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Childish? Unless you meant my comment towards Rom2013, I think his views of football goes against what most people agree as being basics. The amount of posts he writes that nobody can even try to agree with is too much to count. Let's call his view of football unorthodox then. I already said many times I really like stats - when they're contextualized, I used to write statistical articles for the forum and I loved it and did you miss the parts where I said that PERFORMANCES and VOLUME OF PLAY in addition to his stats is what convinces me Oscar has been offering way more than Willian has? Or did you skip that post? If a conversation is going, at least read all the points raised before joining it. They have the same workrate - Oscar even more actually, Oscar plays 1-2s with Cesc and Hazard very often, he passes the ball forward, he tries to be more objective, he takes more shots. This is all about him as a player, it's not stats saying me anything. I love it how you guys put a label on someone and when they say something that isn't according to that label you call THEIR bluff (not yours who has no business deciding what a person likes or dislikes). I said many times in the Hazard discussion last week - to which I'm still waiting Greyco and everyone who agreed with him to answer me who's the best defensive player between Cesc and Eden - that when contextualized stats are great. They can tell a lot of lies if you don't look them closely. Now how can # of assists and goals lie? Chances created is the most misleading stat in the game imo, I stated as much in the post you quoted because whoever makes a pass before a player takes a shot is counted as a chance created. Many times it's a nonchalant pass, to a player that carries the ball a long distance and then take a nonsense shot. That's not creating a chance here nor in hell. I also have a problem with dribbles and take ons. A player can have a thousand of those and create absolutely nothing for the team. It's all dandy and fancy but useless if it doesn't produce anything - and before you and some other fellow come saying anything I'm implying it, that's not the case with Hazard. Hazard has the dribbles, but also objectivity - something he improved a lot compared to last season. I didn't say Oscar led Mata to be offloaded, I said people were irritated by it. In their eyes it was Oscar's fault because he moved Mata to the bench. At the end of the day Mata didn't fit Mourinho's system, whereas Oscar did. That's why he was sold with great profit for the club. Ever since then Oscar has been overly criticized and it took a long while before people stopped mentioning Mata a couple of times in every page on Oscar's thread. If you weren't here, or don't remember, I can't help, but it did happen. Some people even seem to resent Oscar because of it when it's not his fault at all. and get your facts straight, mate, I don't hate any Chelsea player. Some of them really frustrate me and I don't give a fuck who Mourinho plays in the big games as long as we win. Unlike many people around the world, I don't support a club because of a player. I support players because of the club. It doesn't mean it's a blind support where I don't criticize them or the manager. I do when I feel like doing it. Willian is a frustrating player, until he stops being I won't change my opinion, but maybe you should read my last post in the subject where I said we all wish both players (Oscar and Willian) to succeed because they're Chelsea players. I got over my HATE for Cesc the moment that pic of him holding the blue shirt in a hotel room in Brazil came out. Wherever they keep the speculation threads of players we signed you'll be able to find a couple of posts by me showing how much I hated Cesc Fàbregas. You may hate players that play for the team you support, but don't make the assumption about others. I couldn't disagree more about your views about Schurrle, Oscar and Willian. Oscar won't play the toughest physical games. I have no problem with that. I have no problem when Mourinho doesn't play Oscar, I love Oscar, I love Cesc, I love Eden and I'm not going to deny I love them more than I love others - but I don't love any of them more than I love Chelsea. I've wanted shitty players like Torres to be sold, it makes me sigh (in a bad way) that a player like Willian will continue to be part of the squad (I can definitely see a contract renew coming) and occupy a spot that should be occupied by someone much better than him. Others think the same about Oscar. It all comes down to preference. But if Ramires was replaced - even if forced by injury - maybe so will Willian. Both are supposedly on their peaks, both are supposedly playing the best they could whereas players like Oscar and Schurrle still have a lot to develop and grow and hopefully they will - another fact people continue to ignore. Oscar is 23, Willian is 26. If you think the team plays better with Willian, good for you. Just don't make it a statement because it's a subjective matter. If I think my precious Oscar makes the team play better, it's also only my opinion. I said more than once that we should rotated both players, because having both in the team can be frustrating sometimes. Sorry if I kicked your puppy somewhere... it wasn't the goal, but your post was cute, lol. And when I need someone to tell me how much about football I understand, I'll come to you, master, though tbh I don't see it happening. I'm not here for validation. edit: my 'love' for Cesc weeks before he was signed for us lol1 lol 2 and then my definite post in the subject In a Brazilian forum I was much more 'colorful' on my feelings about him. Now look my signature. gotta admit I had many laughs now re-reading the early days of the speculation thread. LOL. The few brave of you - especially Thomas, MrExcalibur100 and LDN blue - defending the transfer from day one are some smart lads Actually if it wasn't for Thomas' passion defending him as a player and showing what a big player he was, it would have taken longer for me to warm up to the idea. So I guess thanks are in order, Skip

