The TC 'Avram Grant OUT' Topic

[pluto 0]

Tonight wasn't his fault, misschief. The team we played should have beat Wigan. If Mourinho had put that team out, and we hadn't have won the match, no-one would be calling for his head.

No we wouldn't because at least if we had lost, Sheva would not have gone on for 40 seconds and Mourinho wouldn't have been seen scratchig his head on the touchline wondering what was going on.

He would have been exhorting the players to fight to the death and keeping them organised and willing them on to win.

That's the difference between Grant and Mourinho.

Actually there are lots more but that will do for starters.

Pride, passion, commitment, nous, tactical ability, man management - the list goes on.

[changingman2000 35]

I really, really dont wish to sound patronising here, But let me tell you about how Chelsea Fans would have dealt wth this 20 odd year ago:

Four our newer fans, if you walk from the Gunter pub to the Bridge, as you walk over the railway bridge, Stop at the south wall of the bridge, get you house key out and start scraping in earnest, after a time, you'll find dissent regarding Jason Cundy being sold to Rottenham over 15 years ago. The fans of this time would have fucked Grant straight out the door. As much as Chairman Ken is a pain in the arse There is two huge reason's to pay tribute to him, 1. He literally saved the club, and 2: Grant wouldnt have got half the time he got under his fucking russian sugar daddy.

Nowadays, we have "fans" who complain if you stand up or sing, "fans" who complain about the throwing of celery, "fans" who will report you for the use of bad language (harsh, considering my first words were "FFS Chelsea), And fans who will happily sit back, shout "bravo" and proclaim the appointment of Avram Grant as "forward thinking"

For those of you whom I have intended this (and you know who you are), Times up, Mn ure are calling for you, as its going to get VERY UGLY down SW6 way

Edited April 15, 2008 by changingman2000

[misschief 24]

I really, really dont wish to sound patronising here, But let me tell you about how Chelsea Fans would have dealt wth this 20 odd year ago:

Four our newer fans, if you walk from the Gunter pub to the Bridge, as you walk over the railway bridge, Stop at the south wall of the bridge, get you house key out and stat scraping in earnest, after a time, you'll find dissent regarding Jason Cundy being sold to Rottenham over 20 years ago. The fans of this time would have fucked Grant straight out the door. As much as Chairman Ken as a pain in the arse Thereis two huge reason's to pay tribute to him, 1. He literally saved the club, and 2: Grant wouldnt have got half the time he got under his fucking russian sugar daddy.

Nowadays, we have "fans" who complain if you stand up or sing, "fans" who complain about the throwing of celery, "fans" who will report you for the use of bad language (harsh, considering my first words were "FFS Chelsea), And fans who will happily sit back, shout "bravo" and proclaim the appointment of Avram Grant as "forward thinking"

For those of you whom I have intended this (and you know who you are), Times up, Mn ure are calling for you, as its going to get VERY UGLY down SW6 way

Rapturous applause for that man. I'm not even going to defend the players for the shower of shite they've served up this season. But these are previously talented, winning players, who've turned into incompetent bottlers under Grant's management. The sooner his sorry, fat, incompetent arse is out of that job the better.

Edited April 14, 2008 by misschief

[manpe 10,861]

Does anybody else but me not like Grant ? I mean he's so annoying to watch. Anybody ?

You don't have to answer that question Get that fucker out. Come on Abramovich, imagine him bumping your oil while scratching his head - doesn't seem right. Fire him.

Edited April 14, 2008 by manpe

[Fulham Broadway 16,987]

I really, really dont wish to sound patronising here, But let me tell you about how Chelsea Fans would have dealt wth this 20 odd year ago:

Four our newer fans, if you walk from the Gunter pub to the Bridge, as you walk over the railway bridge, Stop at the south wall of the bridge, get you house key out and start scraping in earnest, after a time, you'll find dissent regarding Jason Cundy being sold to Rottenham over 15 years ago. The fans of this time would have fucked Grant straight out the door. As much as Chairman Ken is a pain in the arse There is two huge reason's to pay tribute to him, 1. He literally saved the club, and 2: Grant wouldnt have got half the time he got under his fucking russian sugar daddy.

Nowadays, we have "fans" who complain if you stand up or sing, "fans" who complain about the throwing of celery, "fans" who will report you for the use of bad language (harsh, considering my first words were "FFS Chelsea), And fans who will happily sit back, shout "bravo" and proclaim the appointment of Avram Grant as "forward thinking"

For those of you whom I have intended this (and you know who you are), Times up, Mn ure are calling for you, as its going to get VERY UGLY down SW6 way

There seems to be a generation missing of Chelsea fans, coinciding with the sanitisation, Taylor Report, Premiership inception.

