Frank Lampard

[OneMoSalah 8,883]

8 hours ago, Jason said:

Lampard's Derby have gone downhill a bit since the opening Championship game. Back-to-back losses after that late win at Reading. 

Think it was an extremely risky appointment in general. Derby are always the nearly team, its big expectations that they have. For somebody who hasn't even coached at u18s or that it was a huge risk but a bold one that will still be a good experience regardless of how it goes, although I do hope he can make a success of it.

I watched the Leeds-Derby game and it was a demolition job, Marcelo Bielsa totally outwitted Lampard and they outplayed them but its a learning curve. Its nice to see younger coaches getting involved though but still I feel that sometimes the reputation as a player can give the impression they'd be a shoe in as a manager. Steven Gerrard at Rangers is somebody with experience at under 18s or 23s and so far seems to be doing well, fair enough different league but the expectation at Rangers is huge and it has chewed folk up and spit them out (have a feeling hes unbeaten in 9 games). I think Lamps could have done with a smaller step to start off, Jody Morris would probably have been more suited to going in as the manager as opposed to Lamps based on his success and more importantly his experience managing with youth teams from 2014-18, although again the youth team shit doesn't always naturally transfer over to senior football for players and managers but I generally think Jody Morris will be a top manager once he decides he wants to go make the jump.

[Yeboii 1,844]

Remember how Conte started his first season here?

They also beat Oldham in a comfortable way in between those losses.

[Iggy Doonican 4,186]

I saw the highlights of Derby on Saturday and they looked an utter shambles. Lamps has got them playing out from the back which would be fine in a Premiership team but not in a Championship team simply because the players aren't comfortable with it and technically they aren't up to it. Tony Cascarino said that Hoddle would get pissed off because he would ask players to do certain things but they couldn't do it yet Hoddle could which is one of the factors not the only one why great players (certainly British ones) don't make good managers.

A long time ago admittedly but when we got relegated in 1988 Bobby Campbell bought possibly the two dirtiest and physical players I've ever seen at Chelsea in Graham Roberts and Peter Nicholas but that's exactly what we needed. I think Lamps should do something similar Fancy Dan football doesn't work with average players get promoted first then buy better players and try to adapt your style.

[OneMoSalah 8,883]

10 hours ago, Iggy Doonican said:

I saw the highlights of Derby on Saturday and they looked an utter shambles. Lamps has got them playing out from the back which would be fine in a Premiership team but not in a Championship team simply because the players aren't comfortable with it and technically they aren't up to it. Tony Cascarino said that Hoddle would get pissed off because he would ask players to do certain things but they couldn't do it yet Hoddle could which is one of the factors not the only one why great players (certainly British ones) don't make good managers.

A long time ago admittedly but when we got relegated in 1988 Bobby Campbell bought possibly the two dirtiest and physical players I've ever seen at Chelsea in Graham Roberts and Peter Nicholas but that's exactly what we needed. I think Lamps should do something similar Fancy Dan football doesn't work with average players get promoted first then buy better players and try to adapt your style.

Yeah definitely agree although some championship teams such as Fulham, Wolves even Swansea previously in the past have shown it can be done but they needed time (or in Wolves case a talented manager and about 50-60M worth of players to good for that level). I think Leeds will have a chance to make a big jump to this style because they have a proven coach in Bielsa who has managed at the likes of Argentina and Chile national teams, Athletic Bilbao as well as other clubs where maybe it hasn't gone so wellbut the guy is renowned and has his reputation as a manager. Even then every coach is trying to be Pep Guardiola disciples in a way, so its normal now to see many coaches try and get these things such as playing out from the back or winning the ball back in 3 seconds etc. I mentioned Gerrard at Rangers, the guy has got them playing proper aggressively, playing to their strengths, defending as a unit and going long playing 40/50 yards directly ot their centre forwards but its working. 

I still think Jody Morris would have been more ready than Lamps but I think Lamps rep as a player probably helped him in landing that job too. 

[Unionjack 7,531]

37 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

I still think Jody Morris would have been more ready than Lamps but I think Lamps rep as a player probably helped him in landing that job too. 

More high profile too. But as a team it should work.

[Iggy Doonican 4,186]

13 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

Yeah definitely agree although some championship teams such as Fulham, Wolves even Swansea previously in the past have shown it can be done but they needed time (or in Wolves case a talented manager and about 50-60M worth of players to good for that level). I think Leeds will have a chance to make a big jump to this style because they have a proven coach in Bielsa who has managed at the likes of Argentina and Chile national teams, Athletic Bilbao as well as other clubs where maybe it hasn't gone so wellbut the guy is renowned and has his reputation as a manager. Even then every coach is trying to be Pep Guardiola disciples in a way, so its normal now to see many coaches try and get these things such as playing out from the back or winning the ball back in 3 seconds etc. I mentioned Gerrard at Rangers, the guy has got them playing proper aggressively, playing to their strengths, defending as a unit and going long playing 40/50 yards directly ot their centre forwards but its working. 

