Clevemayer

nice essien started... wha twould've been if it was Mikel unbeliveable...

Mata you sexy mofo, feels great to see him on the pitch... hope he screws southampton today...

I don't know why Iva is played still

Davies haveing his season so far...

hahahah fuck you liverpool, c'mon blues...

at least annoy you and earn a shitlot of money ?

so oscar woudlent get eaten up or what if I follow your logic?

I would give DeBruyne a go, either with Ramy alongside him, or Mikel and I would rest Oscar and try Mata for this game. they like to play the ball on the floor and have a pretty good technical squad, at least what I've seen in that two or three games I've watched of them.

yeah ond some are gett'n played despite not proving theyr worth... this gives me headaches as a fan.

And this is exactly what I'm stating. He should have played better but wasn't the worst on the pitch. Still he should have stood up and shouted at Brana and Rambo for what the hell they where thinking, even if HE was at fault, a aggressive DM has tu pump himself up during the game with adrenaline, this sounds strange but thats it really with such guys on the field they need this "kick". Gattuso was even described as one of the nicest guys in world football OFF the pitch. Mikel is used in the wrong way IF we want a pure aggressive Midfield. I don't know about Rambo but somteimes I think he goes berzerk on the field, regardless of his seize...

and this is it, its not his ability but his ROLE he gets from his managers. I think he is a great asset and he shows it when given freedom, EVEN IF HE IS NOT THAT AGGRESSIVE, Pirlo wasn't aggressive too, he had gattuso for this job we have Rambo for this job

looool, I know youre a fan since when, yesterday? but there was a time before you and Mikel has quite a few great games. Yeah but if you stand up there in front ALONE like Oscar does, because someone like lamps don't has the legs and the willingness to help you and the back four is exposed, WHAT will your manager tell you? Well done boy, you've tried to press against 5-Men alone at the half life line? Get real, everybody knows you don't have a clue about anything in fooball I'm afraid mate, sorry to say it so directly, but you just keep on and on about it, despite clearly haveing no idea about football in general. You should just accept it and leave ohter Threads, put the Lamps page in you favourites in your browser and now and then post in Matchthreads, but you shouldn't talk about tactical points at all. And this is not because I disagree with you, I dsagree with many people but I listen to them and I conceede things, you.... you.... I dont know, every time I see a post of you I'm like this:

OK fine, and now tell me how Mikel should go and shout at the Legend Lampard or Cech or Terry without the press and even the players himselfs (Lamps and Terry are quite egoistical like we know ) makeing a big deal out of it? I'm completely with you at this point, he HAS TO BE AGGRESSIVE like he was in some of his performances where he was really class, like Gattuso or Seedorf for example. If the Manager don't allows you to do so and don't gives you the freedom, what can you do? Thats the other Point in MY arguments about Mikel, Mikel is a quite humble guy with unbeliveable technical gifts for his heigt and pin point passing ability, why is such a player kept in shackles (you can see this in his best performances) clearly he is better when given freedom? Isn't it because other players around him have mor freedom and other players allow themselfs to do what they want on the pitch? What If you know, that the player infront of you will play regardless what he is doing, will it change something for you as a footballer if you don't accept this behaviour? (one thing for sure, YOU won't play the next game) I want him to be aggressive and given more freedom, he has stated so often what his tactical advice by the manager is, stay calm cool, keep it simple, give the ball to somebody else as quick as you can, but Mikel is more in the Pirlo mood (even if you laugh at me) he is someone who takes a split second longer then another one but if the tacits are right and he drifts away easyily from two or thre players at once (he has done this quite often) plus the players infront of him giveing him the freedom of decision with they're movement he has world class passes in his locker. But again he hasn't this freedom and the players don't seem to fit together. I'm with you if you want him to be more aggressive but thats not what our mangers want from him, plus it seems not to be his nature...

thank you, so this leads us to another question, if he leaves his place and presses und trys to make things happen, but it doesn't work, because of the guys infront of him, plus he doesn't even gets out of his half (after what I've seen yesterday, he should have had a sublime game if he was the kind of player you tell us he is) because our wide players are playing in the center to tightn up the pitch, is this a wrong tactical decision and wrong positioning or his fault? The other Question is, why did it work so well against Inter, when despite loosing two years ago he was probably MOTM, and why does it often work with him and Rambo but not with him and Lamps, plus, if we play 4-3-3 and we have in reallity two CMs and no wingers, so he has as a conclusion of that FIVE players in the middle of the pitch, how should he spread the game, and how should he even get so high up the pitch? Mous tactics were not to lose, thats it, he just wanted to go through, he nearly escaped, we had purely the wrong tactics in this game, and Mikel, if given the freedom, has shown often enough that he does EXACTLY what you demand form him, but our team lacks stamina and a clear tactical plan. To be honest I don't know why Jose played like this? I would have Played Rambo and DeBruyne, or Mikel an DeBruyne to give Rambo a rest. Up I would have played Mata, Willian/Schürrle and Hazard to give Oscar a rest and Mata a go. Would have suited this better, so we could stretch the game with oure immense technically gifted wingers, plus I would have preferred Ba infront of the goal this time but Mou went for tightn up the pitch and defend, and this was the tactic ou CLAIM Mikel is best in but he wasn't it was by far his wort performance, how come this, how could you explain this to me?

