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Mahmoud Dahoud

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On 18/02/2017 at 2:17 PM, BlueLyon said:

He will probably end up in Bvb for 10m...

German media is usualy right.

They normally do get it right when it comes to German league transfers €10m for Dahoud is such a steal 

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29 minutes ago, Blue-in-me-Veins said:

Pretty sure he's picking Borrussia Dortmund. 

 

He would be a good addition as BVB's centre midfield could certainly use a quality boost. Yet another youngster but Dortmund don't have the financial power to buy established players, so there's no other way in terms of top potential.

Dortmund really need some clarity and structure at this point though. They've assembled a very big squad but they're still lacking in certain positions, overloaded in others, but mostly lacking in experiences. Dortmund can't go out and buy a player like Verratti, but you can target players in the 25-30 age bracket who might not be top players but are good enough to make a positive impact for Dortmund (and the youngsters surrounding them).

Isak, Dembele, Pulisic, Mor, Guerreiro, Weigl, possibly Dahoud, and players like Merino and Passlack is a great amount of talent but they are developing players who will experience highs and lows and can't be expected to keep Dortmund competitive at all fronts. You can already see it in the current season as they're trailing Bayern by 16 points, producing schizophrenic performances throughout the season. Reus is constantly injured and Aubameyang will most likely leave in the summer so that leaves you with very little star power. If they're not careful they might slip the next few years.

And while I wish Dortmund the best I sure do hope we steal Dembele. Show them the money, Chelsea.

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18 minutes ago, DYC. said:

He would be a good addition as BVB's centre midfield could certainly use a quality boost. Yet another youngster but Dortmund don't have the financial power to buy established players, so there's no other way in terms of top potential.

Dortmund really need some clarity and structure at this point though. They've assembled a very big squad but they're still lacking in certain positions, overloaded in others, but mostly lacking in experiences. Dortmund can't go out and buy a player like Verratti, but you can target players in the 25-30 age bracket who might not be top players but are good enough to make a positive impact for Dortmund (and the youngsters surrounding them).

Isak, Dembele, Pulisic, Mor, Guerreiro, Weigl, possibly Dahoud, and players like Merino and Passlack is a great amount of talent but they are developing players who will experience highs and lows and can't be expected to keep Dortmund competitive at all fronts. You can already see it in the current season as they're trailing Bayern by 16 points, producing schizophrenic performances throughout the season. Reus is constantly injured and Aubameyang will most likely leave in the summer so that leaves you with very little star power. If they're not careful they might slip the next few years.

And while I wish Dortmund the best I sure do hope we steal Dembele. Show them the money, Chelsea.

Apart from Bayern, buli is awful these days. Schalke, Bayer, Wolfsburg are far cry of what they were. BMG are somewhat decent here and there but not top either. Then you have Werder almost relegated and Stuttgart in second tier. And these are clubs with good achievments not long ago. Talk about how great structure german clubs have...

Dortmund would have to fall realy low to not catch at least europa every year. They have created good reputation for young players so it wont be hard to get top talent, because they will get play time and develop well. Bayern is not catchable in current form, regardless of who Bvb buys. They simply lose players every year and bayern is not, which is the key difference to stability. 

IMO Dortmund is doing the best they can in current situation, but Tuchel cant motivate team to give 100% every game. And their defence is shambles. They can easily afford better players than Bartra and Castro, but they dont. 

The injuries are destroying them too. Not just Reus, but half of the squad is injured every two weeks.

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5 hours ago, BlueLyon said:

Apart from Bayern, buli is awful these days. Schalke, Bayer, Wolfsburg are far cry of what they were. BMG are somewhat decent here and there but not top either. Then you have Werder almost relegated and Stuttgart in second tier. And these are clubs with good achievments not long ago. Talk about how great structure german clubs have...

Dortmund would have to fall realy low to not catch at least europa every year. They have created good reputation for young players so it wont be hard to get top talent, because they will get play time and develop well. Bayern is not catchable in current form, regardless of who Bvb buys. They simply lose players every year and bayern is not, which is the key difference to stability. 

IMO Dortmund is doing the best they can in current situation, but Tuchel cant motivate team to give 100% every game. And their defence is shambles. They can easily afford better players than Bartra and Castro, but they dont. 

