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I did the yes part, if I didn't people would have said to me that I shouldn't focus only on cons and that there's plenty other aspects blabla... But obviously I'm broadly against. I wouldn't say no for something like 20m and a part time role but that's not likely to happen like that: more expensive and he would certainly have a main role. That's why I wouldn't be surprised to see him signing in Russia to be fair, like Hulk
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With the speculation increasing for the January transfer market window about a possible move to Chelsea for Everton’s main asset this season, I decided to have a look at Marouane Fellaini’s possible contribution to the current Chelsea team. The Blues arguably need more options in central midfield since the departures of Michael Essien and Raul Meireles. The big Belgian would probably offer something few clubs could boast about in terms of variety but there’s other fair reasons to think he wouldn’t be what Chelsea needs to first and foremost to ‘save his season’. He’s a target man and offers variety Everton has finally managed to match his potential on the paper right from the start of the season. The Toffees sit 6th on the table after 17 games and hound Chelsea from just two points. David Moyes’ recipe is quite simple in terms of playing approach. He managed to implement a whole team around one central player, the 6ft4in Belgian Marouane Fellaini, recently elected Barclays Player of the Month for November. Fellaini uses to be played in front of two other midfielders (Darron Gibson, Phil Neville, Leon Osman) on a weekly basis whereas it was rather a punctual use from Moyes in the past, depending on the opposition and the options available (through injuries, suspensions…). Everton’s pattern is characteristic and features a pleasant alternation of on ground (52.2% possession, 9th rate) and direct play (66 long balls per game in average, 4th in the table) based on Fellaini’s ability to act as the target man for Jagielka, Distin or Gibson and Osman’s long balls. Nikica Jelavic tries to float in Everton’s number 25′s shadow but his contribution to the overral play is quite restricted left aside the second balls and the one touch finish opportunities in the box. But the mighty Belgian also holds a crucial role to provide support to Leighton Baines (or Séamus Coleman) who can get on the overlap and combine on the left channel, as has been highlighted by previous statistical focus. At Chelsea, the expected defensive woes at the back (resulting from an insufficient defensive work from Mata, Hazard down the flanks) has still only been the half of the unappetizing cake of the full backs left alone. With no options to combine and get on the overlap, Ashley Cole and Branislav Ivanovic have been too often useless (and caught high up). Still Mata’s opener against Monterrey in the Club World Cup semi-final is one another example of what can be Ashley Cole’s attacking impact when he’s provided options to link up in the last third. Since Didier Drogba’s departure last summer, Chelsea arguably lack an option forward to relieve defenders from pressure. John Obi Mikel is the easy way for his team mates who rely on his reliability related to his oustanding ball retention skills and composed passing but the Nigerian’s positioning at the heart of the play hardly allows him enough space to dictate the play ; often forced to provide a safe distribution to the few options available around him. Fernando Torres’ slight improvement in terms of winning aerial challenges is clearly not enough ; considering he’s never been particulary highly regarded for his hold-up play. Branislav Ivanovic getting higher up on goalkicks is the only option available for Petr Cech when he has no other choice than to hoof the ball. Marouane Fellaini would then provide variety to the Chelsea team who could punctually break the build up of his attacks via a vertical, direct long ball. Ryan Bertrand’s (or Theo Walcott) ability to follow second balls and run through space would then be used on a more regular basis, considering he’s virtually the only player to make this kind of run in the current Chelsea squad (left aside Fernando Torres). NO Probably not Fellaini’s very best game in midfield (still, he was in good form last winter). We can notice the mostly sideways passing game, the propensity to link up down the channels (Baines’ left) and the waste in the vertical play. Source: The Guardian chalkboards The mighty Bruxeller can also be frustrating when he attempts to find his team mates through space or through a line of players with a chipped pass seemingly aimed randomly, as it was the case on several occasions recently against Tottenham. Some of his forward passes aren’t properly paced as well, as the receiver is forced to anticipate, reach out the pass and use his body to protect the transmission to be intercepted or cut. His lay backs from aerial balls are fairly accurate but we can’t always say the same about his doubling play when he has to exchange several one touches short passes with a team mate close to him. Fellaini barely features a creative passing range (through a line of players, in tight intervals vertically) in his overral passing game ; something we can’t only put down to a matter of role given by his manager (what was however John Obi Mikel’s case at Chelsea FC in his former holding role in 4-3-3). As Chelsea tend to play a brand of football relying on the technical superiority of his starting eleven, thus exhibiting high passing success rates whatever approach