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Really not a fan of Maddison on and off way too much for me. Paqueta is more interesting, albeit a bit on the slow side. of course that's out with both City interest and the betting issue. On the latter, if true, his only defense would be some sort of cohesion--not even sure how much sway that would provide.

Strength in depth means that after Carney's injury, it would mean Mount'd be coming in instead of whatever the fuck Mudryk is. If you don't see the difference between Mudryk and Mount, well, that's called blindness or hate.

That's your opinion; it's fine. I disagree that it will solve the problems the team has. The roster is unbalanced IMO. It's not the "manager" who develops talent. You can have a manger who is terrible at that, like Mourinho, but it's a number of different factors that help or hurt talent development. Besides, if we don't win, Poch will get sacked like every other manager. For example, if the team remains uncompetitive for a long time, at the very least, the players will see little Champions League action, which would deprive them of that important experience. Hard to imagine good performers would remain happy in such situation and may force an exit; can't think a player like Enzo would be OK missing CL year after year, for ex. I don't even know how a long period of unsuccess would affect player's image rights and sponsorship deals.

Some people did, others didn't. It's a bit more nuanced than that. My stance for example has not changed at all. Did not care about WHU result that much either. I think the ceiling of this team is simply not high enough for what the club requires. Nobody will "give it a rest" 🙄 -- we want the club to be competitive and be successful. This is a competition not a "best in the show" for young adults. It's not about if Mudryk haircut is cool, but rather can he compete at this level? will he ever be able to? You can give these players 6 years and without the proper support they will NOT progress. Some may not even reach the potential they actually have, while others never really had that potential to begin with.

Straw man argument.

"Let's drop this sense of entitlement, and back those players!" You do you and I do me. Calling the wish that billionaire elite football club should be able to compete against its peers is hardly asking much in my book. 🤷‍♂️ I've been around and disagree with what the club is doing; I already explained the reasons why I don't think it will work. It won't work now, and it won't work "tomorrow." We don't agree on this and really don't have to.

your preaching tone is exactly that: entitlement.

what a load of crap. You evidently feel entitled with that preaching tone.

There is no moving forward if we don't have the players capable of delivering at this level. This is elite football with obligations that smaller clubs don't have. I disagree Salah and KDB is the same situation... nothing alike.

Please count the number of young players in or around the starting XI. Is it 2?

I agree with the notion. Just not with *only* doing that: buying and playing super young players waiting for them to reach a certain level. That does not work. It may work for smaller clubs, but not big clubs with certain obligations to compete (CL and sponsorships). Don't think Salah and KDB were the same case; Mourinho is notoriously for not giving minutes to young players. BTW, I'm the one who wrote a controversial take on Salah back in 2014 (saw some WC potential in him).

once again, to make it perfectly clear: Chelsea players should always be supported by the fans-I'm not disputing that. And if a player is not good enough *for whatever reason* whether they are supported by the fans or not won't make any difference. Regarding an overly young squad, a cheer from a fan won't help a younger player correct their positioning, or help them under pressure. An experienced player playing alongside these young players will help them tactically, mentally (projecting composure, leadership) in actual game situations.

yeah suppose we will have to agree to disagree on this one. For me it's that simple: if a player isn't ready he should not be starting for any top club. His age shouldn't matter.... you can have 1-2 players getting minutes to acquire that experience, but that should be a slow process, unless the player is truly ready. The real risk here, by utilizing too many young players at once, is to lose them; like negatively affect their progression because of the lack of support from more experience/composed players who would help them with game situations they've never faced before. Once again, I have never seen a super young team succeed at this level. I'm trying to go back and remember a single case of relative success, but I just can't.

Sure, but handling that pressure is one of the main, and obvious, challenges of playing for a big club. That's why it's so hard to get there and then deliver; why most big clubs have few super young players starting for them. The pressure is well-paid for in both transfer fee and wages. That's the way it is: big club equates big pressure.

His disaster debut may be be nerves and lack of composure as a super young player first time at an elite club. He looked way too relaxed, as in trying too hard to appear relaxed, which was exactly the opposite of what we needed today against WHU. We needed a Kante type fighting and winning the ball in all areas. He was actually much worse than Gallagher today, who wasn't that good either.

Are you serious?! Makes little to no difference what we write on this forum. If what we write here directly affects them, then we are truly fucked. 😕 What matters is how they react to game situations, which is typically where young players struggle for their lack of composure.

The issue isn't making a wild bet, which many clubs would be willing to do. The issue is making SEVERAL expensive wild bets on many young and unproven players at the same time, and then tossing them in your starting XI all at once. That has never worked.

yup real Chelsea fans root for Mudryk. 🙄

😅 from sofascore yup that's one of the main dangers of buying super young players: the sample is too small -- often non-existant at the highest stage. It's hard to asses whether they have the right mentality. There is also a question about their physique. It's hard to even know whether they are injury-prone or not, because their career is just starting.

I think he's a good manager; certainly an improvement from Potter and Lamps, but just said that I did not think his reaction to their red card was a good one. The team played way too slow and relaxed for me. Dunno if that's lack of aggression, composure, so not everything is down to the manager. I did like Sterling today... I know folks like to criticize his performance, but I honestly don't see it. He's been a thread skipping past players and creating changes, not to mention the PK. Jackson was disappointing today. Needs to do better inside the box.

Better manager who kept playing with 3 at the back even after the opposition lost a man. Not only that but kept Disasi who was having a terrible game. Then at some point playing against 10-men we had 3 at the back, and 3 defense-minded mids. Not great by Poch today... no.

lol we then we buy *worse* players to replace the so called shit players who are playing for top clubs, better clubs than we are atm. 🙄 Agree to disagree there; for me the team IS much WORSE without them. And of course, I'm the annoying one who has been saying 1. too many changes at once and 2. you need experience Composure comes with experience, and we've got none. Madueke seriously? not even a footballer yet. I honestly don't know what people see in Mudryk... a bit of pace? yeah that's as common as dirt. Caicedo with a Bakayoko performance today--humiliated by Paqueta.

I think the point is that the ones who replaced them aren't any better. Honestly, it's a valid point IMO. Kai esp as a much maligned player for reasons not entirely down to him alone.

Agree that Gallagher is a decent player, but if a club like Chelsea is relying on him as a starter, then that sets a limit, and it's not a high one. I personally think our attack is shit. Like really really shit... not top10 material. I do think they can prove me wrong and be top6 material, but top4 is unattainable, again, IMO.

Does that mean he has learned how to play footy since last season?