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RFK Jr condemned as ‘clear and present danger’ after Trump nomination

Nominee for health secretary decried as ‘vaccine denier and tin foil hat conspiracy theorist … this is going to cost lives’

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/14/trump-administration-rfk-criticisms

Donald Trump’s nomination of Robert F Kennedy Jr as US secretary of health and human services has prompted widespread criticisms towards Kennedy, an anti-vaccine activist who has embraced a slew of other debunked health-related conspiracy theories.

In a Truth Social post on Thursday, Trump claimed that Americans have been “crushed by the industrial food complex and drug companies” and that Kennedy “will restore these Agencies to the traditions of Gold Standard Scientific Research, and beacons of Transparency, to end the Chronic Disease epidemic, and to Make America Great and Healthy Again!”

In response to Kennedy’s nomination, Public Citizen, a progressive nonprofit organization focusing on consumer advocacy, said: “Robert F Kennedy Jr is a clear and present danger to the nation’s health. He shouldn’t be allowed in the building at the department of health and human services (HHS), let alone be placed in charge of the nation’s public health agency.”

“Donald Trump’s bungling of public health policy during the Covid pandemic cost hundreds of thousands of lives. By appointing Kennedy as his secretary of HHS, Trump is courting another, policy-driven public health catastrophe,” the organization added.

Apu Akkad, an infectious disease physician at the University of Southern California, called the announcement a “scary day for public health”.

“I’m saying this over and over – but it will be of the utmost importance to ONLY make public health decisions or changes based on robust evidence. I hope we have at least learned this much from Covid,” Akkad added on X.

The conservative pundit and lawyer George Conway also commented on Kennedy’s nomination, along with that of Tulsi Gabbard and Matt Gaetz.

“Very little of what Trump does these days amazes me. Any one of the last three of Trump’s Cabinet-level picks (Gabbard as DNI, Gaetz as AG, RFK Jr for HHS), standing alone, would arguably have been the worst in American history. The fact that Trump made all three in a span of roughly 24 hours is astonishing,” Conway wrote.

California’s Democratic representative Robert Garcia called the nomination “fucking insane”, writing on X: “He’s a vaccine denier and a tin foil hat conspiracy theorist. He will destroy our public health infrastructure and our vaccine distribution systems. This is going to cost lives.”

Alastair McAlpine, a pediatric physician at British Columbia’s children’s hospital, wrote: “It is hard to overstate what a terrible decision this is. RFK Jr has no medical training. He is a hardcore anti-vaccine and misinformation peddler. The last time he meddled in a state’s medical affairs (Samoa), 83 children died of measles.”

According to FactCheck.org, in 2018, two infants in Samoa died when nurses accidentally prepared the MMR (measles, mumps and rubella) vaccine with an expired muscle relaxant instead of water. Following the infants’ deaths, the Samoan government temporarily suspended the vaccination program.

The temporary suspension prompted Kennedy and his anti-vaccine nonprofit Children’s Health Defense to reportedly spread various falsehoods about vaccinations across the island, in turn resulting in a drastic decline in vaccination rates.

A year later, a measles outbreak on the island caused by a sick traveler ended up infecting more than 57,000 people and killing 83, including children.

In an interview for a documentary, Shot in the Arm, Kennedy said he bears no responsibility for the outcome.

On another health issue, Kennedy has said that Trump would push to eliminate fluoride from drinking water, a mineral that strengthens teeth and reduces cavities, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Throughout his own independent campaign trail, Kennedy has also touted the effectiveness of raw milk and ivermectin, an anti-parasitic drug that has been disproved as a Covid cure. In addition to health-related conspiracies, Kennedy has admitted to decapitating a beached whale and collecting its head, and to dumping a dead bear cub in New York City’s Central Park a decade ago because he did not have time to skin it and eat it later.

Kennedy has also said that he had a worm in his brain which “ate a portion of it and then died” and vowed “to eat five more brain worms and still beat” Trump and Joe Biden in a staged debate earlier this year.

 

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https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/biden-legacy-trump-election-win-1235154852/

President Joe Biden during an address to the nation about his decision not to seek reelection in July - Andrew Harnik/Getty Images   

 

In 2022, President Joe Biden stood at a crossroads. His party had just shattered midterm expectations — the strongest showing for a first-term president in decades. It was a triumphant moment that came with a choice: step aside in victory or tempt fate for four more years.

 

A graceful exit then would have allowed an open primary, giving presidential hopefuls time to make their case to voters. 

 

He chose wrong.

