The Guardian would not quote Netanyahu without absolute guaranteed authenticity - they would be sued to the extreme. Though you can understand the Israeli  PR machine doing whatever it could to bury the quote.

But I can agree with the article because I remember after September 11 no one thought with a cool head. It was just a rage to get pay back. 

With what Hamas did, Israel is in a similar mode. And that is the sad part, because yes Hamas are a terrorist organization, but a lot of innocent people are dying. That is always the worst part of war  weather here in Israel, Ukraine, wars in Africa etc etc.