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[Vesper 27,711]

hard RW, MAGA adjacent US Senator Pete Ricketts from Nebraska

speaking in praise about the US Supreme Court overturning the ban on bump stocks (basically they turn semi autos into machine guns in terms of fire rate)

this cunt would have been one of our owners

[robsblubot 3,334]

4 minutes ago, Vesper said:

not the far left

they blocked nothing of his agenda

it was the centrists and the conservadems who crushed Bidens 6.1 trillion usd infrastructure bills (there were 2, one physical, one human services centred) in new spend

they slashed it from 6.1 trillion down to less than 1 trillion usd, spread out over 10 years

they blocked a shedload of vital programmes and policies that would have massively helped Biden get elected

plus the conservadems disasterously blocked (in the Senate, Manchin and Sinema) the 2 vital voter rights bills, which would have stopped a lot of the Republican attempts to steal the elections now

While I agree with what you wrote, I don't think that plays a huge part in the election. The far left are the easy targets for the right.
The average voter in the US is a centrist who either leans right or left, but it's usually a mix. I think you are overstating policies and the average voter is far less concerned about that.

[Vesper 27,711]

1 minute ago, robsblubot said:

 I think you are overstating policies and the average voter is far less concerned about that.

these are just some of things cut buy the conservadems

they ABSOLUTELY would have had a huge impact on even the most uninterested voters

 

$200 billion in spending on childcare, ensuring that no family has to pay more than 7% of their income on childcare

$200 billion to make pre-kindergarten universally available for free

$200 billion towards government-subsidized paid family and medical leave

$300 billion towards making community college free for all Americans

$200 billion on health insurance subsidies available through the Affordable Care Act healthcare exchanges

It would have extended the boost to the child tax credit made in the American Rescue Plan, which effectively turned the credit into a child allowance

$100 billion to construct and upgrade public schools

$25 billion to upgrade childcare facilities

$12 billion to spend on community colleges

$115 billion towards highways and roads

$80 billion to improve American railways

$85 billion to modernize public transportation

$25 billion for airports

$174 billion to incentivize adoption of electric vehicles (including $15 billion for the construction of 500,000 electric vehicle charging stations by 2030)

$213 billion for building and retrofitting more than 2 million homes

$111 billion for modernizing drinking water, wastewater, and storm water systems.

$45 billion of that was intended to replace 100% of the country's lead water piping

$150 billion to deliver universal high-speed broadband coverage

 

 

 

[robsblubot 3,334]

5 minutes ago, Vesper said:

these are just some of things cut buy the conservadems

they ABSOLUTELY would have had a huge impact on even the most uninterested voters

 

$200 billion in spending on childcare, ensuring that no family has to pay more than 7% of their income on childcare

$200 billion to make pre-kindergarten universally available for free

$200 billion towards government-subsidized paid family and medical leave

$300 billion towards making community college free for all Americans

$200 billion on health insurance subsidies available through the Affordable Care Act healthcare exchanges

It would have extended the boost to the child tax credit made in the American Rescue Plan, which effectively turned the credit into a child allowance

$100 billion to construct and upgrade public schools

$25 billion to upgrade childcare facilities

$12 billion to spend on community colleges

$115 billion towards highways and roads

$80 billion to improve American railways

$85 billion to modernize public transportation

$25 billion for airports

$174 billion to incentivize adoption of electric vehicles (including $15 billion for the construction of 500,000 electric vehicle charging stations by 2030)

$213 billion for building and retrofitting more than 2 million homes

$111 billion for modernizing drinking water, wastewater, and storm water systems.

$45 billion of that was intended to replace 100% of the country's lead water piping

$150 billion to deliver universal high-speed broadband coverage

 

 

 

Yes they would have. If that side got the information, but Fox News will show their bubble and the cbs news and cnns will provide their usual false equivalence.

what are trump policies exactly? 😃 does he have any?

