Righting The Wrongs

[bigbluewillie 1,930]

You have made a good point warnie there about the returning players unsettling the team. I do feel Terry had to come in though because he is club captain and should always be playing in a cup final if he can. Lampard though? Would have been understandable if Ballack played.

The main problem for me was a) long balls against Woodgate and King Playing Anelka on the left wing instead of Joe Cole or even Kalou and c) complete ineptitude with regard to motivation

and another point, did you notice how many times mikel got in the way of lamps, he kept going for the same balls, and then there was the farce in the spuds penalty area 3 Chelsea players went up for the same ball kalou ballack and drogba and no one from spuds, who'd the ball drop to yep! a spuds defender.

which i think just epitomises what you are all saying there's no cohesion no understanding, and again proving grunt's a bottle job, i might have thought a bit better of him if he'd played the players that got us there like i said from the off.

regards:JBD

[Ollie 4,400]

if we play wingers, they need to be confident to run at players and be more direct. SWP just runs over the ball, he has a quite shocking first touch and he beats himself more than opposing players. He seems to always leave the fucking ball behind! I actually think Kalou looks really good as a winger, he is direct, he has great feet and he does beat players. Consistancy is the problem for him tho and finishing. Malouda has nothing, no strength, no pace, nothing. Joe Cole and Kalou are the best we have imo.

I agree on 4-4-2. We dont score enough as 4-3-3 as the 2 wingers hardly ever score. it was and still probably would be drogs and lamps who are the only 2 i can bank on getting more than 10 goals in a season.

4-4-2

...........................Cech...........................

.......................Whatever.........................

...Joe Cole Lampard Essien/Ballack Kalou...

.....................Whatever two.......................

The defence and strikers can be anyone, they kind of pick themselves. in midfield ballack or essien would be my main question. Dont forget how good ballack was in the world cup playing as a defensive midfielder. MICHAEL BALLACK IS A DEFENSIVE MID-FUCKING-FIELDER! Then 2 wingers/wide men who are direct and do cause problems to defences. they are capable of getting goals too.

[warnie_666 1,081]

warnie666, from what i'd read here and also my own opinion, punters bla bla bla, most of us want anelka to be a striking partner to drogba in 4-4-2 formation with either one as a supporting striker, not as a wide player in 4-3-3 formation as you mention. it is a big difference between partnering the striker and playing out wide.

http://www.talkchelsea.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=1201

Go through the posts and then tell me how many were fine with 4-3-3 with Anelka playing on left.

Again, ANELKA IS A TARGET MAN. HE NEVER PLAYED AS A SUPPORTING STRIKER. For God's sake, you again want him to play out of position.

And how could you expect the manager to change the formation from 4-3-3 which we played with since September to 4-4-2 all of a sudden for a final just to accomodate our Stars. It seems like their arrival has jinxed our performances.

[warnie_666 1,081]

and another point, did you notice how many times mikel got in the way of lamps, he kept going for the same balls, and then there was the farce in the spuds penalty area 3 Chelsea players went up for the same ball kalou ballack and drogba and no one from spuds, who'd the ball drop to yep! a spuds defender.

which i think just epitomises what you are all saying there's no cohesion no understanding, and again proving grunt's a bottle job, i might have thought a bit better of him if he'd played the players that got us there like i said from the off.

regards:JBD

There you go buddy....AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT HAPPENS WHEN you KEEP CHOPPING AND CHANGING to Accomodate your Stars.

[warnie_666 1,081]

The defence and strikers can be anyone, they kind of pick themselves. in midfield ballack or essien would be my main question. Dont forget how good ballack was in the world cup playing as a defensive midfielder. MICHAEL BALLACK IS A DEFENSIVE MID-FUCKING-FIELDER! Then 2 wingers/wide men who are direct and do cause problems to defences. they are capable of getting goals too.

Ballack played behind the 2 strikers in the World Cup and NOT as a defensive Midfielder. He is a Box to Box midfielder just like Lamps. But yeah, he did play as defensive midfielder for Bayern Munchen

Edited February 25, 2008 by warnie_666

[changingman2000 35]

Wasnt it embarrassing watching Grant stumble around the team talk after the 90mins?, As a Chelsea fan I fucking cringed. He is a complete and utter wanker of the highest order and I would rather have the cunt shot than spend another week at our club. Everything he does is a joke, he acts like a cunt, he looks like a cunt, he talk's like a cunt.

[warnie_666 1,081]

Wasnt it embarrassing watching Grant stumble around the team talk after the 90mins?, As a Chelsea fan I fucking cringed. He is a complete and utter wanker of the highest order and I would rather have the cunt shot than spend another week at our club. Everything he does is a joke, he acts like a cunt, he looks like a cunt, he talk's like a cunt.

You must be happy you have more supporters on your side now.

[Ollie 4,400]

he defo played defensive at the world cup, if it said he was behind the front 2, it was wrong. his best possition is defensive and him and lamps could play together if they both knew their roles 100%.

