Politics & Stuff

[cosmicway 1,333]

1 hour ago, Vesper said:

What exactly are you disagreeing with me about?

I in no way remotely listed all of the many reasons why Trump won.

I just put out 3 reasons for a depressed Democratic turnout, and those 3 are not the only ones.

If you disagree with those 3 reasons for depressed turnout, then please do elaborate as to why.

 

 

It's not that he won.
He was going to finish thereabouts in any case once the republican party did not split because of J6 and he managed to handle it.
Also any attempt by the dems to approach soft never Trump republicans quite clearly never worked.

We are researching why so many dems stayed at home.
So I don't think it was illegal immigration because that is an old story.
I also don't think it was Trump's "money exists" promises, because if you believe that it rather makes you vote Trump, not abstain.
It was overwokism.
Palestine also, why not ? After all 7/10 was designed to boost Trump (old trick - divide the enemies of Allah - divide the class enemies).
Imagine the maximalist scenario. Trump dismantles NATO. The sixth fleet is pulled out of the med. Trump gives the finger to the Europeans,
Then Putin takes over. As things stand now Putin has more chances from the south than he has from the north.
The north scenario is after Ukraine jump to Finland, Sweden, Poland. But the south scenario is easier (always without NATO) and political excuses can be found. Go for Serbia, Turkey or Greece, Syria, Egypt ...

Edited November 11 by cosmicway

[Fulham Broadway 16,893]

More evidence from Amsterdam people  of the Maccabi Nazis assaulting people - chanting genocide to arabs and boasting about killing children

 

[cosmicway 1,333]

1 hour ago, Fulham Broadway said:

More evidence from Amsterdam people  of the Maccabi Nazis assaulting people - chanting genocide to arabs and boasting about killing children

 

I would do that if I was in a city where they are displaying this flag:

[cosmicway 1,333]

How many people identify with the Palestinians in America - UK - Europe ?
I don't mean having views like mine (if used peaceful methods they would have the pal state now). Those are likely to be the majority.
I mean identify with Gaza after the 7/10 events.

[Fernando 6,477]

On 06/11/2024 at 09:04, cosmicway said:

No, don't believe that.
Propping up Trump was within Hamash plans to perpetrate the 7/10 atrocities.
It succeeded. Jews voted for "hardliner" Trump, muslims abstained from voting democrat.
This lot of muslims who voted Trump as you say were maybe Turko-americans.
 

‘They blew it’: Democrats lost 22,000 votes in Michigan’s heavily Arab American cities

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/09/democrats-lose-michigan-arab-american-voters

 

Arabs did vote for Trump as I was saying. 

[Fernando 6,477]

8 hours ago, Vesper said:

 

There are a tonne of reasons I will lay out over the next month

BUT

let's start with 3 big ones:

1. The Democrats never should have publically embraced and campaigned with hard RW neocons (the so-called Never-Trumper Republicans). That dismayed vast swathes of the Dem's base and at the same time yielded few R's to switch over to the Dems to replace the lost Dem base voters. Same for Biden's zionist boot-licking (in actual deeds, not his hollow words).

2. The RW is VASTLY better at social media, podcasts, and old school talk radio (plus Fox News). Social media is a pox, and AI is now making it far worse. Some their messaging depressed LW turnout, as the constant droning that America is fucked (how ironic) led many casual Dem voters to develop a feeling of hopelessness and also fear (of voting) via intimidation. Plus it also vaused a shedload of traditional Dem voters to swith to supporting the Repubs (which also lowered Dem vot toatals of course).

3. Because of the 2 centre-RW Democratic Senators (the POS's Joe Manchin of WV and Kyrsten Sinema of AZ) refusing to carve out a filibuster exception for 2 massively vital voting rights acts back in 2022, the Rethugs (at every level, from precinct up to statewide level) purged and voter supressed the hell out of millions of Dem voters nationwide via a myriad number of malign ways.

On the 2 when Trump won he mentioned Joe Rogan. 

So you are right he used social media to his benefits. 

I guess him doing this interview help him get more votes. 

As well going against NY times as I told you before. Never the newspaper should say not do this as people will do the opposite. 

Anyhow here's the Joe Rogan interview which Trump gave a shout out when he won. 

 

 

[cosmicway 1,333]

21 minutes ago, Fernando said:

‘They blew it’: Democrats lost 22,000 votes in Michigan’s heavily Arab American cities

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/09/democrats-lose-michigan-arab-american-voters

 

Arabs did vote for Trump as I was saying. 

22,000 is a small number (even for Greece !).

[IMissEden 21]

20 minutes ago, Fernando said:

On the 2 when Trump won he mentioned Joe Rogan. 

So you are right he used social media to his benefits. 

I guess him doing this interview help him get more votes. 

As well going against NY times as I told you before. Never the newspaper should say not do this as people will do the opposite. 

