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[cosmicway 1,324]

Just now, Fulham Broadway said:

Perhaps you are right and every government and NASA are wrong. Though highly unlikely.

Look, I have never seen a climate change.
I have seen atmospheric pollution in cities but this is easily reversible once the appropriate measures are taken,
So it's a myth.

[Fulham Broadway 16,858]

1 minute ago, cosmicway said:

I have never seen a climate change.

Well you need to tell all governments, climate professors, NASA, geologists, meteorologists, global scientists they are all wrong then. Comic know better !

[cosmicway 1,324]

1 minute ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Well you need to tell all governments, climate professors, NASA, geologists, meteorologists, global scientists they are all wrong then. Comic know better !

Climate change means giraffes in England, ice caps in Libya.
There ain't no such thing.

[Fulham Broadway 16,858]

Just now, cosmicway said:

Climate change means giraffes in England, ice caps in Libya.
There ain't no such thing.

Yes thats a sensible rebuff to World scientists

[Fulham Broadway 16,858]

24/11/2024

Greece this week signed a clean energy deal with the EU in a bid to fast-track the green transition on its fragile islands threatened by climate change.

Hundreds of Greek islands are facing major challenges including water scarcity, said Dimitris Lianos, the mayor of Naxos, the largest island in the Cyclades archipelago, where the deal was signed Thursday with the European Union and the European Investment Bank to finance decarbonisation projects.

Athens is focusing on developing renewable energy infrastructure -- offshore wind farms, energy storage systems and connecting the islands with the mainland for power supply.

Greece, which is at the forefront of global warming in the Mediterranean Basin, has been experiencing scorching summers and disastrous wildfires due to climate change.

MSN News

[Fernando 6,465]

36 minutes ago, Vesper said:

why are you reposting the same article that you already posted 15 hours ago?

here is where you posted it before:

 

that article does not remotely counter what I have said

you can post it 50 times and it will still not be an effective counter

Of course there has been cyclical warming and cooling in the past

no one is disputing that, certianly not me

what I AM SAYING is that the RATE OF INCREASE in global temps is now FAR greater, moving FAR faster than it has at anytime over the past million or so years (it is increasing 10 times faster than the average rate of increase seen over the past million years)

the absolutely scientically proven consensus is that the unprecedented rats of increase we NOW are seeing is caused by human based activity, ie the massive increase in CO2 levels cause by the use of fossil fuels and other anthropogenic factors

your article does nothing to counter the scientific consensus on the current global climate change's causes

it simply is a historical documentation of a a forested Greenland during a warm period, one that occurred hundreds of thousands of years ago

also

your own article ends with this:

True and what I'm saying that just like there's some bad there's also some good to that, colder regions can be habitable. 

But also that it will not be the end of the world. We will get warmer but eventually Mother nature will self correct and produce and ice age. 

But for that to take place it will take years. 

People will be eventually migrate to northern territory because of this global warming. 

[cosmicway 1,324]

Just now, Fulham Broadway said:

24/11/2024

Greece this week signed a clean energy deal with the EU in a bid to fast-track the green transition on its fragile islands threatened by climate change.

Hundreds of Greek islands are facing major challenges including water scarcity, said Dimitris Lianos, the mayor of Naxos, the largest island in the Cyclades archipelago, where the deal was signed Thursday with the European Union and the European Investment Bank to finance decarbonisation projects.

Athens is focusing on developing renewable energy infrastructure -- offshore wind farms, energy storage systems and connecting the islands with the mainland for power supply.

Greece, which is at the forefront of global warming in the Mediterranean Basin, has been experiencing scorching summers and disastrous wildfires due to climate change.

MSN News

There have always been scorching summers and wildfires.
When I was in the army, decades ago, I helped put out some - it's the summer heat causing automatic fires.

[Fulham Broadway 16,858]

5 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

There have always been scorching summers and wildfires.
When I was in the army, decades ago, I helped put out some - it's the summer heat causing automatic fires.

You need to tell all governments and scientists and NASA that they are all wrong. I am sure they will take it very seriously.

[Fernando 6,465]

6 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

There have always been scorching summers and wildfires.
When I was in the army, decades ago, I helped put out some - it's the summer heat causing automatic fires.

Global warming is real and is causing the flash flood rains that is devastating many places. 

Since the ground is si dry when massive water drops it can't be absorbed as good. This is why we are having many floods lately in many parts of the world. 