chosen (possession high up the field or counter attack) ; the Blues probably can’t afford such technical limits and waste. He’s not broadly better to what Chelsea has defensively speaking It’s fair to say that Fellaini offers something in between Ramires and Mikel when it happens to recover the ball. The former Standard de Liège midfielder probably covers as much ground as Ramires does during games and arguably shares the same aggressiveness to challenge or dive for the ball. At the same time, his frame is similar to a certain extent to Mikel’s when he has to defend standing and/or on the man. Still, we can note a kind of over-reliance from Fellaini to dive into challenges via tackles to recover the ball as his intercepting skills doesn’t particulary catch the eye. If every team needs someone whose role would be much of the ball winner, we still have to nuance considering the requirements related to wether a team use or not to dominate the ball. A team who’ll deliberately leave the ball to the opponent will reduce as much as possible the space in between the ball and his goal by featuring more players in his own half. A densified space will tend to force duels and then increase the amount of tackles, fouls for that team (proving the point to dispose of good defending players).In contrast to that case, a team who’ll tend to dominate the ball will rather use assets such as pressing to shut down the opponent’s attacks. The deepest midfielder then won’t need to be a typical old fashioned ‘defensive midfielder’ with outstanding defensive abilities considering his role would me mainly to collect the crumbs after the sequences would be chopped with an efficient pressing. In case of the pressing having been unsufficient, that deeper midfielder would be forced to commit the odd tactical foul. We can give as prime examples of such a defensive system the Barry/Touré partnership at City or Xabi Alonso/Khedira at Madrid. Nor Barry nor Alonso are what is commonly called ‘defensive midfielder’ ; still they are the deepest midfielders of their team in attacking and defensive sequences. Their role is rather to act as an additional launch pad to the center backs thanks to an accurate passing range (and the ability to play vertically, with different levels of ability) considering the team they play for enjoys the ball most of the time. Marouane Fellaini relies on his ability to cover a lot of ground thanks to his outstanding stamina, then he can hold the same sort of special role he’s been given on attacking sequences when his team isn’t in possession at Everton. Still, for Chelsea being mobile probably wouldn’t be sufficient as he’s not explosive enough to come out and press the holder of the ball whereas he doesn’t particulary shines with his positional sense (to cover a team mate or fill a gap). Versatility among the several defensive tasks we can expect from a midfielder is something that can be very useful from a collective point of view, but only if the player is versatile enough to switch between several roles (something Raul Meireles experienced during his season with the Blues). The overral balance is made harder to find if some players can’t or don’t hold a precise role, primarly in defensive sequences. In my opinion Fellaini is a player-system, not a player of a given system ; the reciprocity is not as obvious actually. There are probably better options out there In a similar fashion than Clint Dempsey at Spurs, if we imagine Chelsea signing Marouane Fellaini, he would get into a squad where there’s better attacking players than him, better defending ones as well. Here lies the question about the amount of money the London club could reasonably spend for a player with a lot of assets and mixing quite well such different aspects of the play – something Chelsea clearly missed given the lack of defensive work from his attackers Sturridge, Mata and Hazard the recent months – but not overally better than one starter of the current system in particular. Everton and David Moyes raised eyebrows when they purchased for £15m a dynamic ‘box-to-box’ midfielder from Standard de Liège, most notably known for his habit to break the play. Considering the way his english career turned and how crucial he is for his team at the moment, one can expect Everton to hold his main player as long as it will be possible, and only consider big money offers to even think about a possible departure. Medias speculate about a fee around £30m. The main word about Fellaini seems to be ‘variety’, ‘Plan B’ but wouldn’t it be wiser to spend such an amount of money on a regular starter who wouldn’t require a mini-revolution in terms of how the team would play ? (to suit his play). In my opinion there’s wiser buys considering Chelsea needs first and foremost squad options, because the starting XI is probably good enough (the recent issues lies in the relevance/irrelevance in the playing application) but dragged by the lack of options on bench. There’s decent and cheaper options in Premier League or elsewhere such as James McCarthy (Wigan Athletic) on who Chelsea keeps a close eye for some seasons, or Etienne Capoue from Toulouse.265 fouls since July 2011 are hidden somewhere in that picture, will you be able to find its?After Chelsea’s failure to bring back the Club World Cup after his short but meaningful defeat to Corinthians last week, the second event having occupied the headlines has been Marouane Fellaini’s headbutt to Stoke’s captain Ryan Shawcross. If it was an odd happening, something you wouldn’t have expected from the player we’re talking about, I’d probably have moved on without