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fed up of this shit, Jorginho papers over the cracks. He just cannot do what is required in that role, he's nowhere near strong enough and game after game he just gets ran through way too easily, it's a joke. No doubt there are some good attributes there but to be our defensive midfielder, effectively our main man in the middle of the park just doesn't work in the premier league, he does not have the tools.

Shame. Guess it’s just a case of milking Bayern for as much as possible now then - they gone all in behind the scenes making him promises now they need to back it up. 50m about what we will pay for a replacement.

Catch you later, I'm sorry but coming to a Chelsea forum claiming we have to sell you our player or X will happen, your asking for it and you know it really. Your here to wind people up, no doubt you posted some good points but just as many that were asking for some of the stick you got, you have to realise we are a big club just like you and because you bid for our player and declared public interest does not give you any power unless we agree to something, the cards our all in our hand at the moment so unless something concrete happens it's probably best you take a back seat. Thank you for your input.

He makes some good points but to come here saying we have to sell CHO to them or this and that will happen is going to wind people up, I quite enjoyed his input but the last couple of pages just me and him and all he uses to back it up is newspaper talk . Who would you spend the 35m on then if we were to let him go?

The true colours are showing now I see I give up now anyway, your whole argument is based on arrogance, speculation and Instagram likes. I understand now, because you are Bayern Munich and made things public, the player has no other option but to force his way out of Chelsea obviously no other outcome is possible, Bayern signed Pavard and he liked the post, he's also been stalking Hummels on Instagram. I heard on twitter he already went and bought the house next door to him lol. I'm done with this, thank you for the debate.

It's not wise to claim you know what a player thinks because of what you read in the newspaper or what Instagram posts he likes to be honest, you're never going to convince me of that, it might not even be him for all you know. All we know for sure is what your club are making public and for whatever reason you seem to think this gives you some kind of upper hand... maybe in 12 months it could do but it does nothing to force us to sell right now, we do not need to sell him, there's been no transfer request, nothing but a few likes on Instagram lol so unless you come back with an offer we can't refuse, jog on lol. You could argue that by you declaring interest and making the bid has turned his head but then we rejected the bid which made him realise that we do actually value him, we don;t know for sure but im not the one saying I know what he is thinking etc, your talking rubbish i'm sorry to say.

What difference does that make?

Posts that can mean anything and are all just to benefit himself, which is fine, if we signed every player that liked our Instagram posts we would have 10 new players every window.

Haha, you are sure what the player is thinking from reading newspapers? I'm sure he's thinking a million things right now, unfortunately just because Bayern bid 35m and publicly declared interest, does not mean he won't be thinking about anything else.

So MAYBE, you have done us a favour, thank you

All the newspaper reports that have gone quiet, the only thing keeping this alive right now is that your club keep coming out in public saying they want him which unfortunately doesn't work when your dealing with another big club who can offer him the same. Newspapers are also reporting recently that he denied reports he wants to leave etc, so yea, you can choose to believe whatever you want.

Really, How so? Facts that we know for sure would say otherwise.

Why can't we want the same thing with our own player?

But none of these players give us what Callum does. Why are you not trying too sign them if they are so good. There is 1 player there that could come close to replacing him, Thorgan, but he’s much older, already been here and didn’t do much.. it’s hardly something we should be desperate to make happen .

This is based on years and years of transfers, in the last few years it is not the same. We spent 56m on Pulisic, the bar has been set. I give you that deals can be had but as I said previously there are so many variables it’s not easy to compare transfers ,

Go and bid for Thorgan Hazard then lol

Ok I will give you that it happens, but it is very rare and just like gambling. is hard to talk about something like this with so many variables... in England, we are not going to replace Callum for 35m though unless we were to take a gamble but we don’t need to gamble if we keep Callum. If you put all those wingers in the EPL right now they would all be on the bench in any big team.

It does matter actually. In fairness in terms of FFP and homegrown quotas etc , would it not benefit us to get a player into our starting 11 that cost nothing rather than selling him for 35m and replacing him with someone that cost 56m (Pulisic for example) because as someone pointed out, you don’t get starting material for 35m nowadays it would cost us more to replace him for sure.

Wish this were true but unfortunately I think they are so confident it can happen if they want it to, there is no need for them to do anything until the summer, doing business early will only make the transfer fee higher for them. I expect this to go to the wire even in the summer, I think we're going to hold out for 100m as reported and probably end up with about half that.

The difference here is that at 18 years old, Callum has a chance of making it in the first 11, recently he’s starting games and is getting minutes and attention, these city youngsters are not even part of the squad for most games, Pep probably doesn’t even acknowledge some of them. they want to go because they are nowhere near close to breaking through to the first 11.

Very realistic, because as I have said previously, just because your club say they are interested in someone and a few newspapers said he wants to go doesn't make it a given. You said earlier he has to go because the players will turn on him in the dressing room etc, it's laughable, i'm sorry, based on what can you say this will happen? What is so good that Bayern can offer him but Chelsea can't? He's 18 and appears to be getting his chances here, we are a big club, just like Bayern, we can compete for trophies, he's loved here and been here since he was 8. He scored his debut goal 2 months ago and was telling everyone how its a dream come true, you think that because you've bid for him and said in a press conference he's an interesting player that hes gonna throw everything away lmao. Crazy.

It's been said now though. I guess this puts to bed the rumours hes forcing his way out for now. Now it doesn't mean he is definitely staying still, but it proves there is a lot of rubbish being posted, all it takes is 1 paper to say something and the others jump on it, that's all that has happened here in my opinion and because no-one has squashed the rumors and Bayern admit to interest it just blown up from nowhere. Just doesn't make sense that he would be forcing a move so bad for me.

I never did Well I almost did but it just doesnt make sense it came from nowhere.

Yep. Since we got battered by Spurs I think he's took a more defensive approach and players are all stuck in shape just to keep possession , we talk about lack of movement etc, in my opinion this is not just on the players, its that they are required to be available for the next pass, only Hazard has shown signs of taking it on himself to come and get the ball and make something happen but when he does this as a false 9 it leaves nothing in the box. We have gone backwards since the first few games which looked really promising even though we were really vulnerable.

There was no misuse of the word competitive and i'm not getting in to a Premier League vs Bundesliga debate, there isn't one to have in my opinion. The use of the word competitive is well justified when speaking about the BPL. Thank you for pointing that out, I wasn't aware of this, appreciate the information It's not that i'm saying you made anything up, it's the way you are adamant this and that is happening and CHO has to leave because the fans and dressing room have turned on him etc when really, you said it yourself, it could all be untrue and is just speculation, which is what I said in the first place What say do you have in this? You've submitted a bid, there is nothing else you can do but wait... it is down to Chelsea and CHO to make the decision, not Bayern. I am talking about the present not the 2020/21 season, Unlikely but for all we know he could be playing for Derby County in that season , Bayern are not the only club in the world.