And hurricane increasing in speed in short amount of time. All those are because of climate change. 

[Vesper 28,852]

18 minutes ago, Fernando said:

True and what I'm saying that just like there's some bad there's also some good to that, colder regions can be habitable. 

But also that it will not be the end of the world. We will get warmer but eventually Mother nature will self correct and produce and ice age. 

But for that to take place it will take years. 

People will be eventually migrate to northern territory because of this global warming. 

Do you understand the coming resource/land wars that will come as the warming makes more and more of the earth unihabitable for many humans?

Do you understand how much damage to the planetary ecosphere will occur until an ice age kicks in thousands (perhaps tens of thousands) of years from now?

The oceans are already starting to significantly degrade and that rate of destruction will only increase as we get further into this all.

There are eventually going to be hundreds of millions of climate refugees as vast swathes of the planet degrade.

The regional wars will be fierce AF, as nation states are overun.

You are already seeing the beginnings of it.

Do you understand the cataclysmic events that could occur if massive amounts of methane are released from the Arctic?

Same for the potential collapse of the Gulf Stream?

Same for the incredible destruction potentially cause by the degradation of the Thwaites Glacier in Antarctica?

Have we lost control of methane gas?

Gulf Stream Collapse: Why Europe Could Freeze

 

Antarctica’s Thwaites “Doomsday” Glacier | VOA Connect

 

[Vesper 28,852]

The Tipping Points of Climate Change — and Where We Stand | Johan Rockström | TED

15 Aug 2024

We're nearly halfway through the 2020s, dubbed the most decisive decade for action on climate change. Where exactly do things stand? Climate impact scholar Johan Rockström offers the most up-to-date scientific assessment of the state of the planet and explains what must be done to preserve Earth's resilience to human pressure.

Johan Rockström (born 31 December 1965) is a Swedish scientist, internationally recognized for his work on global sustainability issues. He is joint director of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research (PIK) in Germany, together with economist Ottmar Edenhofer. Rockström is also chief scientist at Conservation International. He is Professor in Earth System Science at the University of Potsdam and Professor in Water Systems and Global Sustainability, Stockholm University.

Rockström has pioneered work on the planetary boundaries framework, first published in 2009. The nine planetary boundaries presented in the framework, from climate to biodiversity, are argued to be fundamental in maintaining a "safe operating space for humanity." Rockström was executive director of the Stockholm Environment Institute from 2004–2012, and director of the Stockholm Resilience Centre from 2007–2018.

Edited 1 hour ago by Vesper

[cosmicway 1,324]

48 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

You need to tell all governments and scientists and NASA that they are all wrong. I am sure they will take it very seriously.

In this day and age scientists become scientists by internet black Friday offers.
But how come it is only the wokie crowds who believe it ?
Usually a real scientific find is accepted by everybody - from Trump to Putin and Kim.

[Fulham Broadway 16,858]

8 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

In this day and age scientists become scientists by internet black Friday offers.
But how come it is only the wokie crowds who believe it ?
Usually a real scientific find is accepted by everybody - from Trump to Putin and Kim.

Its the whole scientific community, governments,  and all sane people not the psychologically ill ones . Not the conspiracy nuts. Not the internet trolls that just love to be different. Are you saying NASA have got it all wrong ?

[Vesper 28,852]

Just now, cosmicway said:

In this day and age scientists become scientists by internet black Friday offers.
But how come it is only the wokie crowds who believe it ?
Usually a real scientific find is accepted by everybody - from Trump to Putin and Kim.

laughable................. 

you actually think that your profoundly ascientific blathering is somehow of any import or value other than pure entertainment in the carnival barker world you apparently inhabit

I suggest you go have a cream tea with Lord Christopher Monckton

lololol

Climate Misinformation by Source: Christopher Monckton

https://skepticalscience.com/Monckton_Myths_arg.htm

Christopher Monckton is a British consultant, policy adviser, writer, columnist, and hereditary peer. While not formally trained in science, Monckton is one of the most cited and widely published climate skeptics, having even been invited to testify to the U.S. Senate and Congress on several occasions.

For a comprehensive rebuttal of many of Christopher Monckton's arguments, check out this presentation by Professor John Abraham. Abraham has compiled many examples where Monckton misrepresents the very scientists whose work he cites. Check out this PDF of Monckton quotes versus the scientists who in their own words explain how Monckton misrepresents their research.

