didierforever

how many players are there that can be compared to gerrard/CR/messi/DD/lamps? if u have a player that is equal to these guys, u would not be even thinking about selling it.

"IF i leave Chelsea, I would be unprofessional, just because I am not playing does not mean that i dont love Chelsea. I am not leaving." JUAN MATA.

and no one including me will argue against that. Even now all we were discussing is mata's usefullness as a substitute. Oscar gives us some brilliant balance but mata provides magic like no one else. Mata will leave chelsea at the end of the season but not right now.

Mata was hardly spectacular? He was THE game changer. And even if he was not you asked me how could mata be useful being a sub and a squad player. He changed the whole complexion of the match after coming in and that should be enough to answer your question.MAZACAR had us dreaming after the first 8 games of the last season. After which everything went downhill. Here hazard-oscar-willian have started what 2/3/4 matches together. There is still a long way to go before we dub mata as excessive. Also dude 33goals and 58 assists over the course of 2 seasons speak for themselves. That is what mata has done with possession.

watch the tottenham match at white hart lane and tell me if mata dint add tempo to chase the match. just cos mata is not the quickest he cant add tempo. is that what one bad match can do? negate everything good he has done over the course of 2 years? selling off mata makes us lose a world class player. probably the only player who can play possession football and literally control the game. oscar-hazard-willian combo is looking wonderful but dont forget it been barely a 2 weeks or less. there was a time when we thought nothing can beat MAZACAR too and how wrong were we then.

most of us have. and that is what is frustrating. we have so many fringe players who can be sold (marin, moses, kakuta, essien) along with that we will be selling some of the first team players or first team quality players too like (cech/courtois, kdb, ba and or torres) so i dont get why people would want to sell mata for funds. (something which i have been trying to say in the mata thread too but its a fish market there). the only reason mata leaves is cos of lack of first team action. anyways all this is mere speculation and way into the future. first lets see what happens in this window itself.

makes sense. but keeping hold off mata would be hard specially with teams like napoli, psg showing interest, as for piazon, i think keeping a youth player as a 6th AM is way better than having say someone like marin/kdb/moses as the 6th AM. he would just get odd CUP games so should not be that big an issue.

PSG will buy hazard, my ass. who are we, ARSENAL???

PSG will buy hazard, my ass.

with the way things are panning out i think moses might get another shot. kdb is definitely gone. mata might not be there next season. so i feel hazard, willian, oscar, schurrle, moses and piazon as our 6 AMs next year.

as u said this sums it up. and for the thousandth time i ll ask, how does selling mata help STRENGTHEN our squad. we are selling kdb. and will get the required funds from him. mata will be sold in the summer (again an argument i have been giving continously) when we can actually go on to spend big on a striker of our choice (none of whom are available now). also a big point in his argument was mata's "behaviour" in the previous match and hence he should be sold, coupled with utilization (i doubt that word came up even once in all our arguments but i would give him the benefit of doubt there). since u summed him up, i ll sum up myself, mata will be sold, but selling him off in this transfer window helps us in no way. infact it weakens us. also we have good enough options to sell and get those much needed funds. all i have continously asked is "how does selling mata help us THIS SEASON" and i am yet to get an answer from KOREA.

have u read the whole conversation since yesterday? do u know the context we are talking about? selling mata to buy KI or playing torres/etoo/ba on the wings. dont just take one quote and give it your own spin. as for the relegation argument. i gave it since he so adamantly said United fans said the same thing about Park Ji sung as well and guess how many titles were won during his time there playing a significant role for United... park winning the PL was his argument, him getting relegated was mine. how do those other players make a difference?

so now we should buy KI (LOL). my nation has a national team but that does not mean that I should say that chelsea should buy sunil chetrri. Sunil chettri and KI playing for chelsea (LOL). I have watched Ki play plenty of times to know that he is no where near our quality. And by that I mean he is not good enough to be even a squad player at chelsea. We have players like romeu on loan who are MILES better than KI. As for park ji sun, he played under SAF. Last season he was the same player who got RELEGATED. Or do u think that's his quality. SAF is the best manager of our time and knew exactly how best to use each of his players. Park ji sun was notjin special and to credit him for uniteds success (LOL-MAX).Anyways continue trolling. The fact that you have yet to answer the one and only question I have asked u about 10 times now just shows exavtly what u r .

my love for chelsea will triumph both of those things. but your love for KI seems to be going strong. so keep on trolling this forum while supporting sunderland. also GROW a brain is self explanatory cos u dont have one. unfortunately u would not even understand that, would u? its alright, keep embarassing urself.

i might be funny but your continous negligence of my one and only question also for the last time, tell me exactly how selling mata off STRENGTHENS our squad. dont give me shit like torres and etoo and ba have played on the wings so they can play and rambo can play too on the wings (like we have de rossi, alonso and pirlo as backs up and can afford to play rambo on the wings). actually tell me how it would make us better. tells me exactly what u r. a troll who knows shit all. so once u grow a brain, then reply back.