evoking the event in such an article. But that’s precisely not the case here ; beside his oustanding footballing abilities, Marouane Fellaini has established himself as a player breaking the play with either bad pieces of defending or reckless challenges. If he has endured a similar start to his Premier League career than John Obi Mikel (Fellaini collected 10 bookings in his first 17 PL games, 19 in all competitions on his first season in England) before , he has kept a form of consistency in terms of fouls committed ; probably the consequence of being one of the few players having played both as central midfielder and central striker the recent seasons. Since his first season in Premier League (2008/09), only outside class Kevin Davies has fouled more opponents (354) than Fellaini did (337). The Belgian appeared in the top 5 for 4 seasons out of 5 (left aside 2010/11 which was cut short by an injury) in the Premier League. It’s still fair to say that Fellaini has also been the victim of his own characteristic style with probably an amount of unfair fouls against him due to the fact big players are often under scrutiny from referees. But we can then easily imagine the media fuss that would be made out of his fouls and persistant use of his hands or elbows to push opponents or grab their shirts ; let alone the impact it would be on his team’s play with more dangerous situations (set pieces) to cope with or wasted attacking sequences (something Fernando Torres can also be blamed for with too much clumsy fouls when he pressurizes defenders). Click here to view the article
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I don't care, that would be 3 enjoyable months for me then move on to the next guy lol
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You're such a twat, who's speaking about me being a scout? Is that you or me? Wonder from where you found that out by the way but that's pretty annoying.
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Long pass is more than 25 yards. Cabaye often goes for the spectacular diagonal one whereas as you shall have noticed, Tioté feeds a lot the channels
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That's incredible, I really didn't notice it haha
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I know you love stats so that's for you Cabaye: 4 goals, 6 assists, 51 shots, 38/133 crosses, 56 key passes, 95/175 long balls, 34 fouls Tioté 0 goal, 1 assist, 29 shots, 3/22 crosses, 13 key passes, 96/137 long balls, 57 fouls Both were played in a double pivot so shared the defensive and attacking duties. So tell me who's the best defensively, who's the best attacking? That's Cabaye. I think we had a chat about Tioté one or two years ago, I was quite impressed by what he did for his first season because I thought he was able to do a lot of stuff. Since he constantly disappoints me: doesn't acts as a box to box anymore, loses the ball more often, plays less passes, misses more passes. He's an ersatz of a defensive midfield, like has been said he runs like a headless chicken to recover the ball, create massive holes. He was pathetic again against City, lost the ball a couple of times and he's unique responsible of one chance and one goal (the situation leading to the corner) conceded Is he creative and plays that good pass forward after having regained the ball? I'm not sure about that
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Most of what I could have said has already been said on this page. In my opinion, in 4231 the player in the hole is crucial with and without the ball. He's the one who can make vary the shape of the team. I did that after the Fulham game, that was the first time we saw that in a fairly regular basis in the first half
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I'd like Roberto Martinez, à la AVB. As promising but managed to implement pleasant football to a bottom team, his teams doesn't concede crappy goals in the last 10 minutes as well
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The only aspect on which Cazorla and Silva are better than Mata is the ball retention thing. Reason why both play ahead of him for Spain. What makes a good playmaker, otherwise you're not one. Mata is a brilliant player. Just not a playmaker due to his poor ball retention skills. That's all
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Playmaker is a playing style, not a brand of quality. A playmaker doesn't carries the ball, he gets the ball to oxygenate the play and find his team mates with a restricted amount of touches. Silva and Cazorla are much more playmakers in the way they act in the hole, most notably to keep the ball under pressure. DYC is spot on about what Mata is, left forward, left midfield. He's very clever as a person and as a player, he's maybe a bit too intelligent as a player in fact. Thinks too much
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He disappeared a lot during games last season. Cultured guy & stuff... But he's not a playmaker nor a winger. Can't keep the ball under pressure, gets away with it and tries to release it after several yards, before being closed down. Today he had no space in a packed midfield, that was massively predictable. Like every big game from last season, left aside his goals/assists
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For some of us, watching the game is the first thing we did after waking up this morning
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Is there still people thinking Cahill is better than Luiz? Or basically that Cahill is good enough to play at this level?