Favourite climate myths by Christopher Monckton

Below are many of the climate myths used by Christopher Monckton plus how often each myth has been used.

Climate myths by Monckton	What the Science Says	Usage
"Climate sensitivity is low"	Net positive feedback is confirmed by many different lines of evidence.	15
"Sea level rise predictions are exaggerated"	Sea level rise is now increasing faster than predicted due to unexpectedly rapid ice melting.	11
"Hockey stick is broken"	Recent studies agree that recent global temperatures are unprecedented in the last 1000 years.	10
"Sea level rise is exaggerated"	A variety of different measurements find steadily rising sea levels over the past century.	9
"Most of the last 10,000 years were warmer"	This argument uses regional temperature data that ends in 1855, long before modern global warming began.	9
"Medieval Warm Period was warmer"	Globally averaged temperature now is higher than global temperature in medieval times.	9
"It's cooling"	All the indicators show that global warming is still happening.	9
"IPCC overestimate temperature rise"	Monckton used the IPCC equation in an inappropriate manner.	8
"CO2 limits will harm the economy"	The benefits of a price on carbon outweigh the costs several times over.	7
"There's no tropospheric hot spot"	We see a clear "short-term hot spot" - there's various evidence for a "long-term hot spot".	7
"Arctic sea ice loss is matched by Antarctic sea ice gain"	Arctic sea ice loss is three times greater than Antarctic sea ice gain.	7
"It warmed just as fast in 1860-1880 and 1910-1940"	The warming trend over 1970 to 2001 is greater than warming from both 1860 to 1880 and 1910 to 1940.	7
"Lindzen and Choi find low climate sensitivity"	Lindzen and Choi’s paper is viewed as unacceptably flawed by other climate scientists.	6
"Models are unreliable"	Models successfully reproduce temperatures since 1900 globally, by land, in the air and the ocean.	6
"Hurricanes aren't linked to global warming"	There is increasing evidence that hurricanes are getting stronger due to global warming.	6
"IPCC ‘disappeared’ the Medieval Warm Period"	The IPCC simply updated their temperature history graphs to show the best data available at the time.	6
"Extreme weather isn't caused by global warming"	Extreme weather events are being made more frequent and worse by global warming.	5
"IPCC is alarmist"	Numerous papers have documented how IPCC predictions are more likely to underestimate the climate response.	5
"Climate's changed before"	Climate reacts to whatever forces it to change at the time; humans are now the dominant forcing.	5
"Greenland is gaining ice"	Greenland on the whole is losing ice, as confirmed by satellite measurement.	5
"It's global brightening"	This is a complex aerosol effect with unclear temperature significance.	5
"CO2 limits will make little difference"	If every nation agrees to limit CO2 emissions, we can achieve significant cuts on a global scale.	5
"Arctic was warmer in 1940"	The actual data show high northern latitudes are warmer today than in 1940.	5
"It hasn't warmed since 1998"	Every part of the Earth's climate system has continued warming since 1998, with 2015 shattering temperature records.	4
"It's not bad"	Negative impacts of global warming on agriculture, health & environment far outweigh any positives.	4
"Oceans are cooling"	The most recent ocean measurements show consistent warming.	4
"An exponential increase in CO2 will result in a linear increase in temperature"	CO2 levels are rising so fast that unless we decrease emissions, global warming will accelerate this century.	4
"CO2 lags temperature"	CO2 didn't initiate warming from past ice ages but it did amplify the warming.	4
"Climategate CRU emails suggest conspiracy"	A number of investigations have cleared scientists of any wrongdoing in the media-hyped email incident.	4
"Al Gore got it wrong"	Al Gore's book is quite accurate, and far more accurate than contrarian books.	4
"It's the sun"	In the last 35 years of global warming, sun and climate have been going in opposite directions	4
"Arctic icemelt is a natural cycle"	Thick Arctic sea ice is undergoing a rapid retreat.	4
"It warmed before 1940 when CO2 was low"	Early 20th century warming is due to several causes, including rising CO2.	3
"Mt. Kilimanjaro's ice loss is due to land use"	Most glaciers are in rapid retreat worldwide, notwithstanding a few complicated cases.	3
"There's no empirical evidence"	There are multiple lines of direct observations that humans are causing global warming.	3
"Temp record is unreliable"	The warming trend is the same in rural and urban areas, measured by thermometers and satellites.	3
"It's Urban Heat Island effect"	Urban and rural regions show the same warming trend.	3
"Climate scientists are in it for the money"	Climate scientists could make far more money in other careers - most notably, working for the oil industry.	3
"Earth hasn't warmed as much as expected"	This argument ignores the cooling effect of aerosols and the planet's thermal inertia.	3
"There's no correlation between CO2 and temperature"	There is long-term correlation between CO2 and global temperature; other effects are short-term.	3
"Was Greenland really green in the past?"	Other parts of the earth got colder when Greenland got warmer.	3
"Skeptics were kept out of the IPCC?"	Official records, Editors and emails suggest CRU scientists acted in the spirit if not the letter of IPCC rules.	2
"2009-2010 winter saw record cold spells"	A cold day in Chicago in winter has nothing to do with the trend of global warming.	2
