Clevemayer

thought I was the only one to hear...

I don't want to be offending but guys from USA, plz get some propper commentators this is not American Football nor baseball... that foxcommentators get me annoied...

we're gett'n naild around our 16 yard box by boro... lol... I thoght TEY would park the bus... that days seem gone long ago... :facepalm:

Is it me or looks ferreira just like nearly 10 years before when he just joined... that ladykiller that he is hahahahha...

LoL I already see us loosing... wtf are ghis guys doing you act like were actually play'n well.. wtf am i at an parallel universe?

OK wtf this is Borough?...

don't now whom this benayoun guy is... LoL, I thought that secret agent Rafa was a joke but now he plays Benayoun he always refused to play for liverpool on whatever good run he was plus he is on Twitter, this MUST be true... anyways good he rests the guys surprised about Ake... thought he was always well composed at CB... but we eill see...

I personally do honestly belive we HAVE to do something on this position, but not only there, frome the back to the front you have a declineing Quality, not Footbalwise but Positionwise. You need 2 kind of players in a double Pivot and we have only one in Mikel and Romeu and that's the point where my opinion differs from others. Romeu and Mikel are both classic DMs but with different Attribute to they're game. Mikel is safe on the ball, has a good vision good physique and his passing is defo second to none, he has all ranges of passes but doesnt live up to them, if this is his fault or the fault of our attack is another point to discuss about. The only passing he lacks is maybe that deadly ball played through the defenses what he does very seldom, you can see them by Gündogan, Xavi etc. but this isn't what he is expected to do. On the other hand you have Romeu whom is sadly injured but isn't as composed as Mikel in any manner, what he has is his stamnia and his drive to get a tackle in and run at players this is sometimes a joy to watch but sometimes he plays stupid passes, risky ones that fail to be placed where they're aimed at, this is big disatvantage on his account to me. For me the bigger Problem is that creative Counterpart that you need there, you need someone like Xavi, Gündogan ALONG one of the other both mentioned and not to replace them. We are left outnumbered and Ramires and Lampard just dont have the ability to play alongside a pure DM, watch at Khedira and Alonso they played this nearly to perfection when it was running for them, xabi was the destroyer with a wide range of passing and Khedira was a slightly bit more creative haveing a go at the goal here and then and driveing forward, this is what we need the creative part of the DM and this is not MIKELs or ROMEUs fault, thats the point and if ppl just say, oh yeah Ramires cant stop the ball and is an awfull footballer but he runs 24 hours if needed, oh yeah Lampard is leaving our DM exploited and doesen't recive the balls doesn't influence the game in an creative manner but hey hes a legend it must be Mikels fault or what? Clearly no, Mikel or Romeu, which one is needed for to play is to be decided game by game imho, both need an creative player alongside them so Mikel can do what he does best and retain possesion, close channels down get his creative Partner whom isnt on the edge of the box of you're opposition side when you've just retained the ball against 3 Attacking opponents and want to get the pressure lowred with an pass to somebody close to you whom has an better position, hee needs one that he can play with. Mikel has class and he has shown it many occasions but for me he is especially in this double pivot very harsh critisized, because it si MAiNLY (not in every aspect) not his fault. Ramires cant receive the ball and drive it forward with creativity, because he plain isn't creative. Lamps... well he may have the reativity but just isn't desceplined enough, I was pray'n for modric but we didn't get him, this is what we need. If you think about replaceing Mikel with another DM what will you win, if his counterpart isn't existend and if the Attackers don't move so you can get you're biggest strengths (long range balls and triangle passes) played out?

Thats a good post, thats what I have felt very often and I think there is no understanding between our pivot...

Is he at that Tapas bar near SB? is it possible? Been there with my wife 2 years ago One day after that Arsenal win, was sitting MHS-lower What a Strike that was by Alex... will never forget that... its pretty much looks like there

welcome over here...

And like we've seen he has that range of long balls I don't understand why he doesn't do it, if its the coaches advice? Mikel was praised from mourinho for his long passes saying he is incredible play'n forty meter passes inchperfekt... look at his pass from our own half to mata against city... and many others he does from time to time... he cand o it and thats what I'm always reffering to when I say all he needs is to get his ass kicked... he always gets praises from the managers seemingly... I would get an very good DM he could have competition with... He shoots as hard as an ochs just look at some of his shots he does... e. g. his shots against the crossbar or which go inches wide... and he doesn't do this, I just don't know why... because I think he can be a real addet threat on goal if he does this... nontheless he is not the best thing since sliced bread but so is neither DM I can see at the moment... The only thing that annoys me from time to time is his work ethic, if it wasn't for his perfect sence to close play down and intercept attacks I would kill him, he's not a player to track back very often... I was very surprised and pleased when he yesterday tracked the whole pitch back to nick the ball off agüero I think it was him... in the 16 yard box 2 times... so he has his flaws but it's nothing he can't do... he just doesn't do it...