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I expect professional players to understand how to skirt a player diving high up, with the type of pass and how to behave to fill the gap created. We can do that against a very very weak and flat opponent. I'm fond of organisation with close lines of players, for me 4231 has to be a 433 in possession with the CAM in between a pressing role without the ball (like Ramires' from last season in 433) and a support one with the ball (to the main striker, to the flanks). For me that's not to one of the players in the DP to press high up. If he does, the CAM has to drop to fill that gap (what Oscar does brilliantly)
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I said that because sometimes he got high up and dived, the Monterrey player easily picked a player who went to the hole with a diagonal pass. And Luiz stayed up, didn't track back
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Nice stuff for the 1st half an hour: higher up pressing, less space between the lines, more protection & options down the flanks. What if Benitez implemented what Robbie was ordered to do, but with a better shape and organisation ? On Luiz at CM. Decent to carry the ball up, his vertical play is useful to play more direct. But little issues to press, such as Ramires', tendency to come too high up and dive in front of the opponent instead of the zonal approach usually expected from the 2 midfielders in such a system. Azpilicueta lost a couple of 1vs1 against a good opponent but he's offered little protection by either Mata or Cahill to cover him, that has to be said.
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He has mostly been used as the anchor man in Toulouse 4-1-4-1. When I say he could be a good box to box that's based on sequences when he carries the ball up on several yards, gets past the 1st man with ease and makes the difference with a good final pass. That's interesting considering he's the tactical nous to hold a role ; that role doesn't mean that's the only one he can hold. In my very humble opinion that's the opposite from the Fellaini type of player which purpose is to spread all over all the what they can do in order to hide the things they can't do. That's obvious that the tip of Capoue's iceberg isn't all he can do. I've massive doubts on the submerged part of the Fellaini iceberg (probably just floating on the surface). Don't know if you see what I mean though
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The release clause is £3,5m indeed. Ramires is miles ahead of Dembele, Diamé etc... even if they are pleasant players to watch too. Ramires' last services are unmatched.
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Is it needed to recall some of his quotes ? This guy is a complete moron.
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Usually the briton (never knew how to spell that, from UK) midfielder tends to be a box to box or rely on runs with or without the ball. McCarthy is much more of the Carrick/Josh type, not particulary the ones who are made to flourish in UK whereas there's plenty of MFs elsewhere in Europe who tend to have the same abilities than them. McCarthy doesn't carries the ball that much, he's in "pass, ask, pass" mood most of the time. Always available, good vision and good execution to deliver the pass he saw. That's something we find in continental Europe. A bit off topic but considering I'm french but I'm blinkered with English football, I'm always bemused to see that the concept of box to box midfielder isn't something evident for a lot of people in France. There's also a clear issue with shooting from distance in France by example, we see that from grassroots to the very top level, players don't shoot from outside the box...
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I think we should have a look at him in January, it's known we're following him for some time (there was rumours about a £10m offer last year). We got a more promising player than Hulk in Moses. I really think we could do the same deal with McCarthy who's a more interesting option than Fellaini (for what we need, for the way we play etc...) McCarthy has often been acknowledged as an all round midfielder, good to recover the ball but quite "continental" in his playing style.
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Nope, Lampard is the link man who triggers the pressing in 4-2-3-1.
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Before Torres scored his goal, he was provided 4 chances in just 13 minutes. Fuss about the voodoo thing, the pace thing, the mentally weak thing... With all his weaknesses, when he got service (suited for his movements, basically like every striker in the world) he was efficient (except for the couple of sitters he missed this autumn) There was a good sequence as well when the players did interchange well, quickly to keep the ball up the field after Ramires recovered the ball. That's good we scored the 2nd. Sunderland players are knackered as MON did rotate his squad even less than Robbie did so we haven't to expect the same ending than at West Ham
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I did a couple of charts out of the game on my tumblr, I didn't want to write something as I wasn't able to see the whole game (crap stream) http://theweststand.tumblr.com/ In the 1st half I liked the pressing shape and the 4-3-3 in possession.