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For Ukraine Trump messaged Zelensky saying "in 38 days your allowance will be cut".
But pending Trump's "peace negotiations" the Russians don't seem to halt their campaign.
With a demoralized Ukrainian army infront of them who knows ? They may reach the western frontier.
Also Kremlin (Peskov) denies any claims that they agreed with Trump to limit the intensity of their operations.

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4 minutes ago, Vesper said:

of course it would have produced someone better positioned, from a structual standpoint.

The nominee would have been exposed to the nation and would have had to garner broad-based support just to win the primary.

They would have had to 'go through the wars' and would have been forged in the fire of the struggles to win the nomination.

Instead, Harris was just parachuted in with 107 days to go.

Imaginations.
First of all real primaries would not start in July 2024 but in 2023.
And I repeat, Biden was never criticised by any dems.
What happened was they expressed worries about his mental fatigue.

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1 minute ago, cosmicway said:

For Ukraine Trump messaged Zelensky saying "in 38 days your allowance will be cut".

come on!

at least get your basic facts straight

POTUS Trump did not say that

his son shared an Insta post meme from Sarah Palin, it was not not a statement sent to Zelenskyy by POTUS Trump (I am NOT saying that Trump the POTUS will not cut the aid btw)

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/donald-trump-jr-volodymyr-zelenskyy-donald-trump-cut-funding-ukraine-war/

Donald Trump Jr. has doubled down on his father's campaign pledge to cut funding for Ukraine in its war effort against Russia.

The United States president-elect's eldest son shared on Instagram a clip posted by former Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin which read "POV [point of view]: You're 38 days from losing your allowance" over a video of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy.

 

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Just now, Vesper said:

come on!

at least get your basic facts straight

POTUS Trump did not say that

his son shared an Insta post meme from Sarah Palin, it was not not a statement sent to Zelenskyy by POTUS Trump (I am NOT saying that Trump the POTUS will not cut the aid btw)

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/donald-trump-jr-volodymyr-zelenskyy-donald-trump-cut-funding-ukraine-war/

Donald Trump Jr. has doubled down on his father's campaign pledge to cut funding for Ukraine in its war effort against Russia.

The United States president-elect's eldest son shared on Instagram a clip posted by former Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin which read "POV [point of view]: You're 38 days from losing your allowance" over a video of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy.

 

And ? Trump the Trump was out of it you think ?

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7 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

Imaginations.
First of all real primaries would not start in July 2024 but in 2023.
And I repeat, Biden was never criticised by any dems.
What happened was they expressed worries about his mental fatigue.

I said a REGULAR LENGTH Dem primary, which would have started (not the voting, the campaign) in mid 2022

and multiple Dems DID criticise Biden, concerned about his mental state, which IS criticism

also you forget (at least you have not mentioned it) that Biden himself cast himself (before he was elected) as a one term 'bridge candidate/POTUS'

then reneged on that stance

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6 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

And ? Trump the Trump was out of it you think ?

you posted a factually wrong claim

simple as that

[cosmicway 1,333]

Just now, Vesper said:

I said a REGULAR LENGTH Dem primary, which would have started (not the voting, the campaign) in mid 2022

and multiple Dems DID criticise Biden, concerned about his mental state, which IS criticism

also you forget (at least you have not mentioned it) that Biden himself cast himself (before he was elected) as a one term 'bridge candidate/POTUS'

then reneged on that stance

You have a thing against Harris because she lost and imagine things.
I mean Biden's policies were not criticised by anyone in the dem party.
It was a situation similar to that of Andreas Papandreou in 1995. Did n't want to resign as prime minister although his was ill, from the party were pressurising him to do that, finally his condition became critical and had to resign and died in June 1996.

 

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5 minutes ago, Vesper said:

you posted a factually wrong claim

simple as that

I did n't want to repeat all the story with Sarah Palin and the images and all that.
But you think Trump is not behind it ?
Stop writing childish posts - increases the bandwith used by the site for no reason - TC will have to pay.

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Btw Sarah Palin used to be a never Trumper.
Now she is licking his boots.

Edited November 11 by cosmicway

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6 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

You have a thing against Harris because she lost and imagine things.

false

I warned on structural weaknesses in the US Democratic Party and also danger points in terms of the US voting populace for years

and

a large problem (far from the only problem, but a big one nonetheless) in this election was processed-based

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9 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

Stop writing childish posts

lol

talk about projection!

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3 minutes ago, Vesper said:

false

I warned on structural weaknesses in the US Democratic Party and also danger points in terms of the US voting populace for years

and

a large problem (far from the only problem, but a big one nonetheless) in this election was processed-based

I too warned about structural weaknesses but others than those you present.
Maybe the clincher was the 7/10 in the end, engineered by Putin to have this effect.
What is a processed-based ?
 