One things for certain there are no groups of lads and indeed lasses, aged 14-17 attending now, that used to be rite of passage for so many. Simply unaffordable for 99%.

As for Grant he's not even trying to do a passable acting impression of being a manager anymore. All he cares about is pulling the wool over Abramovichs eyes and getting his weekly wage of well over £100 000 a week.

The fat fake fucker has cost us the Carling, FA Cup, and now the Premiership.

[changingman2000 35]

There seems to be a generation missing of Chelsea fans, coinciding with the sanitisation, Taylor Report, Premiership inception.

One things for certain there are no groups of lads and indeed lasses, aged 14-17 attending now, that used to be rite of passage for so many. Simply unaffordable for 99%.

As for Grant he's not even trying to do a passable acting impression of being a manager anymore. All he cares about is pulling the wool over Abramovichs eyes and getting his weekly wage of well over £100 000 a week.

The fat fake fucker has cost us the Carling, FA Cup, and now the Premiership.

Agreed, And does Grant possess the tactical nous to outwit Benetiz??? Two chances, Slim and none, and slim just left town. It could be very embarrasing indeed.

[misschief 24]

Agreed, And does Grant possess the tactical nous to outwit Benetiz??? Two chances, Slim and none, and slim just left town. It could be very embarrasing indeed.

I'd imagine that deep down, we can all pretty much see that's next on the cards. As far as I'm concerned, the straw broke the camel's back a long time ago and THAT's a loss that just aint gonna be tolerated. I'd be highly surprised if there is a single supporter left prepared to back Grant once we're unceremoniously dumped out of the CL.

[Fulham Broadway 16,987]

I'd imagine that deep down, we can all pretty much see that's next on the cards. As far as I'm concerned, the straw broke the camel's back a long time ago and THAT's a loss that just aint gonna be tolerated. I'd be highly surprised if there is a single supporter left prepared to back Grant once we're unceremoniously dumped out of the CL.

Think you're right, even the hierarchy couldnt put up with the scousers dumping us out of the CL. One of the problems at the moment is Kenyon, Buck, steadfsatly refusing to say they were wrong, or indeed their paymaster. They cant tell the King hes in the all together.

Just listening to Grunt on BBC R5 -incredible how that stilted 'I'm naeve, and have to speak slowly' has suddenly changed to very fast garbled explanations and denials in adequate English. Still talking absolute bollocks though and stating the obvious.

[EskWeston 696]

I just can't see any possible way that Grant will be kept on for next season! It is just so plainly clear that he can not do the job!!

It would not suprise me at all if someone had been lined up all along and Grant was always a stand in...... it is the only thing that possibly makes sense to me.

[C'mon the chels 0]

I just can't see any possible way that Grant will be kept on for next season! It is just so plainly clear that he can not do the job!!

It would not suprise me at all if someone had been lined up all along and Grant was always a stand in...... it is the only thing that possibly makes sense to me.

Jesus I've been saying that for months and everyone's been calling me insane! I'll say it again the timing of the Mourinho sacking was such that we would not get a manager/head coach good enough for the club, it was a couple of months into the season and there is no chance of getting anyone decent at that point. The bull frog was there and was given the job, he then took the opprtunity to negotiate a contract knowing that his fat arse would be kicked out at the end of the season and that with a contract he'll get a payoff when that happens.

We won't win the league this season, but we should have considering how many times Arsenal and Man utd have slipped. Lets put it into perspective if we beat the mancs at the bridge and win our remaining games we will take them to the last day of the season and considering who is in charge thats gobsmacking and just shows if we had someone with even a little bit of tactical nouse the premiership had our name written on it.

Champions league - I think we'll get to the final but whether we can beat Barca or Man utd with that useless fat fucker in charge is hit and miss but even if we were to win the Champions league he still will not be in charge of first team affairs next season, I am absolutely certain of it.

[Fulham Broadway 16,987]

Fucking hope so.

Amazing insight of the Special Needs One; - "We need to win the games against Everton and Manchester United," added Grant. "If not, it will be more difficult''

I've had enough of this ''next level'', can we go back to the last one please ?