[changingman2000 35]

You must be happy you have more supporters on your side now.

Justified and vindicated? absolutely. Happy? Not at all, It look us losing to the Yids in a cup final to change people's opnions. And I really, really, really, really hate Rottenham.

[misschief 24]

Who the hell would be happy we've been made to look proper mugs? And to them of all people. The anti-Grant amongst us may well have been proved right but it doesnt hurt any less to see our current decline. And whatever way you look at it, thats exactly whats happened, we're taken a backward step this season.

[joe_kura 0]

http://www.talkchelsea.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=1201

Go through the posts and then tell me how many were fine with 4-3-3 with Anelka playing on left.

Again, ANELKA IS A TARGET MAN. HE NEVER PLAYED AS A SUPPORTING STRIKER. For God's sake, you again want him to play out of position.

And how could you expect the manager to change the formation from 4-3-3 which we played with since September to 4-4-2 all of a sudden for a final just to accomodate our Stars. It seems like their arrival has jinxed our performances.

i've read the post and it is ONLY bluelion and cracker who fancy anelka played wide on the left while esk only tought Grunt will play anelka at the left. it is only THREE post out of 17. sorry to say this but i still remember you insist on ballack said, ' he was loud in the dressing room' while on Chelsea official website stating what ballack said was 'IT was loud in the dressing room'. so please get your own facts right before questioning other's.

http://www.talkchelsea.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=713

supporting striker is still a striker, only for the latter is given much forward position. so why do you said it is out of position? why anelka couldnt play as supporting striker? he had proved he can scored goals from inside or outside the penalty box, he can hold the ball, his passing is good, he can assist goals and did that recently. he can always change the role with drogba through out the game when it suits the game.

Grunt get it all wrong. the team played week in week out with 2 wingers in 4-3-3 formation, but he changed it to 2 centre-forward and 1 winger although the basic formation is still the same. the new approach need to be prepared thoroughly and the player should be told who is playing much earlier so that they are able to train with each of the chosen 1st eleven, watch the teammate video to understand his prefered movement and discuss more detailed about it, create attacking set play, discuss on defensive duty and create understanding with each other especially between the untried partnership of anelka, drogba and SWP. and finally he didnt motivate his players although he claimed to be a motivator.

Edited February 26, 2008 by joe_kura

[BlueLion. 21,491]

I suggested Anelka to play on the wing as he was once a winger, though its obvious he can't do it in our system.

[warnie_666 1,081]

supporting striker is still a striker, only for the latter is given much forward position. so why do you said it is out of position? why anelka couldnt play as supporting striker? he had proved he can scored goals from inside or outside the penalty box, he can hold the ball, his passing is good, he can assist goals and did that recently. he can always change the role with drogba through out the game when it suits the game.

Grunt get it all wrong. the team played week in week out with 2 wingers in 4-3-3 formation, but he changed it to 2 centre-forward and 1 winger although the basic formation is still the same. the new approach need to be prepared thoroughly and the player should be told who is playing much earlier so that they are able to train with each of the chosen 1st eleven, watch the teammate video to understand his prefered movement and discuss more detailed about it, create attacking set play, discuss on defensive duty and create understanding with each other especially between the untried partnership of anelka, drogba and SWP. and finally he didnt motivate his players although he claimed to be a motivator.

Your first part is utter Bollocks.!!!....Again you want to play him out of position hoping that he is Anelka and can do just about anything on the field. I for one would stick to 4-3-3 rather than try different formations and try to accomodate players for their namesake specially now when we are entering the most important part of the season.

I agree with your second part. Keep a fixed team train them the whole week to play with each other for the weekend match.

[joe_kura 0]

Your first part is utter Bollocks.!!!....Again you want to play him out of position hoping that he is Anelka and can do just about anything on the field. I for one would stick to 4-3-3 rather than try different formations and try to accomodate players for their namesake specially now when we are entering the most important part of the season.

I agree with your second part. Keep a fixed team train them the whole week to play with each other for the weekend match.

bollocks? it is only my OPINION judging from what i've SEEN what anelka is capable of and have done, not by his namesake. cant i have my opinion, that is DIFFERENT from you? its a SAME POSITION but slightly DIFFERENT ROLE. i'm not suggesting anelka to play as a AM or CB or CM or GK bla bla bla.

i believe our footballing knowledge is no much better than each other so please stop calling people's opinion an utter bollocks!

a penalty and a setpiece? its not the big star mistake that we concede the goal and couldnt find the goals we needed. it simply wrong choice of tactics and less preparation between the 1st team players, thanks to grunt. and ballack have an off-day against the 'mighty' olympiacos.

Edited February 27, 2008 by joe_kura

[warnie_666 1,081]

i'm not suggesting anelka to play as a AM or CB or CM or GK bla bla bla.

Add to that a striker in a 3 strike force and a winger too and if possible a supporting striker.