The Rising Sun 711 Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 That constant complaining about our youth policy is quite annoying indeed.It's like those Kalou jokes.Our track record of youth players speaks for itself. We sign good youth.....every chelsea fan knows of some of our best youth players who have great potential etc etc.....Then they disappear,sold,fail ....Till atleast one youth player breaks through, im not convinced. Terry was more than a decade ago. a decade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrique 9,133 Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Another topic about patience... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,599 Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 No we are not, and we shouldn't be. We are more than capable of producing first-team materials or making profit off young talents. We have great talents. It's just that we fuck things up all the time. Gokhan Tore is already looking like someone who's worth at least five times the amount Hamburg paid us for him. Same goes for Stoch. We made a total of 5 million pounds of profit off him, but you know what? I bet we'll probably have to pay about 10 to 15 million if we are to get him back from Fenerbahce. What about Borini? Could we have saved those 50 million pounds we spent on Torres had we not ignored Borini? Maybe a bit far-fetched, but at that time he was on fire, and we could have at least given him a chance. It's not a big ask for the fans to demand the club take some kind of action to make our investment in youth pay because we really can be doing better.Can give you the case of Romeu. He is far better then what we got here as first team starters! But that's not Barcelona fault, as they got too many players there already.So another problem Chelsea got besides the constant manager of firing, is this.Lets not forget Barcelona also payed big bucks for Sanchez when they had a great talent like Tello, and he showed what he got in the last game against Villareal.So it's not a Chelsea problem is a problem for big clubs, as mention by Carlo.And lets not even talk about the bigger fools of Madrid that sold a lot of their youngster and now are kicking ass....a certain Mr. Mata.Now to my understanding the best 2 biggest club that have tried to manage this decently have been United and Arsenal...and I wonder why is that....long term manager that can plan for the future, and he call the shots??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. 2,742 Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naked Mole Rat 437 Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Can give you the case of Romeu. He is far better then what we got here as first team starters! But that's not Barcelona fault, as they got too many players there already.So another problem Chelsea got besides the constant manager of firing, is this.Lets not forget Barcelona also payed big bucks for Sanchez when they had a great talent like Tello, and he showed what he got in the last game against Villareal.So it's not a Chelsea problem is a problem for big clubs, as mention by Carlo.And lets not even talk about the bigger fools of Madrid that sold a lot of their youngster and now are kicking ass....a certain Mr. Mata.Now to my understanding the best 2 biggest club that have tried to manage this decently have been United and Arsenal...and I wonder why is that....long term manager that can plan for the future, and he call the shots???If we were like Real Madrid, who gift their talents to other clubs but still have a very formidable first team squad, I wouldn't mind a tiny bit if none of our youngsters ever got through. Why would I? It's not so much that I care for the young players, it's more that I see the young players as a possible solution to our problem. The only other possible solution to it is obviously to spend more, and we're not doing either of those things and that's what frustrates me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,599 Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 If we were like Real Madrid, who gift their talents to other clubs but still have a very formidable first team squad, I wouldn't mind a tiny bit if none of our youngsters ever got through. Why would I? It's not so much that I care for the young players, it's more that I see the young players as a possible solution to our problem. The only other possible solution to it is obviously to spend more, and we're not doing either of those things and that's what frustrates me.Ahem cause that's because Real Madrid does a Roman or sheik. After every cycle they spend big, like 400 million and such.Chelsea has not seen so much big spending since Roman came. After that it has been downhill, with the exception of Torres.....The reason???? Because we don't produce enough revenue like Madrid. They can take on all this debt but they still produce profits.Chelsea does not have even debt, but we still produce loss, because of high wages, and not a big club like Madrid to produce enough revenue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naked Mole Rat 437 Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Ahem cause that's because Real Madrid does a Roman or sheik. After every cycle they spend big, like 400 million and such.Chelsea has not seen so much big spending since Roman came. After that it has been downhill, with the exception of Torres.....The reason???? Because we don't produce enough revenue like Madrid. They can take on all this debt but they still produce profits.Chelsea does not have even debt, but we still produce loss, because of high wages, and not a big club like Madrid to produce enough revenue.I wasn't saying spending was the only way out, was I? I did specifically say that what frustrates me is that we are not taking any adequate action, whether it's spending or developing young players, to get us out of the mess we are in. And I recognize that we were never going to keep spending so much money. The board have mentioned, on several occasions, that they aim to turn things around to start making profits, and I want that, too. But if we are not going to spend, we have to at least make the most out of what we already have, and we are not doing that either, and therefore we're not getting the results we want, then we go panicking and doing some ridiculously expensive emergency deals to salvage our campaign, which is actually the exact opposite of what we want to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,599 Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 I wasn't saying spending was the only way out, was I? I did specifically say that what frustrates me is that we are not taking any adequate action, whether it's spending or developing young players, to get us out of the mess we are in. And I recognize that we were never going to keep spending so much money. The board have mentioned, on several occasions, that they aim to turn things around to start making profits, and I want that, too. But if we are not going to spend, we have to at least make the most out of what we already have, and we are not doing that either, and therefore we're not getting the results we want, then we go panicking and doing some ridiculously expensive emergency deals to salvage our campaign, which is actually the exact opposite of what we want to do.Roman, nor the technical director is going to do that.So who that leaves?Oh yeah the manager, but no manager for Chelsea can do that, because they have to think short term.So who's fault is it? The managers? The players? The board?As far as i see it it's the clubs fault, because if you want to copy the Madrid model, then you better keep on spending for player as you pay to fire managers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naked Mole Rat 437 Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Roman, nor the technical director is going to do that.So who that leaves?Oh yeah the manager, but no manager for Chelsea can do that, because they have to think short term.So who's fault is it? The managers? The players? The board?As far as i see it it's the clubs fault, because if you want to copy the Madrid model, then you better keep on spending for player as you pay to fire managers!Please summarize what you think my points are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,599 Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Please summarize what you think my points are.Someone must do something. And that someone will not do nothing, unless we stop firing managers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,599 Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Chelsea's revolving door policy to mangers has damaged young talent, says SinclairRead more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2095310/Chelsea-instability-damaged-young-players-says-Scott-Sinclair.html#ixzz1lDqtEvk9Sounds very familiar to what I been saying for some time..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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