again how? selling kdb gets us 25mil (ideally), 20 mil (realistically) and that is right now. mata would fetch us 25-35mil in the summer and would fectch us about the same right now. we will be buying guarin in place of him. surely we wont buy a striker like falcao/cavani right now (lewa is already done). so again how does selling mata for even if it is 10mil more right now, help us in improving our squad. sell kdb, get the money, buy a CM. in summer do all the chopping and cutting. think how influential mata must be in the squad and the effect his loss would make. selling mata right now makes no sense.

i have not turned on him once. mata will go but selling off mata right now makes as much sense as your replies. mata may not have been in jose's plans but it takes time to phase off a player who has literally been carrying the team for the last 2 seasons. cech started his career as a striker too, lets play him there cos all we care about is where people played during their formative years not where they have become world class superstars., right? just goes on to show how great your thinking is. your reasoning is makes 0 sense. again let me stress my point. we are not swansea. we are at this moment fighting for winning the PREMIER LEAGUE, not top 4, not top half of the table. We want to keep players who can help us win the PL as well as perform well in the CL and FA cup. for that we need squad strength. selling mata at this moment with not even half a decent option will be weaking our squad, not strengthing it. playing torres and etoo is not the way forward to win the PL and put up a fight for CL. selling off mata at this moment solves NOTHING. and why do u want to sell him? cos he waved his hand twice after getting subbed off, or threw a tantrum for 30 seconds. well this seems like a perfectly legit reason to sell our POTY for the last 2 seasons. also for the last time, tell me exactly how selling mata off STRENGTHENS our squad. dont give me shit like torres and etoo and ba have played on the wings so they can play and rambo can play too on the wings (like we have de rossi, alonso and pirlo as backs up and can afford to play rambo on the wings). actually tell me how it would make us better.

your reasoning is so pathetic and laughable, sometimes it confuses if u actually understand ANYTHING at all. torres played in the wing and etoo has played so they become better than MATA in the AM position. this argument deserves to get a special mention among other stuff. i probably that is the very reason why jose mourinho has said twice in 3 days that he wants mata to stay. i think probably that is why we have 3 different strikers and 6 different AMs. they both have shit all compared to mata when it comes to playing as an AM. hence they are strikers. or do you just think we should sell mata so as to get funds to buy KI. as for hazard, i never once doubted his "attitude". if i am harsh on hazard it cos i expect "greatness out of him", which he is delivering right now. if u think this hazard playing right now was equal to the hazard in say september then there is something wrong in your head. as for oscar, i challenged his attitude towards the end of the last season and was i worng?? he was at best average. he may have been tired by the excessive football but when the stakes are as high as a top 4 finish, u dont care about those things. look at how vital and good oscar has been right now. he has been the heart and soul of the team and if u think he was playing as good as this towards the end of the last season then u what... again let me stress my point. we are not swansea. we are at this moment fighting for winning the PREMIER LEAGUE, not top 4, not top half of the table. We want to keep players who can help us win the PL as well as perform well in the CL and FA cup. for that we need squad strength. selling mata at this moment with not even half a decent option will be weaking our squad, not strengthing it. playing torres and etoo is not the way forward to win the PL and put up a fight for CL. selling off mata at this moment solves NOTHING. and why do u want to sell him? cos he waved his hand twice after getting subbed off, or threw a tantrum for 30 seconds. well this seems like a perfectly legit reason to sell our POTY for the last 2 seasons. also for the last time, tell me exactly how selling mata off STRENGTHENS our squad. dont give me shit like torres and etoo and ba have played on the wings so they can play and rambo can play too on the wings (like we have de rossi, alonso and pirlo as backs up and can afford to play rambo on the wings).

hahahahahaha... so we should sell mata so that the press dont bother jose. also if u think we are going to buy a CB and especially an LB in this window then u have another thing coming your way. AM is the least of our concerns cos we have so many options. and thats the only reason we have been able to be as successful as we are. for eg - against tottenham, norwich, cardiff etc where our subs have turned the match on its head. so u now want torres and etoo to play on the wing but want to sell mata because????????. u still have not given a single reason how it would help us by selling mata along with kdb or even over kdb if only one of them is sold.

then tell me how selling mata but keeping kdb makes us a better team/squad!!!

we have 3 DMs in lamps, mikel and rambo. 2 of them are inconsistent (mikel, lamps). one of them SHOULD not be playing more than 1 match in a week, if we sell mata right now (with kdb surely leaving), we will be having 4 AMs down from 6 and will be losing our most potent weapon - strength in depth. how many PL matches have our AMs influenced after coming from the bench. also after getting an injury to even one of those 4 AMs we will be having 3 AMs with no one to influence the game off the bench. so please think what is best for the team. how is selling mata going to better chelsea. can u give me a couple of pointers??

willian is already in the 3 right now!!! what is oscar gets injured? do u want to sell mata too when we are already selling kdb...

if we can sell kdb for 25mil, add essien to that for another 2-3mil, kakuta for another 1-2mil and add 10mil more from roman's pocket, then we should be able to buy him. would be absolutely fab alongside rambo.

makes sense.

25mil for kdb!!! atlast we have started ripping off clubs too. lets say he goes for about 20mil, add another 2mil for essien to that and get bender/witsel from that money + something from roman's pocket. i am sure traore can do what kdb has done so far this season.