 

After delivering a devastating debate performance, the rapidly diminishing 81-year-old president was still convinced that he, and precisely no one else, could save America.

 

This astonishing Buchananesque approach — declare yourself the only solution while actively making the problem worse — inspired unprecedented reactions: House Speaker Emerita Nancy Pelosi emerged from retirement to pressure a transition.

 

Democrats increasingly broke their silence.

 

And this presidential historian found herself writing the hardest essay of her career: I called for an ostensibly successful, unindicted president to resign in these pages. 

 

I calibrated my appeal to his outsized ego — a trait he shares with the 44 men who preceded him.

 

My focus wasn’t saving democracy — though that would be a welcome bonus — but to what the archives have taught me commanders-in-chief hold most dear: their place in presidential history.

 

I celebrated his truly FDR-scale achievements while offering a dignity-preserving escape plan wrapped in historical glory: by listening to the electorate’s concerns and elevating the first woman president, he could join George Washington in democracy’s most exclusive club — one Donald Trump will never be accepted into — those rare leaders who chose to walk away from power. 

 

My legacy-saving solution was simple: 

1. Step aside as the 2024 candidate, signaling to the party he leads that they could move forward decisively.
2. Resign because most Americans believe you are unfit — and let those Oval Office photos of Kamala Harris silence the “she’s not presidential” chorus.
3. Retreat faster than Washington crossed the Delaware, allowing Harris to distance herself from your policies, secure your position as one of the greats in presidential history.

One needn’t be a presidential historian to see impending disasters everywhere.

 

He ignored them all. The most unsubtle red flags: 

• 86 percent of Americans declared him too old in February.
• 71 percent of his own party begged for alternatives.
• Gaza protesters became his unwanted opening act.
• Trump’s overwhelming lead, a political death knell.

Two days after my essay was published, Biden announced he would indeed step aside — and a hurried coronation would follow. In that moment, he did to his legacy what Charles Guiteau did to James A. Garfield in that fateful July of 1881: inflicted a mortal wound that would take a few months to kill.

 

Yes, Biden resigned — but with a poisoned chalice in hand, giving Harris merely two months to defend his indefensible position on Gaza while he periodically emerged from Delaware to kneecap her. 

 

Biden could have been his legacy’s savior; instead, he chose to become its executioner, surrounded by a Greek chorus of enablers who hummed approval as he sharpened the blade.

 

When future historians chronicle his presidency, his pathological grip on power will eclipse everything else — a tragedy Shakespeare himself might have deemed too obvious in its hubris.

 

His truly spectacular list of accomplishments will serve merely as dramatic irony, a glittering prelude to catastrophe. 

 

The C-SPAN presidential survey — where 142 historians score each president from 1 to 10 on leadership qualities — looms like an approaching executioner, ready to bury Biden’s legacy alive. In 2021, Trump was fourth from the bottom. 

 

Biden may now rank toward the middle tier, but that’s quicksand territory that few escape.

 

I think it’s more than likely he’ll soon join history’s basement dwellers: James Buchanan (watched the Union crumble with the passive interest of a theater critic), Herbert Hoover (conducted the economy’s funeral march), and Trump, who at least never posed as democracy’s champion while suffocating it.

 

Biden will be the only resident of this dark basement with genuine achievements worth eulogizing: He remains the only presidential candidate to defeat Trump.

 

The $1.2 trillion Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act (at last, bridges that don’t threaten suicide), the CHIPS Act (America flexing its technological biceps at China), and the first meaningful climate legislation since humans discovered they could wound the atmosphere.

 

He conjured 3.1 percent GDP growth from economists’ doom prophecies. His unemployment numbers made statisticians blush. NATO expanded like a European block party with an open bar.

 

He restored America to something resembling sanity. And, of course, he can be credited with the first woman and first Black woman vice president.

 

Trump can’t erase Kamala Harris — though he’ll attack her at every turn — but he will most certainly reduce most of Biden’s achievements to rubble with the gleeful efficiency of a demolition crew, taking liberal democracy down with them.

 

Some progressive policies may survive, like lower drug prices for seniors, but the most unpopular are more likely: a China strategy whose wisdom remains as murky as Beijing’s air, and a morally bankrupt stance on Gaza, where Biden’s response oscillated between comatose and criminal. 

 

And the nightmare compounds: The Supreme Court, already listing hard to starboard, likely faces two vacancies in the next four years.

 

Trump will cement a judicial fortress that will overshadow not just our lifetimes, but our children’s — a death sentence for countless daughters who will bleed out in states where their grandmothers secured their right to live.