[Vesper 27,711]

11 minutes ago, robsblubot said:

Yes they would have. If that side got the information, but Fox News will show their bubble and the cbs news and cnns will provide their usual false equivalence.

what are trump policies exactly? 😃 does he have any?

they would not have needed any news to see it in many cases:

 

family and medical leave (the US is the only advanced nation on the planet without it)

childcare:  no family has to pay more than 7% of their income on childcare

extended the boost to the child tax credit, effectively turning the credit into a child allowance

dramatically lower health insurance costs

bring broadband to everybody (around 25 to 30 per cent of the US is still on dial up or non broadband connections!)

construct and upgrade public schools

free community college for everyone

fixing the roads (I have been all over the US, it is INSANE how shit the roads are)

 

no news needed to have hundreds of millions of citizens see those

 

Edited June 18 by Vesper

[robsblubot 3,334]

51 minutes ago, Vesper said:

they would not have needed any news to see it in many cases:

 

family and medical leave (the US is the only advanced nation on the planet without it)

childcare:  no family has to pay more than 7% of their income on childcare

extended the boost to the child tax credit, effectively turning the credit into a child allowance

dramatically lower health insurance costs

bring broadband to everybody (around 25 to 30 per cent of the US is still on dial up or non broadband connections!)

construct and upgrade public schools

free community college for everyone

fixing the roads (I have been all over the US, it is INSANE how shit the roads are)

 

no news needed to have hundreds of millions of citizens see those

 

Take a look esp the part about FBI numbers vs the talking point of the right wing media: 

 The polarization in the US has reached a point where different groups have a different set of facts.
 

[cosmicway 1,278]

12 hours ago, Vesper said:

is that your house?

Habana Cuba

[cosmicway 1,278]

Can Trump declare dictatorship ?
That will be gross.
Tricky Dicky is said to have toyed with the idea but came nowhere near in 1974.
But how unlikely is it if he wins in November ?

Dictatorships are believed to be things of the past in the western world, 40-50 years now.
Why they existed ?
Basically it was establishment v. the trade union movements those years, plus a dose of fellow traveling with communism of those unions that caused them.
There were other reasons too, having to do with local situations, but basically it was this.

Nowadays from the right wing nobody cares about trade unions or communist fellow travelers but just the same we have a sizeable right wing revival and their big issue is the immigrants.
In their old incarnation immigrants was an issue but of secondary importance or no issue at all - depending on which country's history you are looking at.

So will Trump do it ?
First he needs a loyal army.
Without loyal army he can't do it.
But he can build one.

Back in 1967 with the Greek junta, the Greek army was junt-ised progressively, in steps.
Two days before the coup d' etat I went to a football match.
AEK stadium, Greece U21 - England U21.
The result was a 1-1 draw. Glezos scored for Greece and Francis Lee for England.
But to go there I used the subway and in the subway there are benches with all the newspapers, including those of other towns.
So the main title in one of those newspapers was "junta man Papadopoulos appointed military commander of Athens and vicinity".
That was the 19th of April 1967 and two days later, on the 21st of April, the coup d' etat took place.
Papadopoulos could n't do it without this appointment.

So Trump can engineer things this way.
The other important thing is what will be the reactions when he becomes president ?
If there are strong reactions of -let's say- J6 magnitude, means he have an excuse and we have the first dictatorship in the USA since the revolution.

The aftermath will be cataclysmic of course.
Dictatorships everywhere, the Papadopoulos dream coming true 26 years after his death.

Putin will be ecstatically happy. Ukraine is his as well as some more neighbouring countries.
Also the communist parties of the world and the terror axis will be ecstatically happy.
Why the last ?
For one thing communism is by it's very nature a clandestine movement, mainly operates underground.
So who cares about democratic freedoms if he is a commie ?
Going back to Greece again if a communist spy tried to cross the border on the 20th of April 1967 and if he tried to do the same on the 22nd of April, there was no difference - he was a spy.
Also the dictatorship will silence all of the opposition, so only their secret radio stations will be left, they become influencers.
The whole of the capitalist - bourgeois society becomes discredited as it were and the commies have a difficult task ahead but it's going to be their battlefield.
That's how it works with them.

So this looks like the shape of things to come.

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,795]

23 hours ago, Vesper said:

it is being bourn out by most of the polls now for the 2024 POTUS election

most show 20 to 23 per cent (on average) of black males saying they will vote for Trump

I wanted to argue this, but honestly with black dudes producing kids like this now:

They just might. Black men have struggled with self hate in this country for centuries. 