[changingman2000 35]

From Football365:

GRANT RUNS OUT OF SUPPORT AT Chelsea

Posted 15/04/08 09:41EmailPrintSave

Avram Grant may not have admitted Chelsea are out of the title race following their ruinous 1-1 draw against Wigan but the reaction of the club's supporters at the final whistle admitted as much and revealed that they have run out of patience with the Israeli.

No sooner had Emile Heskey - for once actually playing a full match - scored an injury-time equaliser that leaves Manchester United five points clear at the top of the table than the final whistle sounded and chants of 'You don't know what you're doing' reverberated around a stunned Stamford Bridge. Grant has never possessed the demeanour of a lottery winner, not even when Roman Abramovich phoned a friend and invited him to inherit Jose Mourinho's squad in September, but he appeared especially forlorn on the touchline.

His subsequent insistence that Chelsea can still usurp United was predictable, yet the credibility of his post-match defiance was wrecked by his claim that "Every three or four minutes we created chances." That was a gross exaggeration, with Chelsea's first-half performance particularly dire. The only surprise with the booing that greeted the half-time whistle was the confirmation that so many supporters were still awake.

Matters improved after the interval, with Michael Essien putting the home side ahead after 55 minutes, but Grant could only take limited solace from the improvement given that it was inspired by substitute Joe Cole. As early as the tenth minute, the Stamford Bridge could be heard voicing their disapproval of his omission from the starting line-up.

In fairness to Grant, his team selection, with Didier Drogba also rested, was clearly made with half an eye on Thursday's must-win fixture at Everton. Yet, given the resources available to him, there will be little sympathy and the post-match verdict of the club's supporters was damning.

With the Premiership seemingly lost - United's lead, with just four games remaining, is further reinforced by a vastly superior goal difference - only the Champions League can save Grant. Unfortunately for the beleaguered Chelsea manager, even success against Liverpool is likely to be overshadowed by the arrival of Manchester United on April 26 for the Premier League meeting sandwiched between the two European semi-finals. The sight of the champions retaining the title at Stamford Bridge may be a humiliation that not even Abramovich could accept.

Your Comments

kuze

"As a Chelsea fan I knew Grant would carry us no where. I guess no Chelsea fan (even the ones that joined four years ago) ever had faith in Grant. So failure to win anything won¿t really be a surprise. The surprise is the amazing luck we have had this time in the draws for all the cups and the not too consistent form of man yoo (yes! the title could have been wrapped up since). The other surprise is the level of grant's ineptitude! What did he want Sheva to come and do on the field with just seconds to play? He has done it twice already this season introducing the fallen star just seconds to go, thereby wasting time we don¿t have on substitution in a period every moment mattered for salvation. Earlier in the season when Chelsea fans booed Sheva, I felt he deserved it, but the kind of embarrassment he is being subjected to by grant is unfortunate. It is too much a price to pay for facilitating the exit of the special one. Should Chelsea win anything by any means (luck, miracle or destiny) this season, I think Grant must still go. Nothing should save his job! He is not up to it, the way he was scratching his head after the Heskey goal is not the reaction of an assured manager who others look up to. Kuze."

GianfrancoZola

"for a long time i didn't join the Grant bashing as in his defence he never really got given a chance, but after another uninspiring performacne it's time to join in. While under mourinho a 1-0 lead usually gave us supporters enough confidence to know the 3 points are in the bag, Grant doesn't project such confidence and it was only a matter of time until we got done and drop some valuable points during squeaky bum time. grant has had enough time to turn things around (ie turn on the style as promised) and he's got an excellent squad of players to do so(of course it's not just his fault, the players need to take a large chunk of the blame as well), but the return has been very little. The problem now for fans is that yes of course we would love to win the CL but if that means that we are stuck with grant for another season, then i don't know if I really want it. And by the sounds of what Kenyon and Buck said recently it appears that not even Abramovich is so sure anymore if his good friend is also a good manager. Well well it's not over yet but the title seems out of reach and the CL is always impossible to call. I just hope that Abramovich makes the right calls over the next few months so that we are back to our best next season and really challenging for trophies. As Mourinho showed this doesn't just need a strong group of players, but most importantly a manager who knows what he is doing and who projects confidence to his team and the supporters, neither of which Grant managed to do in any of the games he has been in charge, no matter the result. Come on Chelsea"

tukes75

"Avarm Grant should just do they honourable thing and step down before he is chucked. it just goes shows to show that he ca't deliever when it matters most. "

