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Just noticed there's two Trevor Chalobah threads...

He was promoted from the academy but he didn't come through it from an early age. There's a difference TBF.

You forgot the mighty Bournemouth.

If we apply that to everyone, then sure I guess.

Am no financial expert but just because we got all that CL money from winning the competition, it doesn't mean we have all of that to spend on transfers. That money would have been used to cover for other expenses within the club as well as cover for whatever losses the club may have suffered from the pandemic. I don't think we're exactly operating the "we need to sell before buying policy" but our recent spending has been funded mostly by the sale of players.

Christensen only had 2 loan spells and it was only at one club, TBF. When you said the commentators often forget he's been with the club since early on, do you mean coming through the academy? If so, then not sure if they really forget because we bought Christensen from Brondby and he was already 16 years old then. Different to the likes of Mount and James, who really came through our academy.

Abraham going to Italy was the last thing I would have expected. Good luck to him at Roma.

If we are going with the sentiment that players need to improve this season or they will be sold next year, then a few players' - not just Werner - future are on the line this season.

It's not about finding excuses regarding Werner's movement. It's more about his movement, his pace etc enable us to play the way we have under Tuchel. For the umpteenth time, the comparison with Torres and even Morata is just pure lazy. Yes, all 3 have the unwanted reputation of not scoring enough, missing chances for us but unlike Torres and Morata, I'm not sure Werner was bought to be our #9 given he's not a #9 and the way Lampard was using him to begin with - one minute he was playing on the left and the next he was playing down the middle. With Torres especially, he held us back for years because the club and the management tried to do everything to make Torres work - from getting the right players in, to getting a manager to even building a team around him! No one is saying that with Werner and that's not the case with him and again unlike Torres and Morata, Werner can at least still be used in other positions instead of just being stuck #9 and he is at least swappable perhaps with some other players in the team. As @Tomo said before, he at least has other qualities that we can fall back onto, when things aren't going right for him like now, compared to Torres and Morata. Yes, we know Werner needs to improve and we can argue till the cows come home over this...

We could still sign him TBF, maybe next year if not this year. Silva will likely leave and Rudiger may or may not be signing a new contract.

Simon Johnson said again today that the club still want to sign Kounde but god knows if Chalobah's emergence has maybe changed their mind.

Will get €40 million + €5 million add ons apparently, which will be the most expensive deal in Roma's history! Some Roma fans aren't happy with the signing from what I've seen, especially for the price.

Did they say that publicly? All those numbers came from journalists like Fjortoft, who may well have been making BS up. He did. Inter were like 50-50 on selling because they knew how important he was to Inter and the backlash that they would get from the fans. But once Lukaku wanted the move, Inter accepted it and also because they got an out to explain selling him, besides their financial problem. As for Haaland, I don't see why he needed to wait for us to put in an offer to want to join us. Our interest in him was well known and if he really wanted to join us, he would have pushed for the move, forced Dortmund's hand like what many players have done in the past. But he didn't do that and neither did Raiola.

Can we get a midfielder who is actually not going to keep on passing sideways or backwards?

It should be fixed now. 😀

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@Tomo Did you disable your messenger on here? lol

You don't know that, do we? The Athletic's reporters said Dortmund refused to negotiate and neither Haaland nor Raiola pushed for the move to happen, unlike Lukaku in the other situation. That suggests Haaland isn't desperate to join us and wants to have the club of his choosing next year. People just need to stop thinking that clubs will automatically big money for their players. Clubs like Dortmund aren't stupid. They are well managed and they would have assessed all the possible scenarios over selling Haaland this summer and next summer. Yes, it may look stupid that they will receive less money when they sell him next summer but he is too important for them, especially having sold Sancho. Retaining him means they will give themselves a high chance of finishing in the Top 4 again (getting all that CL money) and maybe another cup to go with their sporting ambition. It will also give them time to assess the market for a new striker.

Did he or did he not provide at least key assists in the run-in? Has he not proven to be a key component in the way Tuchel wants us to play? You're making it as if I actually said he has had profound impact when all I said was he has contributed to the team, just not with the consistent flow of goals that we all want. Plus as some others have said here, no one else in the team is able to provide what he does. We played better last season when he's in the team and the stats are there to back it up. For sure he'll be judged on goals but at the same time, he's also not bought purely for that. Same goes for every signing and every attacker. So how about we see what happens this season instead of crying foul over the same thing repeatedly? By the way, it's funny how you said an attacker is judged on the end product and not the movement or pressing when I believe you have made excuses for some other player. Do people only judge players, results etc in pre-season when it suits them? Havertz was good against Arsenal but then he was quiet against Spurs and in the Super Cup. Havertz did look dangerous after he came on today but the end product wasn't there, was it? Is it any different to what Werner did in the few times he got in behind but produced no end product that he's getting criticized for? Ziyech was good in pre-season but are we sure it's gonna continue into the season? It's not as if he didn't have good performances last season, only to see him produced some bad ones. For sure he needs to improve but at the same time, if it was all about the goals with Tuchel, he would have been dropped long time ago.

What can one do if Dortmund didn't want to negotiate at all?

TBF, either Kounde in now or maybe next year. Silva will likely leave next year and will Rudiger sign that new contract?

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Maybe better to get these big fixtures out of the way before the Champions League begins.

Just imagine if every manager had better players.

Real Madrid have said it's BS. https://www.realmadrid.com/en/news/2021/08/14/official-announcement?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organico