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12 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

What is a processed-based ?

I would not know

I am a child

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Billionaires like Elon Musk don’t just think they’re better than the rest of us – they hate us

The ultra-wealthy talk about solving the climate crisis or ending inequality. But what they’re really interested in is outliving or escaping anyone poorer than them

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/nov/11/billionaires-elon-musk-hate-us-ultra-wealthy-climate-crisis

Nearly three years ago, I started working on an idea for a book. It started out with the pretty mild proposition: we’re in a class war, but it’s a weird one, because one side is curiously coy. The capital class used to strut its stuff. It used to build libraries and great estates; it used to tell you it thought it was superior, and why. Now that it is billionaires on one side and everyone else on the other, they are like ghosts. They might tell you what they think, in Ted Talks, at Davos, but it can’t be real: according to them, all they care about is fixing climate change, solving inequality and bringing about world peace. Mysteriously, none of those things ever come about.

I dragged my feet a little bit, and while I did so, the billionaires got louder, and maybe truer to their authentic selves. Vladimir Putin, estimated to be worth billions, invaded Ukraine. Elon Musk bought Twitter. Sam Bankman-Fried got outed as not-a-billionaire – the billions turned out to either belong to someone else, be fictional, be priced in crypto, or all three – and a lot of his fantasies for the future came tumbling out in the same legal proceedings: a plan, stated in a memo, to purchase the sovereign nation of Nauru in order to construct a “bunker/shelter” that would be used for “some event where 50%-99.99% of people die [to] ensure that most EAs [effective altruists] survive” and to develop “sensible regulation around human genetic enhancement, and build a lab there”.

This same memo noted that “probably there are other things it’s useful to do with a sovereign country, too”. It distilled in a single paragraph the mind-map of the billionaire class: apocalypse fantasies and bunker futures; a fervent belief in their own, gene-level superiority; a hatred of any sovereignty higher than theirs; and an almost childlike lack of self-reflection, to the extent that you would call yourself an “effective altruist” just by dint of having fictionalised enough net worth to potentially help others, while simultaneously planning for a future in which all the others have perished.

It turned out a lot of billionaires had a plan for that event where 50-99.99% of us all died. An awesome number of them had a private island, or were looking for one. The OpenAI chief Sam Altman and the PayPal co-founder Peter Thiel were gonna split to New Zealand and go halvsies on a bunker. The Japanese billionaire Yusaku Maezawa was by no means the only “high net worth individual” trying to shoot himself into space, though he was the only one who went on YouTube to describe his exploratory trip, rumoured to have cost $80m (£62m), to the International Space Station.

“I did not get aroused whatsoever,” he said. “When you wake up in the morning, it’s quite normal for us men to have a happy manhood.” But in two weeks on the ISS, “not even once did my manhood greet me with energy”.

What they’re trying to escape is civilisation, the rule of law, other people. They’re trying to escape us

More predictably, and to make matters worse, the lack of gravity made his penis float upwards, causing a perspective disturbance that “made it look like a child’s … I didn’t feel confident about my manhood in space,” he concluded.

What’s it to you, whether or not a billionaire can get an erection in space? Childlike lack of self-reflection, again. Between that and the coming apocalypse, the bunkers, the private islands, the space exploration, the dreams of colonising the sea and living on it, and the land wars, I couldn’t help but notice that what they’re trying to escape is civilisation, the rule of law, other people – bluntly, us. They’re trying to escape us.

When you add in their dreams of living for ever, of siring scores of children, the picture is even clearer: they hate us. They’re not neutral about us; we’re not mere flies on their windscreen. They think any one of them, living to be 700, is worth an infinite number of us in our prime. They think their children are more precious than our children. Who knows, maybe some billionaires don’t hate us or fantasise about our annihilation. But even one should be a red flag.

Then on 6 November, I realised the ship had sailed. This is an open secret now. The whole world has watched Musk seize a mature democracy, and you can see he hates us with one look at his face. You don’t even have to scroll through his X feed.

My procrastination wasn’t just uselessness (though a bit of that, sure); it was that I couldn’t keep my mind on this hatred for five minutes straight without getting distracted by something I loved. So while, without question, Musk is faster than me, more ambitious and more effective, I am happier than he is. To pilfer an uncharacteristically cheerful line from Albert Camus: in the midst of this billionaires’ winter, there is, within me and probably you, an invincible summer.

And that’s great, but we’ve still got an almighty class war on our hands.