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[Dion 2,476]

And I won't even begin to adress this issue:

[Rmpr 8,977]

What I mean is that there are only 28% students from public schools in your public university. It means 72% are from private schools. But if you consider all school students, about 10% of them are in private schools. Don't you find it weird that it comes from 10% at high school level and become 72% in university? Do you really think that it all can be resumed to merit? Do you think those private school students are more intelligent than the public school ones?

No, they are not. That's some warped meritocracy. It's like saying to 2 people, you'll race and the first to cross the finish line is allowed to join the university, then one goes by car and the other goes running. Most probably the one in the car is gonna win, but that doesn't mean he has more merit than the loser, it only means he had better support. And that's what this is about, quotas come to balance the poor public education we have in basic education, that's it.

And I'm assuming USP has already taken some quotas or other measures to help the public school students, so the number should be even lower. And actually, I don't think it matters if it is an assured place for public schools only or and additional in your grades. You just have to tune it accordingly, the latter can be even more devastating than the former. Just look at what happened in ENEM to join UFF.

Again the intelligent stupid argument? This has nothing to do with intelligence, it has nothing to do with being smarter. It is about not being able to follow what you will learn. If you will teach how to multiply for two kids, but one did not learn how to add. Do you think they will both learn? NOOOOOOOO! What will happen is that the student will either drop university and then the whole point goes downhill or he will try until he fails and get some serious psycological problems.

You are looking at things from a completely wrong perspective. People arent against quotas because they dont want to balance things and want USP to be dominated by rich boys with Porsche's as their 18yo gift. They are against it because it is the worse way of doing it. (I can explain why, but it would be absurdly long and I dont think you want to discuss it).

We cant put a bunch of people, that already suffer a lot, in top Universities just to cause a good impact on international statistics and expect them to thrive and be happy. It must be a careful and gradative process...

You are being really naive to think the "vestibular" is the main poblem here.

EDIT: Anyways, if you want to contiune with it, just reply on that PM of ours!

[Rmpr 8,977]

And I won't even begin to adress this issue:

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@Liquidator, this is exactly how I feel about the application process in Brazil. Totally one dimensional...

[Dion 2,476]

Again the intelligent stupid argument? This has nothing to do with intelligence, it has nothing to do with being smarter. It is about not being able to follow what you will learn. If you will teach how to multiply for two kids, but one did not learn how to add. Do you think they will both learn? NOOOOOOOO! What will happen is that the student will either drop university and then the whole point goes downhill or he will try until he fails and get some serious psycological problems.

You are looking at things from a completely wrong perspective. People arent against quotas because they dont want to balance things and want USP to be dominated by rich boys with Porsche's as their 18yo gift. They are against it because it is the worse way of doing it. (I can explain why, but it would be absurdly long and I dont think you want to discuss it).

We cant put a bunch of people, that already suffer a lot, in top Universities just to cause a good impact on international statistics and expect them to thrive and be happy. It must be a careful and gradative process...

You are being really naive to think the "vestibular" is the main poblem here.

EDIT: Anyways, if you want to contiune with it, just reply on that PM of ours!

There are studies showing most students can keep up with the classes. It is harder in engineering, though, because there are some concepts you must have learnt to progress. But even in those cases it is reversible, they only need to be oriented and visit some library to catch up. In most cases the difference isn't as big as this. That's clear when you look at the grades, just compare, for exemple, ENEM grades between quotas and non-quotas, the difference isn't as big as one would think. The gap becomes bigger only in courses "no one" wanna take. In Engineering, Law and Medicine the grades are all close.

Yeah, it's gonna be a bit harder for them, but totally doable. Quitting argument is false also. It is more common for the rich boys to quit. I have "quitted" (interrupted) for a year, for example, just because I didn't feel like doing it. I was really depressed that year.

In fact, it is quite the opposite, most people who came from public schools I knew were more motivated than the norm, because university is like the only shot they've got to make a good amount of money in their life.

And I admitedly said this is not the best way to do it. It should be an emergencial measure to help those students while they fix the real problem, the public schools.

[Spike 12,049]

Idiots are idiots and smart people are idiots.

There you arseholes, I just solved your dilemma.

[Dion 2,476]

Idiots are idiots and smart people are idiots.

There you arseholes, I just solved your dilemma.

I too think everyone is idiot, but I need some more data to prove my theory

[Spike 12,049]

I too think everyone is idiot, but I need some more data to prove my theory

your a idit lol lrn 2 fit m8 or get wrekt

[Dion 2,476]

your a idit lol lrn 2 fit m8 or get wrekt

Sorry, I don't speak douche.

[Spike 12,049]

Sorry, I don't speak douche.

u wot m8

[Dion 2,476]

u wot m8

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[Spike 12,049]

HAHAHAHA

ill wrek u m8

[Stingray 9,441]

Wtf .....

[Spike 12,049]

@Rmpr, I've been speaking to a couple of my mates about BRASIL 2014. One said he is keen to come, but I'm not sure about him. I'm almost positive he was stoned on marijuana when I told him. Another said he would love to but he has an major phobia of flying, so no dice. I've a few other mates, that I'll tell about though. Gotta get dis shit sorted, yo.

Saving cash will be hard, but I'll just have to get off me arse and get a part time job. Can't play in Brasil without working in Australia.

[Hamilton 2,120]

So what are you still doing over here then?

[Spike 12,049]

So what are you still doing over here then?

becuz teh world kup iz in 2014. dur.