Anyhow here's the Joe Rogan interview which Trump gave a shout out when he won. 

 

 

? 
Since say, 2010, social media has been a priority tool for most in politics. Dems rely on it — they pay meme accounts to post things, make sure they go viral and etch into peoples minds. Normal. 

Repub have bucked the modern trends — that’s pretty much core to who they are —- and this is an extremely late arrival at the table, last to use it, re utilising social media as the primary driver. Everything is decided on social media now via manipulated frames. Or has been set that way over last 15 or so years. But not for red. Every Conservative party no matter the country are the last, latest arrivers to it. Can take that as unaware of latest trends, or, not caring to be aware of how to manipulate people. 
 

It’s nothing to comment on at this stage. 
 

Vesper’s comment is Wrong, re “RW are best at social media use”. Categorically just nah. That can’t even be unpacked because of how shockingly wrong a take it is. My word 

Edited November 11 by IMissEden

[cosmicway 1,333]

2 minutes ago, IMissEden said:

? 
Since say, 2010, social media has been a priority tool for most in politics. Dems rely on it — they pay meme accounts to post things, make sure they go viral and etch into peoples minds. Normal. 

Repub have bucked the modern trends — that’s pretty much core to who they are —- and this is an extremely late arrival at the table, last to use it, re utilising social media as the primary driver. Everything is decided on social media now via manipulated frames. Or has been set that way over last 15 or so years. But not for red. Every Conservative party no matter the country are the last, latest arrivers to it. Can take that as unaware of latest trends, or, not caring to be aware of how to manipulate people. 
 

It’s nothing to comment on at this stage. 

In the UK the Tories-Mogg-Farage own 99.5% of the media.
In America I don't know - maybe evens.

[Fernando 6,477]

1 hour ago, IMissEden said:

? 
Since say, 2010, social media has been a priority tool for most in politics. Dems rely on it — they pay meme accounts to post things, make sure they go viral and etch into peoples minds. Normal. 

Repub have bucked the modern trends — that’s pretty much core to who they are —- and this is an extremely late arrival at the table, last to use it, re utilising social media as the primary driver. Everything is decided on social media now via manipulated frames. Or has been set that way over last 15 or so years. But not for red. Every Conservative party no matter the country are the last, latest arrivers to it. Can take that as unaware of latest trends, or, not caring to be aware of how to manipulate people. 
 

It’s nothing to comment on at this stage. 
 

Vesper’s comment is Wrong, re “RW are best at social media use”. Categorically just nah. That can’t even be unpacked because of how shockingly wrong a take it is. My word 

Anyhow that Joe Rogan interview was really good. 

I like to hear everything on context. 

The problem with news and articles today's they miss quote and take things out of context. When you hear everything in context this guy is smart for business. 

I saw a video of Latin voters saying they vote for him because economy was good with him before. 

[Fulham Broadway 16,893]

4 hours ago, cosmicway said:

I would do that if I was in a city where they are displaying this flag:

Maccabi Zio Nazis attacked and seriously injured a Greek fan over in your country too

[Fulham Broadway 16,893]

2 hours ago, cosmicway said:

In the UK the Tories-Mogg-Farage own 99.5% of the media.
In America I don't know - maybe evens.

Another made up post

Report: Who Owns the UK Media? 2021 | Media Reform Coalition

[Fulham Broadway 16,893]

1 hour ago, Fernando said:

Anyhow that Joe Rogan interview was really good. 

I like to hear everything on context. 

The problem with news and articles today's they miss quote and take things out of context. When you hear everything in context this guy is smart for business. 

I saw a video of Latin voters saying they vote for him because economy was good with him before. 

Do you know Trumps stance on climate change ? has he shifted at all ?

For right wingers the current level of immigration will seem inconsequential when temps climb by 1.5 degrees.

eg Bangladesh 200 million people, all living below sea level - thats just one nations people that will be on the move when they have no homes to go to 

[cosmicway 1,333]

5 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Another made up post

Report: Who Owns the UK Media? 2021 | Media Reform Coalition

That does n't say who is who.
In my experience British media are Mogg owned.

[Fulham Broadway 16,893]

4 hours ago, cosmicway said:

I would do that if I was in a city where they are displaying this flag:

Think the Germans left Netherland in May 1945....but maybe they are all commies now ?

[cosmicway 1,333]

8 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Maccabi Zio Nazis attacked and seriously injured a Greek fan over in your country too

Maybe some commies went up to them.
Refugees other Arabs in Greece possible but unlikely.

[Fulham Broadway 16,893]

1 minute ago, cosmicway said:

That does n't say who is who.
In my experience British media are Mogg owned.

Which experience is that then ? or are you making shit up again ?

[Fulham Broadway 16,893]

1 minute ago, cosmicway said:

Maybe some commies went up to them.
Refugees other Arabs in Greece possible but unlikely.

No he was a Greek national