[Fernando 6,397]

 

 

[Fernando 6,397]

On 18/06/2024 at 10:28, cosmicway said:

Arabs would have had their two state solution ages ago if they went about it peacefully.
Even if the Israelis were stubborn the Americans would have convinced them to accept a two state solution.
But they want to attack Israel with rockets, hijack planes, commit other acts of terrorism.
Disbanding Hamas won't work because there is also Hezbollah, or something else they cook.
Difficult to see the end of the road.

So in the end this will never be resolved. 

You can hate Israel all you want, but until you fix the problem permanently this will continue going on until the world ends. 

If you leave Gaza right now and don't deal with the Hamas problem sooner or later the same stuff will happen. 

If you create a two state solution and don't protect that new state from being overrun by a Hamas type of group the same stuff will happen. 

But if you can do it, then it would have been done elsewhere.....take a look around many countries are being overrun by terrorist organization like Hamas. 

You need leader like the president from El Salvador that turn a murder capital country into a relative low murder rate, Nayib Bukele. 

Edited June 20 by Fernando

[cosmicway 1,278]

1 hour ago, Fernando said:

So in the end this will never be resolved. 

You can hate Israel all you want, but until you fix the problem permanently this will continue going on until the world ends. 

If you leave Gaza right now and don't deal with the Hamas problem sooner or later the same stuff will happen. 

If you create a two state solution and don't protect that new state from being overrun by a Hamas type of group the same stuff will happen. 

But if you can do it, then it would have been done elsewhere.....take a look around many countries are being overrun by terrorist organization like Hamas. 

You need leader like the president from El Salvador that turn a murder capital country into a relative low murder rate, Nayib Bukele. 

Well ...
Can be done.
Bairaktaris could do it - the cop in charge of security of the first Olympic games of 1896.
But the intention is there to keep the peace ?
That's where it hinges.

[YorkshireBlue 2,931]

29 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

Well ...
Can be done.
Bairaktaris could do it - the cop in charge of security of the first Olympic games of 1896.
But the intention is there to keep the peace ?
That's where it hinges.

Told you before, while there are humans on this planet, you will never have peace, they don't want it, look at yourself, and everybody else some thrive for arguments, some ppl love to piss people off for the fun of it, fight slag people off, intentionally send people loopy for a laugh, it's built into all of us, as a species we are horrible lol we destroy everything and will continue to do so until there is nothing left to destroy.

[cosmicway 1,278]

1 hour ago, YorkshireBlue said:

Told you before, while there are humans on this planet, you will never have peace, they don't want it, look at yourself, and everybody else some thrive for arguments, some ppl love to piss people off for the fun of it, fight slag people off, intentionally send people loopy for a laugh, it's built into all of us, as a species we are horrible lol we destroy everything and will continue to do so until there is nothing left to destroy.

No I don't do that.
Lookat yourself. You are from the north of England (unless you use "Yorkshire" because of a girlfriend).
Who were the enemies of England ? The Germans, Hirohito and the commies.
So it is their pathetic descendents I 'm up against.
Who else does Golden Dawn represent ?
I have one of their periodicals here. It says "read about the great achievements of the German submarines" ...

[YorkshireBlue 2,931]

36 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

No I don't do that

You try and belittle people in this thread 🤣..... But no you don't do that? Cmon man, atleast be honest and man enough to admit, sometimes your a cunt? We all are... Anyone who's thinks they have never been a cunt, is a lying cunt 🤣

[cosmicway 1,278]

1 hour ago, YorkshireBlue said:

You try and belittle people in this thread 🤣..... But no you don't do that? Cmon man, atleast be honest and man enough to admit, sometimes your a cunt? We all are... Anyone who's thinks they have never been a cunt, is a lying cunt 🤣

When did I do that other than when one has spoken in favour of international communism or something like that ?

[Magic Lamps 11,537]

Wrong thread 

Edited June 20 by Magic Lamps

[NikkiCFC 7,742]

55 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

Wrong thread 

Everything is related to politics these days.