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Potter "stopped the bleeding", but not like there is downfall again at the end of this chart Ya know. This is suffering, not controlling the situation.

I feel like whatever happens will be bad. If we win, it will be like beating seniors on wheelchairs, given in how big of pickle Southampton is, but people will surely get carried away by this. If we lose, it will be "bruh, Potter is resting players, Dortmund is coming and the season is lost anyway" bs, and if it will be another humiliating draw, but some obscure stat will be up, it will be "we played great, unlucky, but it's coming, trust the pr00cess!". I'd consider this as a game to get the team cohesion up and not much more in terms of judging bigger picture.

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At least it gets into negative hours later, so we are getting younger. It's like that since board refresh.

Would be fine and refreshing, if only he wasn't speaking as a manager of the club that's traditionally shafted on every occasion by refs and even freaking government like no other. I can understand that the new board may want to change it, but it's like with school bullies - being silent or playing it down won't necessarily make things better… But it needs owner being vocal either publicly or not about it as well.

All I can hope for if for the board to exhibit similar level of passion and heat when assessing this matter as this thread here 😆

How's that related to what I said? Perhaps it would have been 3-1, but if our players could actually hit the net, I think we'd also get some more CL trophies and other nice silverware since Conte's departure. We are what we are. Let's not forget it's exactly why Lukaku landed here.

Haters 😂 Let me guess, you didn't consider the historical circumstances for other managers on the list, especially those you tried to insult, only the one you have strangely enthusiastic relation with, did you? Is he here to stay, time will tell, but I'm quite sure this thread wouldn't be 56 pages long if someone managed to actually make one, convincing argument for the club to appoint and keep Potter here. Meanwhile it's just people ranting about his deficiences that are obvious to see and terrible track record so far vs people with more or less reasonable excuses for him and pure speculation. This way I'm afraid it will last until Potter will manage to silence his critics with his actions at least a little or he is gone, so yeah, long road indeed. And I would actually consider the toxicity point, if you also tried to raise it in Cucu's, Koulibaly, Havertz or Puli's thread, but somehow bashing players based on subjective reception of fans is traditionally fine, meanwhile pointing to manager's (who is the boss, so naturaly has to meet way higher demands in terms quality, then footballers) numbers, that scream doom is toxicity? Nah, sorry, don't buy it. And it's not like taking any owner's actions without a grain of salt had ever lead any serious club to any good.

But on the other hand first 24 games is not enough time for a manager to do anything, unless it works in favour of your opinion 😉 I feel like this discussion is slowly getting into a corner. Potter good, Potter bad, doesn't really matter, he needs to step up his stuff asap and I think everybody realizes that.

How can a stats be biased? It's numbers, that's it. The only bias can come from a context that you want to interpret them with.

Yeah, sure, I don't see the player exodus due to single miss put on Europe, but if it will cause as to do a garage sale this summer and next season won't change things over, then who knows what happens.

https://sportwitness.co.uk/Chelsea-man-no-longer-irreplaceable-poor-form-club-already-looking-alternatives/ Inter seems to be leaning towards getting rid of Lukaku, unless they will shaft us on cash completely.

I'm afraid this is not that simple, hence all that "player power" and mentality talk. This Hungarian interview with Z. Low that someone posted a few pages back is very interesting read on the matter. He said they had to completely shift their perception and knowledge of what managing a team is when coming from Dortmund to PSG, in short.

Basically, I'd want Chelsea to keep being Chelsea in some significant extent, not leave the logo and wipe everything else. Making some plastic monster straight off Football Manager is an option, especially given the money involved, but what is the point? Hope to see more of the impact like James and Mount (or even CHO for a while) did when entering the team. If all the academy is able to provide is at best squad players, it's not a good sign, no matter how expensive transfers we make. We complain how we lack leaders like Terry and Lampard, but they will not appear out of nowhere. And it's not like we can get rid of all the HG players and call it a day, you know, unless the Superleague is a thing. Also, I wouldn't be so positive that James is imprisoned here. He may be a true Chelsea man, but he has interest of the best clubs, if we miss out on Europe, Potter fails to impress even more and the "project" won't really click, he won't let his career be destroyed in a long term…

Yeah, people seem to not notice we are pretty surely missing on CL if we won't win the CL itself this year (good luck) and in immediate danger on missing out on Europe at all, and not realize it pretty much means no shiny new players for hundreds of millions for a longer while and the crisis we haven't seen for years. I wonder how TB wants to accomodate for what will be a huge blow for the club. The leak about selling HG players was somewhat of a stunt in Mount contract talks, but let's say Mount is sold, as well as RLC, James (he will surely love to miss on any international competition instead of going to Madrid), Chalo and Gallagher. So the super-duper new Chelsea is built on Potter and (with all due respect) Mudryk, neither having anything to do with Chelsea except being employed by as of now, finishing 12 and next season 10? That's what the hardcore cold-headed fans would love to see? I don't know whether to laugh or to cry then.