 

Biden entered politics at 29, barely old enough to meet the Senate’s constitutional threshold, and he’ll exit at 82, having methodically dismantled his life’s work.

 

In the court of presidential history, the verdict will be brutal: He squandered his legacy and left democracy’s door ajar for precisely what he promised to prevent.

 

Alexis Coe is an American presidential historian, senior fellow at New America, and the author of, most recently, the New York Times best-selling You Never Forget Your First: A Biography of George Washington. 

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Why keep up comments wherein you two WHS and V throw out names, to have the same in return, deleted. Clearly both missing brains. Hence getting along. 
 

Enjoy as said, the echo chamber of nonsense drying up. Learn how to interpret information simply. Both digest it like children so miss most points going over heads. 

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zios at work again

start up shit, attack people at the French v Israel match

then scream 'antisemitism!' (along with the lickspittle politicians)

fucking cunts

Moment 'Israeli fans launch attacks on French rivals during flashpoint football match in Paris after being taunted over Gaza'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14084503/Violence-France-football-match-against-Israel.html

Shocking footage shows the moment violent scenes broke out in Paris on Thursday night - as witnesses accused a group of Israeli football fans of launching an attack on French supporters during their high security match.

A mobile phone recording shows the moment fans fled their seats as the chaos erupted in the Stade de France, which onlookers have claim the away side's fans started. 

Witnesses say they saw young men wearing masks and balaclavas with blue Star of David flags on their backs apparently rampaging across seats, and then punching victims.

A heavy security presence was put in place by French officials to prevent a repeat of the violence seen last week when Israeli side Maccabi Tel Aviv played in Amsterdam.

However, the atmosphere inside the ground was still incredibly tense and whistles could be heard during the Israeli national anthem – which is said to have annoyed the visiting supporters.

At one point, it is claimed two Palestinian flags were brandished by home supporters, despite all flags being banned from the ground except the French tricolours and the Israeli Star of Davids.

Another image taken from inside the stadium appears to shows a group of Israel supporters crowding round a France fan who is lying on the ground, and believed to be badly injured.

'France supporters retreated in the face of an attack by several dozen Israeli supporters,' said a spectator at the scene, who asked to be referred to as Etienne.

'We were in an area of the ground occupied by both sets of supporters, and there was a lot of shouting between the two sides – some of it referring to the killing in Gaza.

'The Israeli fans became very angry and charged towards us, throwing punches at anyone they caught,' said Etienne.

Another witness said he saw a French fan fall to the ground, before being surrounded by a group of Israel fans, who punched and kicked him repeatedly.

Stewards eventually intervened, setting up a double security cordon between the two sets of fans.

There were also images taken of at least one man wearing an Israeli Defence Force (IDF) T-shirt.

One Israel fan, who asked not to be named, said he was in Paris on an organised visit, and had recently been fighting with the IDF in Lebanon.

‘I’ve come along to the game to the enjoy the football, and am sorry there is so much tension between the two sets of supporters.

 

lickspittle:

 

 

also

 

More reports coming out of #Israel’s Mossad role in the #Amsterdam events. That they were embedded with the racist hooligans, fans were getting text messages from each other not to respect the minute silence for the Spanish dead in Valencia floods. No effort was made to stop the hooliganism outside before locals started attacking Israeli fans. The narrative quickly turned into bogus antisemitism etc. The point here is Zionists have completely lost the public narrative due to the #Gaza genocide so they’re now turning to their usual dirty tricks to sway opinion in Europe. It’s a desperate failure, too late bc people now know the truth

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2 minutes ago, IMissEden said:

Why keep up comments wherein you two WHS and V throw out names, to have the same in return, deleted. Clearly both missing brains. Hence getting along

I did not delete anything.

I am just a poster.

I have no special admin powers.

Hell, after an hour goes by, I cannot even delete nor edit my own posts.

Also, I can assure you I am not the one 'missing brains.'

Try harder, your ad hominem game is btec.

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2 hours ago, Vesper said:

 

What he actually believes in? Or what he has said if you can get info without giving me those news source that distort the info, by miss quoting or taking things out of context. 

Would like to hear his own rationale un bias. 

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3 minutes ago, Fernando said:

What he actually believes in? Or what he has said if you can get info without giving me those news source that distort the info, by miss quoting or taking things out of context. 

Would like to hear his own rationale un bias. 

He is a fucking lunatic and staggeringly unqualified.

There is no way to sanewash him.

Anyone who legimately thinks RFK Jr is a viable head for US Department of Health and Human Services is so far round the bend I cannot help them.