"Hansen's 1988 prediction was wrong"	Jim Hansen had several possible scenarios; his mid-level scenario B was right.	2
"IPCC were wrong about Himalayan glaciers"	Glaciers are in rapid retreat worldwide, despite 1 error in 1 paragraph in a 1000 page IPCC report.	2
"CO2 limits will hurt the poor"	Those who contribute the least greenhouse gases will be most impacted by climate change.	2
"Antarctica is gaining ice"	Satellites measure Antarctica losing land ice at an accelerating rate.	2
"Polar bear numbers are increasing"	Polar bears are in danger of extinction as well as many other species.	2
"Greenland ice sheet won't collapse"	When Greenland was 3 to 5 degrees C warmer than today, a large portion of the Ice Sheet melted.	2
"Ocean acidification isn't serious"	Ocean acidification threatens entire marine food chains.	2
"Arctic sea ice has recovered"	Thick arctic sea ice is in rapid retreat.	2
"We're coming out of the Little Ice Age"	Scientists have determined that the factors which caused the Little Ice Age cooling are not currently causing global warming.	2
"CO2 was higher in the past"	Climate has changed along with CO2 levels through geological time.	2
"CO2 is plant food"	The effects of enhanced CO2 on terrestrial plants are variable and complex and dependent on numerous factors	2
"Phil Jones says no global warming since 1995"	Phil Jones was misquoted.	2
"Global warming stopped in 1998, 1995, 2002, 2007, 2010, ????"	Global temperature is still rising and 2010 was the hottest recorded.	2
"There is no consensus"	97% of climate experts agree humans are causing global warming.	2
"Sea level is not rising"	The claim sea level isn’t rising is based on blatantly doctored graphs contradicted by observations.	2
"Record high snow cover was set in winter 2008/2009"	Winter snow cover in 2008/2009 was average while the long-term trend in spring, summer, and annual snow cover is rapid decline.	1
"Satellites show no warming in the troposphere"	The most recent satellite data show that the earth as a whole is warming.	1
"It's microsite influences"	Microsite influences on temperature changes are minimal; good and bad sites show the same trend.	1
"CO2 has a short residence time"	Excess CO2 from human emissions has a long residence time of over 100 years	1
"Glaciers are growing"	Most glaciers are retreating, posing a serious problem for millions who rely on glaciers for water.	1
"CO2 is just a trace gas"	Many substances are dangerous even in trace amounts; what really matters is the total amount of CO2 in the atmosphere.	1
"Ice Sheet losses are overestimated"	A number of independent measurements find extensive ice loss from Antarctica and Greenland.	1
"CO2 is not a pollutant"	Through its impacts on the climate, CO2 presents a danger to public health and welfare, and thus qualifies as an air pollutant	1
"Corals are resilient to bleaching"	Globally about 1% of coral is dying out each year.	1
"Tuvalu sea level isn't rising"	Tuvalu sea level is rising 3 times larger than the global average.	1
"Ice age predicted in the 70s"	The vast majority of climate papers in the 1970s predicted warming.	1
"Coral atolls grow as sea levels rise"	Thousands of coral atolls have "drowned" when unable to grow fast enough to survive at sea level.	1
"Peer review process was corrupted"	An Independent Review concluded that CRU's actions were normal and didn't threaten the integrity of peer review.	1
"It's not urgent"	A large amount of warming is delayed, and if we don’t act now we could pass tipping points.	1
"It's not us"	Multiple sets of independent observations find a human fingerprint on climate change.	1
"Greenland has only lost a tiny fraction of its ice mass"	Greenland's ice loss is accelerating & will add metres of sea level rise in upcoming centuries.	1
"Climate is chaotic and cannot be predicted"	Weather is chaotic but climate is driven by Earth's energy imbalance, which is more predictable.	1
"It's freaking cold!"	A local cold day has nothing to do with the long-term trend of increasing global temperatures.	1
"Over 31,000 scientists signed the OISM Petition Project"	The 'OISM petition' was signed by only a few climatologists.	1
"It's too hard"	Scientific studies have determined that current technology is sufficient to reduce greenhouse gas emissions enough to avoid dangerous climate change.	1
"Animals and plants can adapt"	Global warming will cause mass extinctions of species that cannot adapt on short time scales.	1
"Scientists tried to 'hide the decline' in global temperature"	The 'decline' refers to a decline in northern tree-rings, not global temperature, and is openly discussed in papers and the IPCC reports.	1
"Southern sea ice is increasing"	Antarctic sea ice has grown in recent decades despite the Southern Ocean warming at the same time.	1
"CRU tampered with temperature data"	An independent inquiry went back to primary data sources and were able to replicate CRU's results.	1
"It's Pacific Decadal Oscillation"	The PDO shows no trend, and therefore the PDO is not responsible for the trend of global warming.	1
"Trenberth can't account for the lack of warming"	Trenberth is talking about the details of energy flow, not whether global warming is happening.	1
"Clouds provide negative feedback"	Evidence is building that net cloud feedback is likely positive and unlikely to be strongly negative.	1
"IPCC graph showing accelerating trends is misleading"	All of the statements made in the IPCC report regarding the figure in question are correct and supported.