The injuries are destroying them too. Not just Reus, but half of the squad is injured every two weeks.

I love how the big teams in England struggling with the smaller sides these past years is a testament of the PL's 'competitiveness' yet when it comes to Serie A and Bundesliga it's because of decline (of course the Serie A declined after 06 but they've been on strong upward spiral for years). No one say a thing about failings in Europe because English sides are weak in the continental competitions.

Bayern will fall one day and that's when you pounce. Lyon won the league consecutively for seven years until '08 and haven't won it since. When I use that example I don't mean to insinuate the same will happen to Bayern, but they can't win the league forever. They're current run is already an all-time record.

I disagree with Dortmund doing the best they can. They would be wise to invest more into that 25-30 age bracket. Matic, Alonso, Cahill level players are definitely attainable for a club of their size. And players like that are necessary. I disagree with you about Bartra and Castro. They're good players (Bartra could become very good). They need more players like that and, ideally, players of a (slightly) higher level.

Football fans all over the world need to give Bayern more credit for their succes btw. Their achievements in the past seven, eight years are because of a board who have run the club extremely well. Not because of the so-called low level of the Bundesliga. English clubs could only dream of such an intricate operation. They mostly specialise in spending for the sake of spending.

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2 hours ago, DYC. said:

I love how the big teams in England struggling with the smaller sides these past years is a testament of the PL's 'competitiveness' yet when it comes to Serie A and Bundesliga it's because of decline (of course the Serie A declined after 06 but they've been on strong upward spiral for years). No one say a thing about failings in Europe because English sides are weak in the continental competitions.

Bayern will fall one day and that's when you pounce. Lyon won the league consecutively for seven years until '08 and haven't won it since. When I use that example I don't mean to insinuate the same will happen to Bayern, but they can't win the league forever. They're current run is already an all-time record.

I disagree with Dortmund doing the best they can. They would be wise to invest more into that 25-30 age bracket. Matic, Alonso, Cahill level players are definitely attainable for a club of their size. And players like that are necessary. I disagree with you about Bartra and Castro. They're good players (Bartra could become very good). They need more players like that and, ideally, players of a (slightly) higher level.

Football fans all over the world need to give Bayern more credit for their succes btw. Their achievements in the past seven, eight years are because of a board who have run the club extremely well. Not because of the so-called low level of the Bundesliga. English clubs could only dream of such an intricate operation. They mostly specialise in spending for the sake of spending.

Yeah Bayern deserves praise for their work. If I remember correctly they were not even in CL around 2008. But they also take literaly all the talent from their rivals. Hummels, Lewa, Gotze,...

As if we bought Alli, Kane and Alderweireld from competion...

Its true tho english clubs are only good at spending. 

Juve did fantastic too. Going from serie b to unbeatable in serie a is brilliant.

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20 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

Yeah Bayern deserves praise for their work. If I remember correctly they were not even in CL around 2008. But they also take literaly all the talent from their rivals. Hummels, Lewa, Gotze,...

As if we bought Alli, Kane and Alderweireld from competion...

Its true tho english clubs are only good at spending. 

Juve did fantastic too. Going from serie b to unbeatable in serie a is brilliant.

Lewa joined Bayern for free. Could've gone anywhere and only wanted to join Bayern. Hummels enjoyed plenty of interest and chose Bayern. Gotze deal was a heist. But then again, why blame Bayern for the financial climate they created for themself? Those players joined Bayern because they would earn more money and because the chances of succes were higher.

Powerhouses in England have done the same. Utd bought players like Berbatov, Carrick, Van Persie. City bought Adebayor, Nasri, Sagna. Chelsea bought Cole and Torres.

Yes, Juve is the same. I find it annoying when people say one team league. They've simply done an amazing job in taking the club to the next level. I wish I could witness the same at Chelsea.

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I will pay over the odds for him at this point. We can't afford to let him go to Dortmund. I hope we've spoken to his representatives and told them he has a great chance to be a member of our starting XI. The competition for his position isn't great. Dortmund are a great club with the best group of young players in Europe but surely the opportunity to play alongside established world stars and a top manager we can offer should trump what Dortmund can offer him? 