http://www.mychelseafc.com/prev_news/13_news/nov13_news/nov26-8.htm Intresting numbers and its all Mikels fault, now I see...

Again the question is WHAT is crumbling and WHAT is the maximum pressure, so you expect him to defend solely against 5 Men, am I getting this right? And To win or loose is nailed on the DMs position, it has notihng to tod with the work rate and the wrong players for the wrong tactics... just asking not assuming... There was a point why Real wanted Maka back... EDIT: by the way, am I right Mikel or wasn't MIkel doing a goal line clearance and putting the only few timeslots together where whe had successfull passing... again just asking?

Right the question is, what is an acceptable amount of pressure for a DM he should/could handle? one Men advancing towards him, two, thre or more? What is pressure exactly? When SHOULD a DM in a high class mifield at one of the top clubs in worldfootball at all be under pressure from two, three ore more players at any point, is it OK if this situation happens, and how often can he handle this? With all due respect to Mr. Hoddle, Mour told the press what he thought is Mikels ability and he is spot on about it, also I don't agree with all of Mous decisions. I conceede he is inconsistent, but he was far better this season so far, this was his first game I would say he was really bad, also he had some very good games and few so-so, so his consistency and his work rate have been lifted up, without a doubt. So back to my questions above, I would like to have precisely specified these numbers, by you or even by Mr Hoddle...

He is from ghostgoal and sometimes has quite nice statistical posts sometimes. But you don't have to know every Reporter/Poster on the net. I bring Lamps in because he is one of the main reasons our team had a bad game after few in this thread acte like Mikel was the CM and scored 4 owngoals. Its not defending Mikel, but telling things from my point of view and that Lamps was our main Problem you don't loose a single word about his shamebolic performances but jump right into the Mikel thread when he had a bad game. And we all know what you and Phil are demanding from the Manager. I always tell when both have bad games, no problem with that, I'm no fanboy, I'm past this after Drogba left. Also your favourism is clearly to see, and here is another point why I bring up Lamps in a post where somebody moans about our CM that weren't pressing and too slow in transition in the thread about one of our DMs, Lamps is one out of the CM-Pair of yesterday. - Some Poster criticise Mikel for a part he hadn't to play - Some Lampsfanboys have clear favourism in regret to Mikel, because if he plays as a consequence Lamps has to stay on the bench mostly - Some Lampsfanboys don't lose a single word about a shamebolic performance of they're player but even criticise Mikel when he plays a great game So now three points in the context of this thread in my post why I've brought up Lamps name here, you always talk about Lamps in this thread when you tell us he and ramy should play but its not allowed to bring his name up if its not ok for your taste? Karma is a bitch....

You can pick raisins if you hant, two days earlier Bates called him the KEY-Selection for our win against WH http://www1.skysports.com/football/live/match/287405/analysis ? Maybe I'm right in telling you that one men cant defend against five and its quite impossible? And you should read my post in what to do in the Bael thread. If you like it or not, Legend or not, Lamps is past it and the team is tired, especially Lampard, because they keep gett'n played and played everey two days. And in a pressing high tempo game HE JUST DOESN'T fit the bill anymore, he is the BIGGEST weak link, not the only one, I also said I woud welcome gündogan for example, but at first lams has to stop gett'n played day in day out... Frank isn't anymore that player in 2004/2005 against Barca where he raped them at the bridge... and it's not a disgrace to accept this... he still is a legend and the clubs greatest player ever...

exactly but he isn't the central Midfielder, these are Lamps and Rambo... not defending him but you should ciriticise him for things that were his faults, not enough interceptions and too slow transition. but if you're alone protecting the back four agenst 3 or 5 opponents then you can't do anything... how can one men defend 3 or five others? you only look like a headless chicken if you try... again, had a porr game, but the whole team had, ind it wasn't only down to him... Oscar as RW and Lamps as CM are the weaklinks in this game...

