Global Revolution

[CHOULO19 24,332]

When you're the strongest and richest free country in the world, you have a moral obligation to protect freedom around the world. This isn't to say that the US hasn't made some bad decisions, I'll be the first to admit that. But the issues with nukes is only a means to ensure that Isreal has an equal show of force to Iran. If Iran is going to flaunt its nuclear program while declaring their wish for Isreal to be blown off the face of the earth, then Isreal needs to show an equal military force to keep that crazy President in Tehran at bay.

:o :o You are one deluded man, my friend!

1. Though the US might be the most powerful country, it does have the biggest debt in history making it far far away from the richest country in the world.

2. Moral obligations? Are you serious? You are talking about the country that is responsible about the biggest massacres in history when they used the atomic bombs on Japan. The protectors of freedom back dictatorial hierarchies throughout the world (Joradn, KSA, Qatar...etc) and recently ordered (yes I mean literally ordered) the Saudi army into Bahrain to slaughter peaceful protesters.

3. Israel has had Nukes way before Iran started their nuclear program. As a matter of fact Israel had nukes even before the Islamic revolution; and back then Iran was in America's, and Israel's pocket, so you can't really say that they have nukes to defend against Iran. The Israeli arsenal has always been a way to terrorize the middle eastern countries, why else would they have over 200 nukes, enough to blow more than half of earth off?

[CHOULO19 24,332]

by who's definition yours ? one member of the British public who's views are representative of very few. Contrast this to the many,many countries across the World who recognize Israel as a democratic and legitimate Country. Each of whom having made this policy clear have been elected by their respective electorates.

Define terrorism.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Slight Correction here....Judaism is the oldest religion along with Hinduism. Islam which is the religion of Palestine is a byproduct of Judaism. So, the place actually belonged to Jewish people. And the real history that you are talking about has originated from these very people and the religion you are blaming. The real civilization in this case is actually the Jewish, rest all are byproducts.

What does religion have to do with civilization? Can you say that christians in america and christians in africa have the same civilization? In my opinion, the civilization of a certain geographic region belongs to the people who live there. In the case of Palestine, though the religions in the area may be a byproduct of Judaism, the civilization belongs to the people who have been living there for over 1400 years, whilst the Jews who replaced the original inhabitants are from civilizations from all over the world and know very little about the regions history and civilization and over the last thousand years or so, contributed nothing to it.

Also for historical accuracy, the Palestinians, that is the inhabitants of Jerusalem before world war I, were not only muslims. The multi-religion area was also a home for christians and Jews, who were thrown out of their homes in 1948 just like their muslim friends and neighbors.

[YankinBlue42 72]

:o :o You are one deluded man, my friend!

1. Though the US might be the most powerful country, it does have the biggest debt in history making it far far away from the richest country in the world.

2. Moral obligations? Are you serious? You are talking about the country that is responsible about the biggest massacres in history when they used the atomic bombs on Japan. The protectors of freedom back dictatorial hierarchies throughout the world (Joradn, KSA, Qatar...etc) and recently ordered (yes I mean literally ordered) the Saudi army into Bahrain to slaughter peaceful protesters.

3. Israel has had Nukes way before Iran started their nuclear program. As a matter of fact Israel had nukes even before the Islamic revolution; and back then Iran was in America's, and Israel's pocket, so you can't really say that they have nukes to defend against Iran. The Israeli arsenal has always been a way to terrorize the middle eastern countries, why else would they have over 200 nukes, enough to blow more than half of earth off?

1. Our debt is only a problem because the idiots in Washington feel that protecting their political future is more important than the country's finances. A modest increase in yearly revenue and decrease in spending (not to mention ending the wars in Iraq and Afganistan) would erase our debt in less than a decade.

2. You make your claims about our moral decisions without providing any counterpoints or context. You also forgot to mention that the Allies including your own country supported the effort to build a nuclear weapon and use it. The question of how to handle dictators around the world in our present time is a massively complex one. You can disagree with attempts to appease certain dictators in hopes they treat their people fairly, because no one wants to go to war. In this so-called Arab spring, the US has had to tread carefully, but in many ways, some very subtle, has supported the people's revolution, even if it meant that the new goverment would not be a guarenteed friend of the US (see Egypt).

My "moral obligations" statement wasn't to say that the US is the moral leader of the world. It was a general statement that the US is looked upon to be a leader in the fight for democracy. Has been since the first 2 world wars. Depending on your view point, we have done some terrible things. But no country is above that. You can be appalled at the use of the atom bomb, and I can say that using the atom bomb saved lives, when you consider the atrocities happening in China at the time and how many military and civilian lives would've been lost in a ground invasion of mainland Japan.

3. I'll take you on your word regarding the history of nukes and Isreal. But the question remains, why should they dismantle their nuclear program when they have a sworn enemy with nuclear capibilities within missile range?