I really wonder what goes through heads of people who take some incredible form of bliss in fact we may be potentially stuck for years with a manager incompetent for the job. I understand people who were throwing themselves on Ole in United, but this? lol. If all you ever wanted was for Chelsea to stick with a manager for life, let it at lest be the elite one. But don't worry, Boehly is no idiot (for most of the time). Now there is no one in sight to replace GP anyway, so it is what it is. BUT if this shit continues, we'll miss out on Europe and someone becomes available in summer and/or possibilities of pulling someone Chelsea level out of club will open, you may cry. Actually, it is rather unheard of for top clubs to hire someone, who had never ever sniffed the shadow of achievements that the club wants to achieve on daily basis. Whether it works for Chelsea is no debate for me, but apparently a lot of people have different opinion.

Honestly, the thing that, in my mind and morality, set us apart from Real or PSG during Roman era was not getting the showoff players with bad boy, clown-ish starlet mentality. And I would very much prefer us to stay this way.

Mate, seriously, is Potter your family or what? 😂 If so, I'll give him some slack. It's basic club hierarchy - when we buy players with potential and slowly let them into a team it's rather normal. If we are appointing sub-par manager/medical staff/coaches/owner it's unacceptable. Players are easy to bench or sell and there's 11 of them. Anyone higher the ladder, not so much. Plus I was first to criticize tossing hundreds of millions for unproven footballers from small time leagues, some TC members liked in their FIFA, so what is your point exactly? Potter been here for 5 months, so if that's "instantly", then slow life ftw. Koulibaly and Cucurella been here for more or less the same time, yet hardly anyone waits with judgement here, so what, blurred standards again? As of Mudryk, it's worth noting he did not quite look like the rumored pace abuser for more than 25 mins yesterday, so he may be overused or overtrained already. Not to mention his mind seemed to collapse under weight of important, away CL game, so he may be even more raw, than people thought he is.

I'd be surprised if Potter had suddenly thrown himself into this scuffle, yet have to admit, that random and pure shithousery in form of random coaching staff member deciding out of the blue, for absolutely zero reason, to take down the opposition player with a cheeky tackle deserves some love.

C'mon, Kepa could as well leave the line and go for a cigarette break and it still would be hard to blame him for it. You don't allow fast and lethal opponent to have a 1:1 situation from the middle of pitch and expect keeper to recover it. It would be a miracle if he did, it was fine he didn't.

You must have missed the moment when a sizeable part of our fans actually started to consider Southampton and Elche our circle then. 👀

So… You claim that buying way to success, what imho is nothing to be especially proud of, is what makes us elite club? Not the performances? And, besides spending this much, we shouldn't consider ourselves god given to be in top 6? Can't imagine City fans getting all hyped up, because in 12th game without win their team managed to play 90 minutes against worse opponent with only one major error and lose. And then gaffer comes out and says we tried, but were unlucky. There is time to be humble and time to be honest. This is nothing else than mid-table mentality and fall of standards and I still cannot comprehend where it came from for so many people. The standards were understandably lowered for Lampard who was inexperienced and hit with transfer ban, however even he managed to deliver not only results, but also individual players development (apart from all the things he's done wrong ofc). But now? People act like they were supporting 6 years olds on sunday league for whatever reason. Before missing out on top4, not even mentioning missing out on EL, was unimaginable and deadly sin for this team. We were not relegated, bankrupted, stripped of players and points, so the whole change was supposed to be for the better, right? So why should we act like mid-table was our pipe dream level now? You can love Potter for whatever reason You do and have full right to have it this way. However no amount of philosophical debate whether we should demand anything from elite club and investments or not will cover how the reality looks. You may call it entitlement, I'd call it proper level of ambition for a truly elite team or one that wants to be such. On this level, drawing is considered a loss. Meanwhile we apply the mid-table level of success judgement, expectations and demands to the team. People seem to be all happy, because "Potter coached the win", whatever it means (ever head such bs in Chelsea context before?), we had good xG and "good game". Well, it was the hallmark of GP's "success" in Brighton, right? High xG, "good game" and finishing 16th due to inability to make anything out of it. All that is happening and being said by either GP on conferences or people supporting him would be great and understandable, if we were contenders for top 12. So maybe it's time for everyone to their own to answer the question whether we are aiming for top 12, or top 1, because all further judgement depends on this.