 

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[cosmicway 1,324]

55 minutes ago, Vesper said:

laughable................. 

you actually think that your profoundly ascientific blathering is somehow of any import or value other than pure entertainment in the carnival barker world you apparently inhabit

I suggest you go have a cream tea with Lord Christopher Monckton

lololol

Climate Misinformation by Source: Christopher Monckton

https://skepticalscience.com/Monckton_Myths_arg.htm

Christopher Monckton is a British consultant, policy adviser, writer, columnist, and hereditary peer. While not formally trained in science, Monckton is one of the most cited and widely published climate skeptics, having even been invited to testify to the U.S. Senate and Congress on several occasions.

For a comprehensive rebuttal of many of Christopher Monckton's arguments, check out this presentation by Professor John Abraham. Abraham has compiled many examples where Monckton misrepresents the very scientists whose work he cites. Check out this PDF of Monckton quotes versus the scientists who in their own words explain how Monckton misrepresents their research.

Favourite climate myths by Christopher Monckton

Below are many of the climate myths used by Christopher Monckton plus how often each myth has been used.

Climate myths by Monckton	What the Science Says	Usage
"Climate sensitivity is low"	Net positive feedback is confirmed by many different lines of evidence.	15
"Sea level rise predictions are exaggerated"	Sea level rise is now increasing faster than predicted due to unexpectedly rapid ice melting.	11
"Hockey stick is broken"	Recent studies agree that recent global temperatures are unprecedented in the last 1000 years.	10
"Sea level rise is exaggerated"	A variety of different measurements find steadily rising sea levels over the past century.	9
"Most of the last 10,000 years were warmer"	This argument uses regional temperature data that ends in 1855, long before modern global warming began.	9
"Medieval Warm Period was warmer"	Globally averaged temperature now is higher than global temperature in medieval times.	9
"It's cooling"	All the indicators show that global warming is still happening.	9
"IPCC overestimate temperature rise"	Monckton used the IPCC equation in an inappropriate manner.	8
"CO2 limits will harm the economy"	The benefits of a price on carbon outweigh the costs several times over.	7
"There's no tropospheric hot spot"	We see a clear "short-term hot spot" - there's various evidence for a "long-term hot spot".	7
"Arctic sea ice loss is matched by Antarctic sea ice gain"	Arctic sea ice loss is three times greater than Antarctic sea ice gain.	7
"It warmed just as fast in 1860-1880 and 1910-1940"	The warming trend over 1970 to 2001 is greater than warming from both 1860 to 1880 and 1910 to 1940.	7
"Lindzen and Choi find low climate sensitivity"	Lindzen and Choi’s paper is viewed as unacceptably flawed by other climate scientists.	6
"Models are unreliable"	Models successfully reproduce temperatures since 1900 globally, by land, in the air and the ocean.	6
"Hurricanes aren't linked to global warming"	There is increasing evidence that hurricanes are getting stronger due to global warming.	6
"IPCC ‘disappeared’ the Medieval Warm Period"	The IPCC simply updated their temperature history graphs to show the best data available at the time.	6
"Extreme weather isn't caused by global warming"	Extreme weather events are being made more frequent and worse by global warming.	5
"IPCC is alarmist"	Numerous papers have documented how IPCC predictions are more likely to underestimate the climate response.	5
"Climate's changed before"	Climate reacts to whatever forces it to change at the time; humans are now the dominant forcing.	5
"Greenland is gaining ice"	Greenland on the whole is losing ice, as confirmed by satellite measurement.	5
"It's global brightening"	This is a complex aerosol effect with unclear temperature significance.	5
"CO2 limits will make little difference"	If every nation agrees to limit CO2 emissions, we can achieve significant cuts on a global scale.	5
"Arctic was warmer in 1940"	The actual data show high northern latitudes are warmer today than in 1940.	5