[warnie_666 1,081]

There is no way on earth that US is going to erase the debt in next two decade let alone next decade. Economy is slow. Banks are suffering from the after effects of the recession. Steps are already being undertaken to reduce the debt. For Example some of the Islands off the coast of Rhode Island have been set up for auctions by the US government.

To Choulo:

It's easy to blame the US for Nagasaki and Hiroshima but that incident bought Japan to it's knees. The atrocities that Japanese committed during the invasion of China were unpardonable and inhiman compared to the Atomic Bomb. Read about Nanking Massacre. Also,They used chemical and biological weapons on Chinese and I am sure you had no clue about this. Not to mention the unprovoked attack on Pearl Harbor.

[warnie_666 1,081]

What does religion have to do with civilization? Can you say that christians in america and christians in africa have the same civilization? In my opinion, the civilization of a certain geographic region belongs to the people who live there. In the case of Palestine, though the religions in the area may be a byproduct of Judaism, the civilization belongs to the people who have been living there for over 1400 years, whilst the Jews who replaced the original inhabitants are from civilizations from all over the world and know very little about the regions history and civilization and over the last thousand years or so, contributed nothing to it.

Jews replaced the "Original" inhabitants? I am sorry but the original inhabitants of that place are Jewish. Later people adopted Islam and Christianity and continued to live there. But I agree that it is wrong to drive people who have been living there for several years because the land beloved to the Jews Originally.

History has it that the most oppressed race or country end up becoming the most ruthless one. Jews and Israel. The size of the nation is small but they have are ruthless when it comes to dealing with their enemies. Sure they have the backing of US as most of the Lobbyist in US are Jews and that's where the money comes from.

China is the other one. For long the country had been vandalized by the Jap imperialist army.

Read: Nanking Massacre on wiki and you will know that the Japanese Army back then were inhuman and barbaric.

60 yrs on China is a country even the US does not want to mess with. What the Israelis and the Chinese went through have made them what they are today.

[dave30 728]

Well my town has just stopped Tesco from building a massive ugly superstore that would kill off our high street.So i guess i could get used to this Global Revolution

[LDN Blue 7,903]

It's easy to blame the US for Nagasaki and Hiroshima but that incident bought Japan to it's knees. The atrocities that Japanese committed during the invasion of China were unpardonable and inhiman compared to the Atomic Bomb. Read about Nanking Massacre. Also,They used chemical and biological weapons on Chinese and I am sure you had no clue about this. Not to mention the unprovoked attack on Pearl Harbor.

Dear lord man..

You're not actually attempting to justifying and finding a positive from Nagasaki & Hiroshima are you?

[warnie_666 1,081]

Dear lord man..

You're not actually attempting to justifying and finding a positive from Nagasaki & Hiroshima are you?

It has become a habit for every Tom dick and Harry to blame US for everything. You blame US of genocide by pointing at Hiroshima and Nagasaki but when I point you to the Nanking Massacre that took place where 300000 Chinese were raped and murdered, where children were made to have sex with their mothers and fathers were made to have sex with their daughters infront of their family members at gun point, where infants were raped by the japa and them murdered. But you choose to ignore that and stick to US and Hiroshima Nagasaki eh?

All I got to say is Karma is a bitch and No one realized it better than the Japs.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

It has become a habit for every Tom dick and Harry to blame US for everything. You blame US of genocide by pointing at Hiroshima and Nagasaki but when I point you to the Nanking Massacre that took place where 80000 Chinese were raped and murdered, where children were made to have sex with their mothers and fathers were made to have sex with their daughters infront of their family members at gun point, where infants were raped by the japa and them murdered. But you choose to ignore that and stick to US and Hiroshima Nagasaki eh?

All I got to say is Karma is a bitch and No one realized it better than the Japs.

You know, as well as I do, what you've stated had nothing to do with America's rationale when they dropped those nukes. I can't believe you've justified that.... Innocent lives for more innocent lives yeah? Pathetic war-games the world plays sometimes..

Nothing will ever justify those nukes. Effects of which still carry on, to this day. ON INNOCENT PEOPLE.

[warnie_666 1,081]

Dear lord man..

You're not actually attempting to justifying and finding a positive from Nagasaki & Hiroshima are you?

It has become a habit for every Tom dick and Harry to blame US for everything. You blame US of genocide by pointing at Hiroshima and Nagasaki but when I point you to the Nanking Massacre that took place where it is estimated that 300000 Chinese were raped and murdered, where children were made to have sex with their mothers and fathers were made to have sex with their daughters infront of their family members at gun point, where infants were raped by the japa and them murdered. But you choose to ignore that and stick to US and Hiroshima Nagasaki eh? And I am not even mentioning incidents where thousands of Chinese were killed by chemical and biological weapons by the Japs.

