YorkshireBlue

No that's where you are mistaken, a good team burrys them chances and doesn't waste every single one.

I'll ask you the same question, out of the teams above us, which squad is worse than ours? You are right though I can't compare.poch to klopp, klopps had 7 years to mold Liverpool into what they are, our gaffer has had half a season, sorry that was stupid on my part.

Which team above us is our line up better than? And clearly it wasn't, we lost, we had the best chances and missed 4 sitters.

Pochs first season reached a cup final and European football is not impossible either. People thinking he will turn it round isn't half as delusional as people who think this roster as it stands is good enough to win trophies and achieve top 4 🤣

What do you base this off?

Yeah it's amazing what a team can do even with thier best players out when a manager has been there what 7 years? Imagine having a club run the same way for seven years! Every one knows exactly what the style is and the standard, mean while our fans are still calling for a new manager every six months and wonder why we are never consistent. It's a real head scratcher.

How can I be lowering standards? I'm just a fan, I just don't sit here saying we are better than what we are because ATM we are not, and I don't put it all on the manager.

But by your own words if we hired some one good we wouldn't need patience lol, some of our patterns of play have been excellent, our problems happen when teams just put 11 men behind the ball, these players have all come from terms bar maybe Palmer, where they have never had to deal with this before, experience comes from playing and the more they play and the more mistakes they make the better players they will become. Poch was never brought in the win trophy's and we all know it, poch has been brought in to mould these young men into a team and create a solid foundation. You can't win trophy's with a young team like this, think it's time we all started accepting that.

@lucio don't get me wrong I don't think poch is world class, but I saw what he did to that spurs team and how they played and it's nothing like we are seeing here. So from that basis I know what he's trying to do, problem we have is these players don't have the experience to know, when to move up when to go in or side deep or switch sides, you can see it in our play! So much seconded guessing. And an inexperienced team couldn't carry a decent manager, and there lies the problem. Change the manager and we have the same issue time and time again, first we need to get a well balanced team, the recruitment and injury department have been below par, far below. And I'm not sure about setting up the team up poorly, because lol at our bench lol we have fuck all.

TBF Jacksons looked twice the player on the left, chilwell I agree with but we need some experience in the team and when he's properly fit and onit he can be one hell of a player.

But there stems the problem, your using bad manager and a team full of inexperience in the same sentence, all the manager can do is set the team up and these players need to gain the experience, once they do it makes any managers job easier. You give the best joiner an apprentice and see what you end up with as a final cabinet for example, then give the same joiner an experienced joiner the difference is night and day, it's the exact same in football

I think with a fully fit team a 433 is absolutely fine back 4 of gusto fofana colwill chilwell Midfield 3 of Enzo caicedo lavia And a front 3 of Jackson new striker palmer The new striker cannot be a young inexperienced kid though, and we build from that foundation

The forum was full of messages about how he wasn't good enough, it isn't just me saying it. Again this is far easier to say than the actual reality. We simply don't know it Poch could do it with a team of decent experienced players, the difference between youth and experience is night and day. If poch gets sacked I hope we get a "world class" manager because this narrative that any other WC manager would have this team firing is simply not true. Players play to how other players are around them, take Enzo for example in the world cup, he was amazing because of who he had around him, he will have been getting constant directions of senior players on the pitch. You cannot polish a turd, no matter who the person trying to polish it is.

This forum has complained about wing backs and the 3 ATB system for years!! Now your saying you want him at wing back? He wasn't good enough here he's moved to a farmers league and playing well, exactly the same as most of the dress that leave here. New managers make an immediate impact in relegation teams for them to either get sacked the season after or get relegated the season after, quick fixes temporary seals the problem but doesn't actually resolve the problem. This team doesn't need a new manager, first and foremost it's need a new recruitment team, you cannot fill a team with kids in every position and expect consistency regardless who the manager is. We have 2 options 1. Scrap this plan and go back to spending on big names every season, switch managers like are underwear and consistently chasing a settled and the right squad for each managers play style. 2, grit our teeth and hold on to what we are doing and hopefully it works, the reason we are where we are isn't because of the manager, it's because of this apparent new model the club is taking. Potter frank and Poch, doesn't matter.

Your confusing tactics with coaching mate, not once in that message did it mention tactics, it's easy to say Poch hasn't improved one player when most of us have never seen most of these play before now.

I saw this In another forum, I think it's spot on. How are you supposed to judge the improvement of Jackson, Palmer, Caicedo, Madueke, Gusto, Disasi, Colwill, Petrovic? Palmer is better than what he showed at City last season, Gusto has been excellent, Disasi and Colwill are better players than they were at the beginning of the season, and Sterling improved on last season. Let's not let a narrative get in the way of actual evidence. You also cannot assemble a squad devoid of leadership characteristics and then 8 months into his tenure blame the manager for the lack of leadership being shown (even more so when considering other factors like injuries). As I've said, keep the manager unless things become untenable, build the squad, fix the injury issues. That's the only way forward.

Sometimes it does seem like every man for themselves but in big moments and in moments that need experience young players look to the seniors players and rely on them to show them the way, problem we have is there is none so no on knows wtf to do and that shows on the pitch.

Bad buys for alot of money doesn't mean they are good players as we have seen over the course of the season, the plan apparently is to buy top youth players and blend them into a winning team, so the theory goes. The idea its self is actually brilliant it's just been practiced wrong, yes you need young players to build and mold a team, but these players have come to a new league and a new country with no senior players bar sterling and silva and chilwell to teach them nurture them and learn from. Managers can sort tactics and improve players as a coach but they cannot and will not ever be able to teach them what they could learn of established senior players. And this is one of the problem we can keep replacing the manager until the cows come home but until we have a solid senior player basis for the "young talent" to learn and perfect thier craft off, we will never improve.

Watch his left hand, there was no snub

Well considering he lost 3 finals himself that's not a certainty

Yes this will take longer than most I will admit 😜

Yes, I don't tend to sit and remember that bad days this club has and I certainly don't store every single bit of knowledge about this club in my head at all time, I tend to remember the good things rather than get so hung up on the bad 🤣

I'm not going any where with it, I'm simply asking a question which were the managers I. Charge when we lost the previous 5 finals.......

Thanks did one of them lose 2?

I'm just asking who the managers were?