I still think Jody Morris would have been more ready than Lamps but I think Lamps rep as a player probably helped him in landing that job too. 

Leeds usually implode after a while hope they do again horrible club and fans.

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2 hours ago, Iggy Doonican said:

Leeds usually implode after a while hope they do again horrible club and fans.

Always had allot of away fans.

[Iggy Doonican 4,186]

52 minutes ago, Unionjack said:

Always had allot of away fans.

Still do as it goes so funny when the old bill sent in the SPG in 84 after they smashed our scoreboard some bruised and battered northerners that day. Same coppers giving them the loads of money treatment waving tenners at them on the picket lines a few months later. Saw their firm at FB in 89 nearly all of them had moustaches like a fucking Freddie Mercury lookalike competition 

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18 minutes ago, Iggy Doonican said:

Still do as it goes so funny when the old bill sent in the SPG in 84 after they smashed our scoreboard some bruised and battered northerners that day. Same coppers giving them the loads of money treatment waving tenners at them on the picket lines a few months later. Saw their firm at FB in 89 nearly all of them had moustaches like a fucking Freddie Mercury lookalike competition 

Funny lot them northerners

Only row Ive had with them was mid 80s in a cup match at Peterborough. Leeds everywhere and a car full of us went up cause My Mrs mum n dad live there so had allot of mates there.. Sat in the middle of them in the stands - they had invaded the pitch twice, snow all over the ground. All thru the game they were kicking our seats, taking the piss out of our accents, normal stuff. Then POSH scored and we jumped up and gave them our best honey badger impersonation Five of us lol. Got a nice ride in the cop van lol 

[Tomo 21,751]

On August 20, 2018 at 9:03 AM, Iggy Doonican said:

I saw the highlights of Derby on Saturday and they looked an utter shambles. Lamps has got them playing out from the back which would be fine in a Premiership team but not in a Championship team simply because the players aren't comfortable with it and technically they aren't up to it. Tony Cascarino said that Hoddle would get pissed off because he would ask players to do certain things but they couldn't do it yet Hoddle could which is one of the factors not the only one why great players (certainly British ones) don't make good managers.

A long time ago admittedly but when we got relegated in 1988 Bobby Campbell bought possibly the two dirtiest and physical players I've ever seen at Chelsea in Graham Roberts and Peter Nicholas but that's exactly what we needed. I think Lamps should do something similar Fancy Dan football doesn't work with average players get promoted first then buy better players and try to adapt your style.

I would actually have to disagree there Iggy and say he actually has to stick to his principles if he's planning on going down this route, even if it means a few thumpings, Gary Neville made a point of while at Valencia the beggining of the end for him came in a match where he scrapped the philosophy he was trying to implement and played more basic stuff, the players instantly got back into a comfort zone and didn't really listen to him after that. The Derby squad are still channelled in Rowett ball (which from what i have read makes Pulis's style look open and expansive) it's going to take a while to drum that out of the squad and if he says fuck it and reverts to Rowetts style even for a brief period, the players will mentally get comfortable again and it will spell curtains for what he's trying to do.

AVB with us is another example, for all the critics of his high line, it was reverting to the previous few gaffers tactics to get those results vs Valencia and City that ultimately saw to him. Although we won the CL thanks to it, winning it with a squad that flawed was a once in a lifetime anomaly.

[Iggy Doonican 4,186]

1 hour ago, Tomo said:

I would actually have to disagree there Iggy and say he actually has to stick to his principles if he's planning on going down this route, even if it means a few thumpings, Gary Neville made a point of while at Valencia the beggining of the end for him came in a match where he scrapped the philosophy he was trying to implement and played more basic stuff, the players instantly got back into a comfort zone and didn't really listen to him after that. The Derby squad are still channelled in Rowett ball (which from what i have read makes Pulis's style look open and expansive) it's going to take a while to drum that out of the squad and if he says fuck it and reverts to Rowetts style even for a brief period, the players will mentally get comfortable again and it will spell curtains for what he's trying to do.

AVB with us is another example, for all the critics of his high line, it was reverting to the previous few gaffers tactics to get those results vs Valencia and City that ultimately saw to him. Although we won the CL thanks to it, winning it with a squad that flawed was a once in a lifetime anomaly.

I know what your saying but managers aren't given a lot of time these days to impose their methods and with Lamps being so high profile I think the pressure will be on quicker than if he was a relatively unknown manager. AVB had done well at Porto while this is Lamps first job and what I think he needs is an experienced no 2 not someone like Jody Morris who's experience is the Chelsea youth team who are the equivalent of the Harem Globetrotters when it comes to youth football.

[Jase 43,479]

Derby got United in the League Cup. Mourinho v Lampard...