All I got to say is Karma is a bitch and No one realized it better than the Japs.

I don't condone the use of nuclear arms but to ignore what the Japs did and constantly point finger at the US like a broken record makes me sick.

[warnie_666 1,081]

Japs killed 20million Chinese mostly civilians during their invasion during the second sino jap war and the second world war Yet you ignore all that and point finger at US and accuse them of committing genocide.

[warnie_666 1,081]

You know, as well as I do, what you've stated had nothing to do with America's rationale when they dropped those nukes. I can't believe you've justified that.... Innocent lives for more innocent lives yeah? Pathetic war-games the world plays sometimes..

Nothing will ever justify those nukes. Effects of which still carry on, to this day. ON INNOCENT PEOPLE.

And yet I don't see a word against the Japs. US is bad bla bla bla. What the Japs did was inhuman and barbaric what the US did was bad too. But hey it's a habit to blame US isn't it? What Japs did let's ignore it but US are evil cus they nuked them.

Like I said I don't take sides like u do. For me both incidents were bad. I don't condone US for what they have done. Hey it's the in thing to blame US for everything. May be we should start a similar thread to JTs

[warnie_666 1,081]

You know, as well as I do, what you've stated had nothing to do with America's rationale when they dropped those nukes. I can't believe you've justified that.... Innocent lives for more innocent lives yeah? Pathetic war-games the world plays sometimes..

Nothing will ever justify those nukes. Effects of which still carry on, to this day. ON INNOCENT PEOPLE.

And yet I don't see a word against the Japs. US is bad bla bla bla. What the Japs did was inhuman and barbaric what the US did was bad too. But hey it's a habit to blame US isn't it? What Japs did let's ignore it but US are evil cus they nuked them.

Like I said I don't take sides like u do. For me both incidents were bad. I don't condone US for what they have done. Hey it's the in thing to blame US for everything. May be we should start a similar thread to JTs

[CHOULO19 24,332]

And yet I don't see a word against the Japs. US is bad bla bla bla. What the Japs did was inhuman and barbaric what the US did was bad too. But hey it's a habit to blame US isn't it? What Japs did let's ignore it but US are evil cus they nuked them.

Like I said I don't take sides like u do. For me both incidents were bad. I don't condone US for what they have done. Hey it's the in thing to blame US for everything. May be we should start a similar thread to JTs

The Japanese massacres where terrible, inhuman, -use any adjective you want- actions. I agree with you. And so were the nukes that were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Difference: The Japanese regime that committed those dark actions fell during WW2 and the nation has not entered a war since. While, the US is still committing and financing massacres and crimes in the name of humanity every day.

That is why people talk about the crimes in Hiroshima and Nagasaki more, because the criminal is still going around committing his crimes.

[Fulham Broadway 17,319]

Back to the here and now -

The system is fucked, because yesterday the european central banks failed to get credit lines from the Chinese or the Arab oil nations, because the politicians and bankers are using words like ‘apochalyptic’, ‘facing the abyss’ and about how there will be ‘massive wealth destruction’ and a ’50% drop in output across europe’ should one bank or nation default on their debt, because by the end of this year, or the beginning of 2012 the credit markets will crash and they’ll drag equities with them- this is why London is still full of cops from other parts of the country- When the banks start to crash, and make no mistake they will, credit lines to major companies will be cut, banks will be forced to take bank holidays and limit withdrawls to prevent panicked savers pulling all their cash out in a huge bank-run, distribution of goods will seize up and the shelves of supermarkets and the ATMs will rapidly empty, companies will issue mass redundancies, there may well be power cuts…

All the banks and governments are doing now, is delaying the inevitable, rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic

..happy days ahead....

[warnie_666 1,081]

The Japanese massacres where terrible, inhuman, -use any adjective you want- actions. I agree with you. And so were the nukes that were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Difference: The Japanese regime that committed those dark actions fell during WW2 and the nation has not entered a war since. While, the US is still committing and financing massacres and crimes in the name of humanity every day.

That is why people talk about the crimes in Hiroshima and Nagasaki more, because the criminal is still going around committing his crimes.

Had the Hiroshima and Nagasaki incident not happened, Japan would have continued it's atrocities over the south east Asian countries. Btw I am sure u would prefer to get nuked than experience what the Chinese did at the hands of Japs. Someone had to stop it and unfortunately it took a little boy and fat man to do it

[LDN Blue 7,903]

[Fulham Broadway 17,319]

Like the US the UK is trying to make jails one of the biggest sources of labour. Its brilliant, no minimum wage requirements

[CHOULO19 24,332]

More than 1% of the population wow! Just proves there is something that seriously needs fixing in the system and the society as whole when there are more criminals than Doctors in a nation.