He is, besides the fact he is a radical conspiracy theorist and a deeply disturbed human (he was a heroin addict/dealer, likely a serial sexual abuser, and did shit like chainsaw off the head of a shark, strap it to his family car (with his family in it) and drive it hundreds of miles, plus picked a dead bear cub (for meat) in upsate NY, and then ended up dropping it off in Central Park in NYC, and then filed a false claim with the coppers that a bicyclists killed it, etc etc), a person with ZERO experience running anything even one one hundreth the size of that massive, trillions of dollars budgeted, hundreds of thousands of people interlocked HHS organisation.

He is an archetypal troll pick by troll supreme Trump.

 

 

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28 minutes ago, Vesper said:

He is a fucking lunatic and staggeringly unqualified.

There is no way to sanewash him.

Anyone who legimately thinks RFK Jr is a viable head for US Department of Health and Human Services is so far round the bend I cannot help them.

He is, besides the fact he is a radical conspiracy theorist and a deeply disturbed human (he was a heroin addict/dealer, likely a serial sexual abuser, and did shit like chainsaw off the head of a shark, strap it to his family car (with his family in it) and drive it hundreds of miles, plus picked a dead bear cub (for meat) in upsate NY, and then ended up dropping it off in Central Park in NYC, and then filed a false claim with the coppers that a bicyclists killed it, etc etc), a person with ZERO experience running anything even one one hundreth the size of that massive, trillions of dollars budgeted, hundreds of thousands of people interlocked HHS organisation.

He is an archetypal troll pick by troll supreme Trump.

 

 

I still want to hear from the man himself what is he saying. And in context. 

Edited November 15 by Fernando

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lolololol

Donald Trump Supporters Are Already Finding Out What Their Vote Actually Meant, And The Stories Are Going Viral

https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-supporters-already-finding-184406723.html

Twitter: @Cavalorn In light of the 2024 election results, some have been evoking a 2015 meme that pretty succinctly sums up the obvious harm that a voter for Donald Trump is likely to inflict on themselves down the road: — Adrian Bott (@Cavalorn) October 16, 2015
'I never thought leopards would eat MY face,' sobs woman who voted for the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party.

In a recent post-election article, we highlighted stories of Trump supporters who are already finding out what their vote actually meant. Now, we're back with a few more:

Twitter: @luvin_JnJ 1. There's the coworker who thought that Trump's plan to scrap the Department of Education wouldn't affect her special needs child who relies on its funding: — 🍫 Fat Thigh Business 🍖 (@luvin_JnJ) November 13, 2024
It happened today a coworker (white lesbian with a special needs child) spoke about how she voted for Orange man because of her “beliefs and faith” said she didn’t know about his plans with DOE and he’s not “allowed” to take away funding especially for special needs kids 🙃

 

Twitter: @memetazaa 

2. There's the "MAGA cousin" who found out, lo and behold, that grocery prices will likely actually increase: — gilbert (@memetazaa) November 14, 2024
my MAGA cousin who voted for trump's texts in the family groupchat😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 pic.twitter.com/e3g1pf6lA0

Twitter: @leftcoastbabe 

3. There's the "Latino male Trump voter" who was granted asylum but didn't think that Trump's mass deportation promises would extend to "family-oriented" undocumented immigrants: — Janice Hough (@leftcoastbabe) November 11, 2024
Latino male Trump voter told CNN mass deportation won't extend to law-abiding workers.“That wouldn’t be fair. They need to make sure that they don’t throw away, they don’t kick out, they don’t deport people that are family oriented.”Anyone got a face-eating leopard emoji?

Twitter: @highbrow_nobrow 

4. There's the woman who thought that Trump's plans for social security only applied to immigrants. Undocumented immigrants are not eligible for social security or medicare: — The Intellectualist (@highbrow_nobrow) November 10, 2024
There is already a lot of Trump regret. pic.twitter.com/HQlUnlFaBm

5.There's the people on the pro-Trump subreddit r/Conservative who were surprised that Trump's cabinet picks, including Matt Gaetz as Attorney General, were bad:

Reddit / Via reddit.com

6. There's the cousin who doesn't think "women should have property" but still expected them to have him for Thanksgiving:

7. There's the MAGA neighbor who became "angry" once he learned how tariffs work:

8. There's the non-voter who commented on a pro-Trump subreddit and learned that mass deportations do apply to his "amazingly intelligent and brilliantly gorgeous gf...here illegally from Colombia":

 