He has years under contract for us, his chances will come, if not much this season, definitely next. I feel for him, but it's not the end of the world. Ba was scarcely used in the first half of the season and then he was played at the end of the season and even scored some very important goals. Remy's moment will come, sooner or later. Also, DD has been doing a great job, so you can't simply ignore that. I'm positive he'll be in the squad for the League Cup match because we'd have played a plethora of games in the last ten days and the players will be very tired.

I like Cesc as #10 too, although it's only worth to play him there when we play teams parking the bus and we need a spark of creativity in our attack, something Oscar clearly lacks. Willian owns our RW? LOL. He's been lucky André and Ramires have been injured and ill. At the form Ramires was early in the season, there was no way Willian would have started half the matches he did. If Ramires is displacing someone in the wing then you know they are nowhere impressive, far from it. At the end of the day we all want Chelsea to succeed. So I hope Willian becomes at least half the player you seem to see in him. Also if you can't see how Oscar intelligently creates space for others and how he has been getting better and better playing 1-2s with Hazard and Cesc, then there's nothing I can do in that aspect. Everyone likes certain players better than others. I like Oscar better than Willian, you feel the opposite. Both of us are free to think as we please.

Then there's the defensive aspect: Tackles: 2.3 vs 1.2 Clearances: 1.4 vs 0.2 I mean, Willian is good defensively, but the only edge he has on Oscar on both aspects is stamina and pace. Oscar's decision making isn't anything spectacular (except Costa and Cesc we don't have great decision makers) and he isn't the most decisive player either. The thing is if I had to rate Oscar on those I'd give him a 6.5, but I'd give Willian at most a 4. His decision making and decisiveness are pretty bad, one of the worst in the whole team, not only compared to Oscar. He offers many things in the team balance, but Oscar is not marginally better than Willian in terms of return, he's better by a safe margin. I think at the end of the day the difference between them is that Oscar is quite smart. I've read quotes by Mourinho, Dunga, Fàbregas, Hazard, Neymar and many pundits praising Oscar for his intelligence and ability to read the game. If Willian was half good in that aspect, he could be our best player because he's way more talented than Oscar. But he lacks any ability to read the game properly, he lacks vision unless it's the obvious pass and he doesn't have the best football brains. I still believe he'd be great in a less competitive league.

lol right, mate. Lesson learned. Not going to discuss this with you anymore. To each their own.

except Oscar still contributes more... Whenever Oscar makes room to Mikel we should have someone playing instead of Willian. Having Mikel AND Willian in the same lineup could increase home accident rates with people infringing pain onto themselves out of frustration. I don't know what's been so wonderful about him in the final third today, I think he improved and he contributed to how we dominated the final third, but he still made 8 bad decisions out of 10. And one of Oscar's biggest contributions today - and many other times - was creating space for others, space that Willian wasted. I'm in no way saying Oscar was better - he wasn't - but I wish I could see this amazing player you see on Willian that should displace our player with more assists after Cesc and who still remembers how to score - not to mention key passes, chances created, passes in the final third % and even tackles. Oscar has been superior to Willian in every single aspect you look at - stats and performance wise - throughout the season, but I suppose each of us have a preference, regardless of what's shown in the pitch. There's only so much room for AMs who excel in defending and pressing rather than attacking and whether you want to admit or not, numbers and volume of play show that Oscar has been better than Willian on both leads. They should rotate imo.