No we mean Mourinho whom all refert to as the greatest one this club has seen ever. we refer to Ancelotti whom called Mikel the only player he would compare to himself whilst playing in Europe and whom won the double (Ancelotti was not a bad player if I should mention this to you) we refer to Hiddink whom played Mikel in crucial games as theaway leg in Camp Nou we refer to Wilkins who gave mikel massiv credit when he was assistant and yeah they all get sacked or left us but what has this to do with mikel? I hold the players as a group in regret for this especially some senior members... there you go again... Mikel is at fault that every good manager we had was sacked... But as an fan whom came over here when ballack did so I dont expect any better from... seriously...

No I was refering to OTHERS not you mate on this thread, I can fully live with you're opinion because this is not a bashing this an opinion seemingly based on accepting he is good enough fo the squad but not you're first choice...

Lol were slipping because mikel Said so fuck Yeah he die so whilst playn at ACON hahahahajajaha can't stop

I m concerned youve brought up The Luiz comparison with Torres... Further it is The Sense of such a playertopic to discuss a Player and this includes compareing hin to any Other

This is an opinion i can live with but and youre welcome but just calling a Player Shit and Not Worth a place on a biased opinion makes me feel sick because you can clearly See where it comes from

OH yeah with tiote its about the team and with Mikel its about.... him? get Serious its ALWAYS about the team you act like a morron... nicethat you can mention the team as a whole when its about... well when its about a player you like and not Mikel... ot of them all you named Terry is Injured and whe have Cahill and Luiz... so what? and Ash and Chech I accept but does it help Cabaye and Tiote if they're both very good players if the rest is shit?... ah I think I know the answer... NO... Brana is not like brana anymore get real... dont know what it is with him sorry don't use excuses ... because that argument of the team being shit is not allowed for mikel it hasn't to be allowed for anybody else... this is you're fault not mine... you've startet argueing like that...

@Kojo OK so then buy Tiote whom has won against... Norwich, Wigan, QPR, Swans and most notably Tottenham... So he played 16 games and won 5 out of it and did loose against such big guns like Southhampton, Stoke Fullham... Wow I'm very convinced Oh no let't get back Essien whom has literally no knees that would be te best listen nobody is makeing excuses but you can say the same thing about you... everytime the team looses.... oh no not only then everytime you come over here and have a go on Mikel.., There are enough Reasons and even at the Phone-In after the match they all agreed that you can only pass if you have players running in and arround and we don't have... @AFCON he was one of the best if not the best player, he was picked by every manager he has 250 cups... how many do you have? If he was THAT useless he would've been sold on the first day I make no excuses for him he was bad yesterday no doubt about that but like I've said why don't you have a go at Ramires who Isn't able to stop the ball and is running in to players? what about Luiz that headless Chicken he has become? what about ash who was anonymous? whats with lamps? whats with Oscar? you mention one player and slate him for playing no pass into... where? He played most accurate passes in ACON and more than one've been killerpasses so plz guys, why can he play somewhere else but not for us? How many mistakes did Chech make what cost us a game? how many did luiz? how often was Lamps at fault for leaving the Midfield in recent years outnumbered? It's not down to ONE player get real, the whole team is SHIT at the moment despite one and thats the Juan and only... I agree we need to change the midfield... maybe Capouet or someone who will HELP this team, and I mentioned it earlyer Mulumbu seems a decent lad... he is happy enough to get a tackle in and run his socks of... this doesn't mean Mikel has to leave he is more then good enoug if you accept Luiz, Ramires and Lamps there than Mikel is head and shoulders above them all...

shocking display by us, like Ive posted in the mikel thread he was bad but whats worst of all is that he wasn't event the worst on the field he was in top 5 to be honest... I will mention some names and maybe you will agre Luiz, Rambo, Lampard, Ash, Bana, Cahill, this would be my list of the rest but Ba is a bit unfair, because he couldn't do anymore Chech Mata Hazard Ba Mikel

I really liked Ramy I did but can you plz tell me if he is really an Brazilian? seriously why can't he stop the ball if he is? shit display by him

bad display by him yesterday but I would love all the posters here to mention one good player yesterday on our disposal? plz. you're welcome... I personally think ramires was the worst out of all, he couldnt even stop he has lost any of his ball controll in that last half a year Lampard? oh yeah he was great because he was invisible... mata? was he on the pitch? Hazard did ok, and I don't understand why you take him of Ba, couldn't do any more Cole? where was our great LB today? Brana and Luiz? WTF? Cahill did some great tackles but lost agüero frequently so I personally think there where two good performers chech and Hazard and the rest where utter shit and out of that all the worst of all wasnt mikel... we can talk but stay with the facts... He lost the ball once in midfield yes, but you dont play that pass to him in that situation please guys, kick that ball out the wings ar packed and the midfield too, there is no chance whatsoever for him to keep the ball from a rushing city player in that situation... pretty much the same thing like chechs throwin against liverscum last year... He could have done defo better for that goal... but be serious and tell me whom, despite chech couldn't have done better? please I'm waiting... we've been shit and lost deservedly and Ramires was the worst out of that bunch...

wonderfull goal, and I don't know how on earth ramires keeps escaping from his fouls...

OMFG Falcao has more Pages than JT... captain leader legend... how long is he with us now?

seriously? couldn't watch it have so many to do with my classes...