Reddit / Via reddit.com

9. There's the Trump voter "getting a little nervous" as her child uses an Individualized Education Program:

Reddit / Via reddit.com

10. There's the former DACA recipient with undocumented parents who voted for Trump and became "utterly terrified" once he began getting "Pack your bags.." texts:

@agentselfNSA / Via x.com

11. There's the "Trump guy" who got mad that people wouldn't sell him materials for the same price if they became more expensive under Trump's tariffs:

@Andie0047 / Via x.com

12. There's the Trump voter who took the explanation that mass deportations might affect his undocumented daughter-in-law "badly":

Reddit / Via reddit.com

13. There's the railroader afraid that cuts to workplace regulations could jeopardize his safety:

 

r/Conservative via Reddit / Via reddit.com

Yikes. If you have a story about family members, friends, or neighbors who recently realized what their Trump vote actually meant, let us know in the comments below. Your response could be featured in an upcoming BuzzFeed Community post.

 

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12 minutes ago, Fernando said:

I still want to hear from the man himself what is he saying. And in context. 

go do your 'research'

LOLOL

there are a shedload of videos with him speaking, and also videos talking about his entire fucked up life

he and Matt Gaetz are the two worst cabinet nominations in the past 100 years or so, absolute jokes, and absolutely horrid human beings to boot

the ONLY way either gets into their positions is via a 'recess appointment' (and I do not see both chambers of Congress adjouring for ten days just so Trump can strip the Senate of its 'advise and consent' Constitutional role)

Muliple Repubicans have already called out both

along with Tulsi Gabbard as the (National Director of Intelligence (NDI)

(she is a profound national security risk, as well as having no remotely acceptable experience whatsoever)

 

[Fernando 6,477]

1 minute ago, Vesper said:

go do your 'research'

LOLOL

there are a shedload of videos with him speaking, and also videos talking about his entire fucked up life

he and Matt Gaetz are the two worst cabinet nominations in the past 100 years or so, absolute jokes, and absolutely horrid human beings to boot

the ONLY way either gets into their positions is via a 'recess appointment' (and I do not see both chambers of Congress adjouring for ten days just so Trump can strip the Senate of its 'advise and consent' Constitutional role)

Muliple Repubicans have already called out both

along with Tulsi Gabbard as the (National Director of Intelligence (NDI)

(she is a profound national security risk, as well as having no remotely acceptable experience whatsoever)

 

That is your opinion. But like I said I want to hear what they say un bias and in context so i can make up my mind about why your saying that. 

 

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Just now, Fernando said:

That is your opinion. But like I said I want to hear what they say un bias and in context so i can make up my mind about why your saying that. 

 

it is not just my opionion

I have posted facts and backgrounding about RFK Jr, the sum of which expose him as an unhinged and dangerous person who should NEVER be within a million kilometres of overseeing the overall direction of the US health care system

but by all means

go find 'alternative facts' and convince yourself into thinking he will work out just swell as the head of HHS

the very fact that this rotter is even up for debate to run the American healthcare system shows how absolutely fucked up the US is atm

 

[Fernando 6,477]

5 minutes ago, Vesper said:

it is not just my opionion

I have posted facts and backgrounding about RFK Jr, the sum of which expose him as an unhinged and dangerous person who should NEVER be within a million kilometres of overseeing the overall direction of the US health care system

but by all means

go find 'alternative facts' and convince yourself into thinking he will work out just swell as the head of HHS

the very fact that this rotter is even up for debate to run the American healthcare system shows how absolutely fucked up the US is atm

 

Well I just watch this video. Un bias and in context. 

 

He is a Christian and old. I did not hear any crazy stuff here. 

He also appear on Joe Rogan. I'm just watching it now and I will tell you about what I hear. 

 

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[cosmicway 1,333]

EARLY TRUMP DAYS AND DEJA VUS
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Fulham Broadway the well known TC poster does n't like me writing stories from Greece.
Me ne frego.
It's my theasurus of political knowledge.

This is Sperantza Vranas:
 

a sexy idol of the fifties.
How does she relate ?

Sperantza Vranas was crazy about the Pasok party.
In 1981 after the October election victory Sperantza was made radio commentator and she was broadcasting every day a five minute program, "five minutes with Sperantza".
That was the craziest Pasok propaganda you ever imagined or heard.

She is a legend of course.
But the Greek radio and television company ERT are stupid people.
While BBC collect all of their old time goodies and have opened an e-shop from where we can by cassettes and videos, those fools throw everything away.
If anyone had recorded the Sperantza programs he could make a fortune.
Those gems are lost.

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