Again you and my critics seems to see the world in black and white. Hiddinks career is totally different. Hidding left PSV and went to Turkey to manager Fernebace, the went to Valencia, then he managed dutch national team for 4 years, then he went to Real Madrid and got the axe before one entire season because he said the club lacked professionalism, then: Real Betis, South Korea, PSV, Australia, Russia, Turkey. Carlo in Italy: 1999-2009 managed the giants Juventus and Milan, in a period when they were really giants. If you can't seen a huge difference between a manager who stayed one entire decade managing top clubs in the same league and managed to win only one league and a manager who besides some months in Real Madrid never managed a really great team, then you are hopeless.