My problem with him is that he could do much better than that because he has tons of talent and flair. At the end of the day we shouldn't play both him and Oscar in the same matches, as while they offer a lot of work rate they have creative shortcomings, the thing is Oscar has been having a much better season. So we should rotate them, but avoid playing both at the same time. He was better in some aspects today, but his decision making was still frustrating as heck. It seems he has 0 football brains, seriously, I can't name it any other way. And he's missed one meter passes in the final third that had me hitting my head on the wall. I think when we play Mikel instead of Oscar it gets even worse. And whoever says he's been better than Oscar this season probably has been watching another team, or something, while Oscar hasn't been brilliant, he's been very good in many matches, Willian has been average in the final third most the matches he's played. And it seems he doesn't remember how to finish anymore

He also tweeted that picture and his caption is PERFECT Captain. Leader. Legend. Even on Social Media

tumblr is infatuated with Oscar/Hazard bromance. The caption says 'Hazard gets hurt. Oscar wipes grass off his face' LOL (but hey, it's cute)

I do believe some teams have more motivation to play an unbeaten team and who's been flying the league. The thing that catches my attention the most is how their goalkeepers always bring up their best games against us - sometimes much above their usual level. Maybe our lack of clinical finishing add to their confidence, but we haven't had a team bow down to us lately - except Hull (they always do). We just outplay them and it looks like they were shit. Maybe City are outplaying teams as well - but a few matches I've watched this month, they were nothing special and mistakes by GK or defenders (and also the referee) assured them three points. Their time is coming and if luck doesn't turn it around, I'm positive we will at January 31st. Also they only played Arsenal among the top 6 budget teams away. They have to face us, Spurs, United, Everton and Liverpool - all away. I think their second half of the season is going to be difficult. As I said many times, I would have wished them to get kicked out of UCL and having a low morale to drop a few points then, but as they qualified, they have at least two weeks jammed with UCL games and as much as Barça aren't even shadow of what they used to be, I'm sure City will focus a lot on those matches... so I believe as long as we keep winning through now and January, we won't leave the top of the table

I keep saying it, but at the end of the day we aren't a one-man team. Not in the setup and definitely not in the way we rely in the same player to win us matches. That's why it's so difficult to decide between the three. It showed that when we missed any of them that we struggled greatly. So it's hard (and not even fair) to pick one as our best or most important player

I'm sick of reading Aguero's name in this thread. I'm sick of people saying shit about a player that has given his 110% for us and not only fight, will and heart, but goals return too. His goal today was instrumental, when we needed it the most and all on him. Amazing play, superb finishing from a player that has been vital for us the whole season and who's handled it as if he's been playing in England from birth. He gave much more in terms of goals than we should have expected, but for some geniuses he's not good enough.

this game could use Schurrle, now that the Hammers are trying to do something else than defending

I'm not a morning shit kind of person hahahahahahahahaha

come on, boys who's next to dump a shit?

DIEGO FUCKING COSTA BITCHES

See what happens when Willian actually plays well? It makes our attack look more dangerous. Cesc and Hazard and sometimes Hazard and Oscar played those quick, first touch 2x1 that were mesmerizing, but Willian has been really good. Let's hope he keeps it up for a while.

some amazing football we played, stunning really ofc the goalkeeper is having a world beater presentation against us, and prevented a couple of goals there, but I fancy us to score a couple more in the second. We didn't even have the Cesc assist yet

Diego Costa of all people trying to calm people down on a fight. LOL

look something completely new, goalies having worldies against us TERRY!!!

is it like Christmas all over again? 'More gifts!'? The following day?

We all know who understands nothing about football. It's been proved over and over again... Moving on... At least this whole conversation put light on something I missed. I had no idea Willian had 10 assists last year... how come people say he evolved this season? Of course, he's more adapted to the league, but as a sub most part of the season he had 10 assists - which I think is impressive in a first season (that might be way I defended him so much last season). Now he's been starting nearly every match we play and he has two assists. If that doesn't show how frustrating, ineffective, lost, useless, and downright bad he's been in the final third choices and execution, I don't know what does. I do recognize and praise him for his stamina, energy, work rate, but he's an AM he has to offer more to the actual attack. Oscar has always been highly criticized around here - and much of the criticism has been fair and I agree - and the the main criticism was that how he creates nothing for us as an AM/#10. Willian gets away with much worse return in the attack... I know the fact that Oscar led Mata to be dropped and then offloaded is what irritated people the most, but as limited as he can be, Oscar has been offering more than Willian in the attack consistently (except during his terrible second half of season earlier this year). Willian must improve, we can't have an AM that starts nearly all our matches in the season, to have only two assists and a very low number of chances created - at least chances created that matter, as I particularly hate how sloppy that stat can be.

Awwww, your bday, like you so much, sweetie Wishing you an amazing birthday and the whole 25th to be remarkable in every possible way *hugs* from your fingers lips to God's ears, pls

Merry Christimas, Jay there you go, someone amused you *hugs*