"It hasn't warmed since 1998"	Every part of the Earth's climate system has continued warming since 1998, with 2015 shattering temperature records.	4
"It's not bad"	Negative impacts of global warming on agriculture, health & environment far outweigh any positives.	4
"Oceans are cooling"	The most recent ocean measurements show consistent warming.	4
"An exponential increase in CO2 will result in a linear increase in temperature"	CO2 levels are rising so fast that unless we decrease emissions, global warming will accelerate this century.	4
"CO2 lags temperature"	CO2 didn't initiate warming from past ice ages but it did amplify the warming.	4
"Climategate CRU emails suggest conspiracy"	A number of investigations have cleared scientists of any wrongdoing in the media-hyped email incident.	4
"Al Gore got it wrong"	Al Gore's book is quite accurate, and far more accurate than contrarian books.	4
"It's the sun"	In the last 35 years of global warming, sun and climate have been going in opposite directions	4
"Arctic icemelt is a natural cycle"	Thick Arctic sea ice is undergoing a rapid retreat.	4
"It warmed before 1940 when CO2 was low"	Early 20th century warming is due to several causes, including rising CO2.	3
"Mt. Kilimanjaro's ice loss is due to land use"	Most glaciers are in rapid retreat worldwide, notwithstanding a few complicated cases.	3
"There's no empirical evidence"	There are multiple lines of direct observations that humans are causing global warming.	3
"Temp record is unreliable"	The warming trend is the same in rural and urban areas, measured by thermometers and satellites.	3
"It's Urban Heat Island effect"	Urban and rural regions show the same warming trend.	3
"Climate scientists are in it for the money"	Climate scientists could make far more money in other careers - most notably, working for the oil industry.	3
"Earth hasn't warmed as much as expected"	This argument ignores the cooling effect of aerosols and the planet's thermal inertia.	3
"There's no correlation between CO2 and temperature"	There is long-term correlation between CO2 and global temperature; other effects are short-term.	3
"Was Greenland really green in the past?"	Other parts of the earth got colder when Greenland got warmer.	3
"Skeptics were kept out of the IPCC?"	Official records, Editors and emails suggest CRU scientists acted in the spirit if not the letter of IPCC rules.	2
"2009-2010 winter saw record cold spells"	A cold day in Chicago in winter has nothing to do with the trend of global warming.	2
"Hansen's 1988 prediction was wrong"	Jim Hansen had several possible scenarios; his mid-level scenario B was right.	2
"IPCC were wrong about Himalayan glaciers"	Glaciers are in rapid retreat worldwide, despite 1 error in 1 paragraph in a 1000 page IPCC report.	2
"CO2 limits will hurt the poor"	Those who contribute the least greenhouse gases will be most impacted by climate change.	2
"Antarctica is gaining ice"	Satellites measure Antarctica losing land ice at an accelerating rate.	2
"Polar bear numbers are increasing"	Polar bears are in danger of extinction as well as many other species.	2
"Greenland ice sheet won't collapse"	When Greenland was 3 to 5 degrees C warmer than today, a large portion of the Ice Sheet melted.	2
"Ocean acidification isn't serious"	Ocean acidification threatens entire marine food chains.	2
"Arctic sea ice has recovered"	Thick arctic sea ice is in rapid retreat.	2
"We're coming out of the Little Ice Age"	Scientists have determined that the factors which caused the Little Ice Age cooling are not currently causing global warming.	2
"CO2 was higher in the past"	Climate has changed along with CO2 levels through geological time.	2
"CO2 is plant food"	The effects of enhanced CO2 on terrestrial plants are variable and complex and dependent on numerous factors	2
"Phil Jones says no global warming since 1995"	Phil Jones was misquoted.	2
"Global warming stopped in 1998, 1995, 2002, 2007, 2010, ????"	Global temperature is still rising and 2010 was the hottest recorded.	2
"There is no consensus"	97% of climate experts agree humans are causing global warming.	2
"Sea level is not rising"	The claim sea level isn’t rising is based on blatantly doctored graphs contradicted by observations.	2