Bluincha

"Please stop stating that Chelsea are out of the title race because in truth, we were never in this title race. We've only found ourselves thrust into the position of main challengers because Arsenal have completely imploded. I think the (growing) section of supporters that boo Grant are not just after him, but the board as a whole, Kenyon, Buck, Roman, et al. We are currently a shambles of team. We only have Joe Cole for creativity, and that's the fault of the previous manager, the precious Jose Mourinho, who inherited a squad with great players like Gudjohnsen, Robben, Duff and Crespo, and left us with Pizarro, Malouda, Wright Phillips and Kalou. However, we can look at this latest failure as a blessing in disguise. Chasing the league now would be stupid (so expect the idiots at our club to do it) but the Champions League is a realistic possibility. So let's box clever... Let's play a 'weakened' team against Everton on Thursday, with the likes of Sidwell, Paulo, Hilario, Sheva, (well Sheva at least for match fitness - this man has been shockingly treated by Chelsea) and save our best players for Liverpool away five days later. If Everton beat us then that would put the heat on Liverpool in the league, as they'd only be two points behind in the race for fourth. Then we may get a better result away at Liverpool, before returning to the Premier League for our clash against Man Utd. I couldn't care less about our unbeaten home record, infact it's becoming more of a hinderance than anything. Let's then play the same weakened team against Man Utd - who cares if they beat us, because we be fresh again for the 2nd leg with Liverpool. Then if we reach the final, no one will be talking about losing a title race we never actually were in, they will be all focused towards one show piece final, where we'll beat Man Utd, just like we did in the FA Cup last season. "

englishtim

"well not much to say here, we all new he's b*ll*cks at the job anyway, and lets be honest Anelka has done it again wrangled a massive transfer fee and still not worth a penny of it! smartest man in football with more money spent on him than any other player ever! How many goals has he scored since the move?"

CR7EVEN

"Well done Brucey,you just won us another title.Now ManYoo should go on and win it at the Bridge and abolish that 80 game unbeaten home run"

[manpe 10,861]

A shame what has happened to Chelsea from the magnificent 2004/2005 til now. Mere shades left of the fantastic, youthful, creative and most important, happy family. Belief and confidence are now gone, hope is always there if you let it.

Once we hit the rock-bottom, there's no other way but up. Let's wait.

[Elliott 7]

A shame what has happened to Chelsea from the magnificent 2004/2005 til now. Mere shades left of the fantastic, youthful, creative and most important, happy family. Belief and confidence are now gone, hope is always there if you let it.

Once we hit the rock-bottom, there's no other way but up. Let's wait.

Haha, rock-bottom. Non-league is rock bottom.

[MikeCFC 45]

Does anybody else but me not like Grant ? I mean he's so annoying to watch. Anybody ?

Pardon moi?.What do you think the likes of myself,misschief,FB,changingman etc,have been saying since September?.

Hopefully last night's reaction from the fans has sent Roman a stern message.

[manpe 10,861]

Pardon moi?.What do you think the likes of myself,misschief,FB,changingman etc,have been saying since September?.

Hopefully last night's reaction from the fans has sent Roman a stern message.

I think you've been saying something similar to what I have "Grant sucks. Sack Grant." etc.

@Elliott - well I'm not talking Leeds rock bottom. I'm talking something like Liverpool rock bottom. If you know what I mean.

Edited April 16, 2008 by manpe

[Fulham Broadway 16,987]

Just having a look back at when Grant was ''parked'' at Pompey as Gaydemarks favour to Abramovich, and then later transferred from Pompey as 'Chief Cone Putter Outer' to ''Chelsea FC Technical Director'' on an £800 000 salary.

Mourinho said;

Its not my job to speak about him or about what he has to do at the club . The club statement was clear. Hes here to try to give some support to different areas in the club and, for me, thats not a problem. If the club wants to bring people in to make the club better, to create a job for someone, to give support to different areas of the club, thats no problem. From my point of view, it wont interfere with the power I have in relation to my job. I welcome him, Ill try to help him adapt to a club like Chelsea.

Mourinhos barbed comment ''to create a job for someone'' -he knew it was a made up post. The cuckoo slowly edging Mourinho out of the nest.

Chelsea forum comment ''So, for the time being at least, let´s do invite the devil in for nice cup of tea maybe even give him a biscuit as well?''

The writing was on the wall, all he had to do was take over the steering wheel, with no or very little tactical knowledge after Mourinho helped him settle in.

[manpe 10,861]

What a nincompoop he is ! the devil

Edited April 17, 2008 by manpe