he can't play the demanded pressing game period

I can see what jose tries to do but it doesn't work, as long as he keeps his untouchables imo. He wants to press the ball early and keep the pressure on the opponent, we have only two player for this style in his line ups often. Ramy and Oscar. I don't know why Bertrand and Cole dont play this is beyound me, Bertrand was superb against Arsenal. Then there is the issue with Lamps playing, if you want to play a pressing game you need DeBruyne or Oscar in THIS spot and Mata as #10, there is no way around it with THIS squad. Schürrle and Willian should be starters at rw the whole time, no discussion at all. If we play a pivot, then only with Mikel and Ramy, if we play 4-3-3 then with Mikel-Ramy-Oscar/Lampard, that simple it is at Rightback Azpi should have nailed his startingspot he can't be worse then Ivanovic Luiz should be partnered with Terry, not Cahill, they're too similar, wile luiz brings another aspect to the defence Hazard, Mata and Schürrle/Willian should be right behind the frontmen for me. Oscar just isn't creative, yeah he is a workhorse, he presses perfectly, he has a sublime strike but he is no genius, sorry I say this in a positive way. He is perfect for the CM part any way you turn it. He is a bit like a mixture of Edgar Davids and Seedorf, and I hold this both in high regret as players in my memory. He just isn't as creative and don't have the same spark as Mata. And what is wron with him as #10 we're withnessing the whole season now, he presses the back four of our opponents solely in they're half, thats understandable because it needs so much stamnia to play pressing game if the whole team doesn't press. And IF you want to play a pressing game, you have to play it from the front three to the midfield, and you need someone in the middle of the Park to Calm down the game when you regain it for a simple pass (Mikel/or Gündogan please in january). You need also some one wo can press and is creative too at the same time with a perfect first touch and a nice throughball (Oscar or deBruyne), then you need a workhorse whom just can pick up for blips of stamina during that high intense game periods (Ramy). The front three behind the striker need to be quick in transition and very assured with the ball, with nice quick and slick passing, and we have Hazard, Mata, Shürrle and Willian, albeit till now, Schürrle and Willian get the nod ahead of Hazard to me. And then you need a Striker that can run off the Shoulder of a defender to get into that balls, we don't need a technical high ability player, this was drogba, he was a beast and he could anything with the ball, his flicks and tricks where often overseen but he was unbeliveably technical gifted, but we don't need this kind of striker, we need a Torrs or a Lukaku/Lewandowsky even Carroll-Type of player (with Carroll-Type I think not of him as he is a looser but same stature), albeit Lewa is very very good with the ball on his feet. Lamps has no place anymore for me, despite in a 4-3-3 against weaker opponents, or in very big games to bring calmness. I think we have a great Squad but Mous untouchable-Tactics are applied with the wrong players, still I trust in him and I can see what he wants at the Arsenal game and at Hull the 1st half and against WH, but we often perform when our so called B-Squad players are on the pitch, and not our 1st-Team. And often are the players involved I have counted above. So there are plenty of points Mou is getting wrong for me but still he also is a tactical genius and in Jose I trust. EDIT: I forgot I'm assuming a 4-2-3-1 more in this style: RB------------CB------CB---------LB ------------DM---------------- ---------------------------CM/DLP -------------OM------------------------ RW----------------------------------LW -----------------Striker a bit more like a 4-3-3, but the RW and LW are closer to the OM

what a Legend.

WTF. Mou is back, he is unbeliveable, he made Mikel score guys and made him play pretty well and much more consistent so far, he adressed nearly all problems. He has two points which he is totally wron at IMHO but still, I FULLY trust him, I thought it was a bit of banter from ppl. but he isnt Rafa he isn't AVB he loves this club and he said directly and immidiatly that this team isn't complete that he will struggle that he doesn't expect us to win anything but he will TRY to win everything, so he was completely honest and still we've gote some ppl. questioning him, what 3 Month into the season? We're 4 Points from top-spot and CL-Groupleaders, am I really still the fan of that club that loved to be at the CL, even if they didn't win it? OK expectation have risen, but still, get real. Mou was honest, after he left many many things went wrong, we even had such world class players as Tal Ben-Haim and Mineiro at our disposal at one point if I may call your memories. He said he will give his all and that this will be his toughest job but he loves the club and he want to bring stability. He is Manager and not technical director, he isn't at fault for buying 435.78 Attacking players and not buying one single capable CM. His two wrong points, keeping playing lampard, he has a bit part role and he should do his legendary state a favour. SFL I honour what you've done, I will hold you as one of the best Players ever alongside Zidane, Ronaldinho, Pirlo etc., but there was always a time. As an affect of this, he keeps Mikel on the bench, and shackles Rambo. The other point is in my opinion to play Oscar as #10 and keep mata on the Bench. I've often said, I think Oscar would be great as CM and Mata just HAS to play, not because of his PAST, he played pretty well in nearly every game, only when he had to play on the wings he wasn't that little genius we know. Still, in Mou I trust, I've dreamed about him comeing back for soooo long and I'm left in disbelief.