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9 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

stop proliferation to rogue nations and Bin Laden

What would you say constitutes a 'rogue' nation ? Israel ? or one that's killed over 42 million people since 1945 ? 

Bin Laden is dead by the way, shot in the face.

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3 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

What would you say constitutes a 'rogue' nation ? Israel ? or one that's killed over 42 million people since 1945 ? 

Bin Laden is dead by the way, shot in the face.

Israel is an ally of the United States and NATO.
Bin Laden if dead has left descendents.

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As the president-elect and his party celebrate his victory, for some Americans, the prospect of a second Trump term has been less welcoming.

This week, Black people are receiving racist text messages demanding they show up at “plantations,” where they’ll be enslaved

Black people in states including Alabama, South Carolina, Georgia, New York, New Jersey, Nevada, the DC area and elsewhere reported receiving the messages. while at a Texas college campus, protestors carried signs that branded women “property” and carried signs saying ''Fags should be killed''

Associated Press

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31 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

You reckon hes still about ?

How would I know ?
The Americans dumped a body into the sea, said they did n't want him to be buried in a grave that could become a mourners site.
I 'm not a coroner.
Whatever the case may be he had 971 children.

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29 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

As the president-elect and his party celebrate his victory, for some Americans, the prospect of a second Trump term has been less welcoming.

This week, Black people are receiving racist text messages demanding they show up at “plantations,” where they’ll be enslaved

Black people in states including Alabama, South Carolina, Georgia, New York, New Jersey, Nevada, the DC area and elsewhere reported receiving the messages. while at a Texas college campus, protestors carried signs that branded women “property” and carried signs saying ''Fags should be killed''

Associated Press

I told you ... Robespierre ... the knitting ladies.

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8 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

How would I know ?

You suggested 'if he is dead'. You think the Americans are making it up ?

9 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

Whatever the case may be he had 971 children.

Could be an exaggeration - most sources cite 54. 

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1 hour ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Who could have guessed it? Just a matter of hours after the US election result was announced, Trump’s allies flat-out admitted that Project 2025 was the plan all along.

 

It looks like America is heading towards the theocratic, authoritarian vision laid out by the far-right Heritage Foundation -

despite Trump distancing himself from it during the election campaign . What does that mean for US democracy…and how might it affect us ?

 

Here’s what we know so far:

Various authors of the Project 2025 Report are now jockeying for positions in the new government;

Work has begun on plans to fire tens of thousands of non-partisan federal civil servants, and to replace them with Trump loyalists;

Rumours are swirling that high-level government officials are being made to swear a loyalty pledge – including senior military personnel.

Trump’s team has begun work on a mass deportation plan that will give federal agents unprecedented powers to invade homes and communities, with a bottomless budget to pay for it.

Part of that plan includes new “denaturalisation” powers, which would allow the US government to strip any Americans of their citizenship.  Trump can use this as tool to crush opposition and dissent.

 

 

 

Some things cannot work unless he introduces a dictatorship, after the style of Nicolas Maduro perhaps.
Stalin no matter how mean he was could have done nothing without a dictatorship - the Soviet people would eventually have voted him out and Mitsotakis in (n.b. for whatever that is worth).
So Trump must introduce a real dictatorship and do away with the constitution, if he wants to keep playing that sort of football.

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There is a new version of former US President Donald Trump’s so-called peace plan for Ukraine, which includes a proposal to position European troops in a buffer zone between Ukraine and Russia, according to The Telegraph.

Details of Trump’s plan emerged after Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy warned that any attempt to make peace by appeasing Russia would mean "suicide" for Europe

 Three members of Trump’s team told the publication that this plan version involves freezing the current front line, with Ukraine agreeing to postpone its ambitions to join NATO for 20 years.

In exchange, the US would provide Ukraine with weapons to deter Russia from renewing hostilities. However, the US would not supply troops to patrol or secure the buffer zone or finance such a mission.

"We are not sending American men and women to uphold peace in Ukraine. And we are not paying for it. Get the Poles, Germans, British and French to do it," a member of Trump’s team said

Telegraph

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9 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

There is a new version of former US President Donald Trump’s so-called peace plan for Ukraine, which includes a proposal to position European troops in a buffer zone between Ukraine and Russia, according to The Telegraph.

Details of Trump’s plan emerged after Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy warned that any attempt to make peace by appeasing Russia would mean "suicide" for Europe

 Three members of Trump’s team told the publication that this plan version involves freezing the current front line, with Ukraine agreeing to postpone its ambitions to join NATO for 20 years.

In exchange, the US would provide Ukraine with weapons to deter Russia from renewing hostilities. However, the US would not supply troops to patrol or secure the buffer zone or finance such a mission.

"We are not sending American men and women to uphold peace in Ukraine. And we are not paying for it. Get the Poles, Germans, British and French to do it," a member of Trump’s team said

Telegraph

The man is straight for the funny farm but military suicide as such for Europe I don't believe it.
However political suicide for Europe is more that possible.
There will be two or three Trump client states and Putin will try to make the rest into a sphere of influence, using AFD and other such proxies.
What is left may go communist or "axis of evil".

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‘If that dude’s mama gets deported, that’s on him’:

On Thursday evening, I went on the Roland Martin Unfiltered show to talk about why Latinos overwhelmingly shifted to the right and voted for Donald Trump. Martin, whom I’ve long respected as an analyst on politics back since I was a teenager, had the same response a lot of other people did.

“What the hell happened? Explain it to us,” he asked me.

I noted how Trump’s appeal is largely driven by polarization via education, given that people with college degrees and advanced degrees largely broke for Kamala Harris whereas those without a bachelor’s degree voted for Trump. Latinos are one of the groups least likely to have a college degree.

Understandably, Martin then highlighted multiple stories of Latinos who know they are at risk of being sent out of the United States under Trump’s proposed mass deportation plans but who still voted for the man.

“What the fuck?” he asked, bluntly.

But plenty of Latinos tend to think that they are different from “those types” of immigrants.

Families who came to the United States before it began to tighten its borders or who came here legally look upon families who came here illegally with supsicion. Plenty of border patrol agents themselves are Hispanic.

Martin said to me: “If that dude’s [a Trump voter’s] mama gets deported, that’s on him and I’m gonna play Scarface’s ‘No Tears,’” essentially saying that once Latinos who voted for Trump suffer in the wake of such policies, there will be no sympathy.

This has been the response from plenty of liberal pundits. Jim Acosta of CNN, who is Cuban-American, asked on CNN, “A lot of folks are asking on the Democratic side: Why would they [Latinos] do this to themselves?”

David Corn, the Washington bureau chief for Mother Jones, tweeted: “Perhaps massive deportations will affect how they see Trump.”

AP/Independent

 

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