"Record high snow cover was set in winter 2008/2009"	Winter snow cover in 2008/2009 was average while the long-term trend in spring, summer, and annual snow cover is rapid decline.	1
"Satellites show no warming in the troposphere"	The most recent satellite data show that the earth as a whole is warming.	1
"It's microsite influences"	Microsite influences on temperature changes are minimal; good and bad sites show the same trend.	1
"CO2 has a short residence time"	Excess CO2 from human emissions has a long residence time of over 100 years	1
"Glaciers are growing"	Most glaciers are retreating, posing a serious problem for millions who rely on glaciers for water.	1
"CO2 is just a trace gas"	Many substances are dangerous even in trace amounts; what really matters is the total amount of CO2 in the atmosphere.	1
"Ice Sheet losses are overestimated"	A number of independent measurements find extensive ice loss from Antarctica and Greenland.	1
"CO2 is not a pollutant"	Through its impacts on the climate, CO2 presents a danger to public health and welfare, and thus qualifies as an air pollutant	1
"Corals are resilient to bleaching"	Globally about 1% of coral is dying out each year.	1
"Tuvalu sea level isn't rising"	Tuvalu sea level is rising 3 times larger than the global average.	1
"Ice age predicted in the 70s"	The vast majority of climate papers in the 1970s predicted warming.	1
"Coral atolls grow as sea levels rise"	Thousands of coral atolls have "drowned" when unable to grow fast enough to survive at sea level.	1
"Peer review process was corrupted"	An Independent Review concluded that CRU's actions were normal and didn't threaten the integrity of peer review.	1
"It's not urgent"	A large amount of warming is delayed, and if we don’t act now we could pass tipping points.	1
"It's not us"	Multiple sets of independent observations find a human fingerprint on climate change.	1
"Greenland has only lost a tiny fraction of its ice mass"	Greenland's ice loss is accelerating & will add metres of sea level rise in upcoming centuries.	1
"Climate is chaotic and cannot be predicted"	Weather is chaotic but climate is driven by Earth's energy imbalance, which is more predictable.	1
"It's freaking cold!"	A local cold day has nothing to do with the long-term trend of increasing global temperatures.	1
"Over 31,000 scientists signed the OISM Petition Project"	The 'OISM petition' was signed by only a few climatologists.	1
"It's too hard"	Scientific studies have determined that current technology is sufficient to reduce greenhouse gas emissions enough to avoid dangerous climate change.	1
"Animals and plants can adapt"	Global warming will cause mass extinctions of species that cannot adapt on short time scales.	1
"Scientists tried to 'hide the decline' in global temperature"	The 'decline' refers to a decline in northern tree-rings, not global temperature, and is openly discussed in papers and the IPCC reports.	1
"Southern sea ice is increasing"	Antarctic sea ice has grown in recent decades despite the Southern Ocean warming at the same time.	1
"CRU tampered with temperature data"	An independent inquiry went back to primary data sources and were able to replicate CRU's results.	1
"It's Pacific Decadal Oscillation"	The PDO shows no trend, and therefore the PDO is not responsible for the trend of global warming.	1
"Trenberth can't account for the lack of warming"	Trenberth is talking about the details of energy flow, not whether global warming is happening.	1
"Clouds provide negative feedback"	Evidence is building that net cloud feedback is likely positive and unlikely to be strongly negative.	1
"IPCC graph showing accelerating trends is misleading"	All of the statements made in the IPCC report regarding the figure in question are correct and supported.

 

All this is overblown.
As for the scientists -the real ones, no black Friday- they will do anything for an EU grant or government grant.
Jump into the fountain of Trafalgar square.

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2 hours ago, cosmicway said:

Look, I have never seen a climate change.
I have seen atmospheric pollution in cities but this is easily reversible once the appropriate measures are taken,
So it's a myth.

You’ve never seen the earth from space either, but you do know it’s spherical…. Don’t you? 😉