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1 hour ago, MrExcalibur100 said:

I will pay over the odds for him at this point. We can't afford to let him go to Dortmund. I hope we've spoken to his representatives and told them he has a great chance to be a member of our starting XI. The competition for his position isn't great. Dortmund are a great club with the best group of young players in Europe but surely the opportunity to play alongside established world stars and a top manager we can offer should trump what Dortmund can offer him? 

 

We have contacted him, as have Liverpool, Dortmund, and I believe Juve as well (but they are nailed on to sign Tolisso so they may have dropped out). 

I hope Conte was able to sell him hard that he won't be a bench warmer as you mentioned. But one question I have is this, do you think Conte would trust a  Dahoud-Kante pivot in most games? I think we'd be missing some serious aerial ability in midfield as well as some steel. So even If we were to sign him, that would almost guarantee a switch back to a 3-man midfield no? 

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1 hour ago, Blue-in-me-Veins said:

We have contacted him, as have Liverpool, Dortmund, and I believe Juve as well (but they are nailed on to sign Tolisso so they may have dropped out). 

I hope Conte was able to sell him hard that he won't be a bench warmer as you mentioned. But one question I have is this, do you think Conte would trust a  Dahoud-Kante pivot in most games? I think we'd be missing some serious aerial ability in midfield as well as some steel. So even If we were to sign him, that would almost guarantee a switch back to a 3-man midfield no? 

Dahoud is apparently 5'9 so while he isn't Matic or Ballack tall, he won't be Kante's midget partner either. I think it's an interesting question you ask concerning height in our pivot and how that relates to finding a suitable partner for Kante. IIRC, we've been linked to Verratti and Conte apparently is a huge fan (who isn't?) so I'm guessing any potential height issues isn't a problem for Conte? Or maybe like you stated, we're thinking of going after Verratti with the idea of going 3-5-2. Personally, I don't believe Conte is interested in changing our system and he shouldn't. 

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15 hours ago, MrExcalibur100 said:

Dahoud is apparently 5'9 so while he isn't Matic or Ballack tall, he won't be Kante's midget partner either. I think it's an interesting question you ask concerning height in our pivot and how that relates to finding a suitable partner for Kante. IIRC, we've been linked to Verratti and Conte apparently is a huge fan (who isn't?) so I'm guessing any potential height issues isn't a problem for Conte? Or maybe like you stated, we're thinking of going after Verratti with the idea of going 3-5-2. Personally, I don't believe Conte is interested in changing our system and he shouldn't. 

 

I agree that Conte doesn't want to change our formation, but he's also quoted as saying that in Europe, he felt he couldn't play his 343 at Juve and needed to switch to 433, so maybe he has eyes on that as well.

And Listen, I really really rate Dahoud highly like you do, and I so hope he chooses us over Dortmund or Liverpool. I mean, IIRC, in the last couple of matches Cesc and Kante have started, we've seen Luiz come up and try and win those goal-kicks in midfield.. So that may be some form of a solution to the problem in regards to the lack of height a Dahoud-Kante pairing might bring. 

All the #6's/#8's that could compliment Kante so well will be hard to attain: Verrati, Dahoud, Koke, Nainngolan,

We'll find out soon enough if our hunt for one will be over. 

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1 hour ago, BoyBlue96 said:

Off to Borussia Dortmund in the summer:

 

For 8.5 Million. How is that even possible? Nice to be Dortmund and even better to be Bayern in a league that just gives you their best players.

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For 8.5 Million. How is that even possible? Nice to be Dortmund and even better to be Bayern in a league that just gives you their best players.


Rumoured to be just over £10m because he was in his final year.
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For all the supposed talent in that Dortmund team they're still 16 points off of Bayern in the table. Their talent must be really overrated. 

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6 hours ago, BoyBlue96 said:

Off to Borussia Dortmund in the summer:

 

Prefer Weigl anyway but I'm not up on the latest about what his situation might be come summer. Do I remember that there was a story about a move to Bayern? Maybe this deal, if it comes off, can only increase the likelihood that Weigl will move.

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For all the supposed talent in that Dortmund team they're still 16 points off of Bayern in the table. Their talent must be really overrated. 


Consistency. That's normally a major issue with young players.
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