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Vesper · September 12, 2020

11 hours ago, Unionjack said:

Vesper, Ive been having this conversation with a couple of mates for awhile now. We are trying to wonder just what the next music fashion will be,

Thru time youth cultures have joined up a music style with its own fashion and its own drugs. Its all gone great while it was kept underground until the media,mainstream and bread heads got hold of it and turned it magnolia.

I just cant think whet the next new one will be or where it will come from.

super long subject and I wil post some thought in depth later, but this is an area of intense interest to me too

I have already noticed a real breakage point with people born after 1996 (with a few exceptions)

I am was born at the end of the first first (Dec 1992) of a micro gen called the Zennials or Zillennials

some arguments over the boundaries, but I place it at 1992-1998, it is the transition from Millennials to Gen Z

I know a tonne of 18 to 22yos (from my uni) and they have had social media play a huge part in almost all (if not all) of their remotely interactive lives.

It really does change the way you look at the world, and thus how you approach or create art, fashion, and music aesthetics, even politics.

At 27, even I cannot fathom a non internet based world, but for the most part, until I was already 11,12,13, 14 social media was not the force it is now.

Hell in 2007 or 2008 it was not close to what it is now.

some key dates in social media (it all really kicked off in 2003, 2004) These came about because of the technological advancements collectively called Web 2.0 (in 1999 the term Web 2.0 was coined by Darcy DiNucci. See the article here http://darcyd.com/fragmented_future.pdf )

Facebook launched in February 2004 (it was called TheFacebook back then, until late 2005 when it went to just Facebook, and opened up to all people, not just uni students, on September 26, 2006.)

Twitter (the very first Tweet ever was March 21, 2006, and Twitter was publicly launched July 15, 2006)

YouTube (launched April 23, 2005)

Whatsapp (first released January 2009, the main 2.0 version was launched in August, 2009)

reddit (launched late June, 2005)

Instagram (launched July 16, 2010),

Pinterest (launched March 15th, 2010)

Snapchat (launched as Picaboo on July 8, 2011, rebranded as Snapchat in September 2011)

Flickr (launched February 10, 2004)

XING (launched August 2003)

Tumblr (launched February 1st, 2007)

LinkedIn (launched May 5, 2003)

Skype (initial release 29 August 2003)

Viber (launched December 2, 2010)

Dischord (launched May 13, 2015)

WeChat (launched January 21, 2011)

TikTok (launched in China in September 2016, globally September 2017)

Google+ (launched July 2011)

Telegram (launched 14 August 2013)

Gab (launched on August 15, 2016)

Messenger, aka the old Facebook Chat, which was gradually released to users in April 2008. Facebook revamped its messaging platform in November 2010 and subsequently acquired group messaging service Beluga in March 2011, which the company used to launch its standalone mobile apps on August 9, 2011)

Friendster, (arguably the first one, in a modern sense, it launched in March 2003, was the first Web 2.0 social media service to 1 million users)

hi5 (launched in June 2003)

MySpace (launched in August 2003)

Vine (closed, grrr, I loved it) Initial release: January 24, 2013, shut down January 17, 2017 (3 days before Trump was sworn in as US president)

I am not counting earlier Web 1.0 sites like SixDegrees (launched May 1, 1997, closed Jan 1, 2001, lol, the typical dotcom mania story, the founder Andrew Weinreich, sold it in December 1999 for 125m USD, and 12 months later or so, it was out of business) and Makeoutclub (launched August 1st, 1999, permanently closed January 1, 2017) GeoCities (launched November 1994) Classmates (launched in December 1995) and SixDegrees in May 1997. SixDegrees is "widely considered to be the very first social networking site", as it included "profiles, friends lists and school affiliations" that could be used by registered users.. Open Diary was launched in October 1998; LiveJournal (launched in April 1999; and finally Ryze (launched for business users in October 2001) btw, as they lacked key elements of the 2.0 sites/networks when they launched (for example SixDegrees had to have uses scan in their profile pics).

Side note: My 7th birthday party in December 1999 turned into a huge fight between my father, my mum, and several of my friends' parents (all involved were bankers) over the dotcom bubble, lolol. Fucking two of them left with my friends before the cake was even served. That (and the subject, and the consequent crash that proved my parents correct when they said the dotcom boosters were going to lose their arse in the next 4 to 6 months,) had a big influence on me in my life. It still is the stuff of legend in my family, roflmaooooooooo, They call it the dotcom crash b-day party. (my parents eventually made up with the ones who left, but it took years)

Unionjack · September 12, 2020

Yes mate. Get all that. Podcasts,blogs etc has made it possible for talentless people to become rich and famous. And as I told you Youtube podcasts kept my head straight as well as taught me such a lot lately.

But I dont see any physical communication,congregating,new music or fashions happening. Its all about me me me.

Vesper · September 12, 2020

PROJECT GELÄNDEWAGEN IS A COLLABORATIVE PROJECT, TO CREATE A UNIQUE DESIGN PIECE FROM AN ICONIC CAR MODEL: THE MERCEDES-BENZ G-CLASS.

The project sees Virgil Abloh work with Mercedes-Benz Chief Design Officer, Gorden Wagener - the two creatives each known as leaders in their respective fields. This marks the unification of two worlds: fashion and art with automotive. The objective is to push the boundaries of each respective creative realm and reimagine the
luxury landscape.

https://www.mercedes-benz.com/en/events/mercedes-benz-x-virgil-abloh.html

PROJECT GELÄNDEWAGEN: VIRGIL ABLOH TAKES ON A MERCEDES-BENZ CLASSIC

A true master of the art of creative collaboration, esteemed artistic director of Louis Vuitton menswear and Off-White founder Virgil Abloh has unveiled what might be his most impressive partnership yet. Teaming up with Mercedes-Benz, he has produced Project Geländewagen, a one-off creation that's arguably more of an artwork than an automobile.

https://www.opumo.com/magazine/virgil-abloh-mercedes-benz/

Abloh worked with Mercedes-Benz Chief Design Officer Gorden Wagener to reimagine the iconic G-Class SUV as a streamlined racing car, stripping it back and removing indicators, outside mirrors and bumper bars, as well as giving it a hand-sanded paint job. The interior has also had a full revamp. In true racing style, it's been fitted with a racing steering wheel and bucket seats, while the digital dashboard has been replaced by an analogue speedometer and fuel gauges, the likes of which are typical of classic cars. Whether you love or hate the new model, there's no denying that it's an impressive makeover. But we would expect nothing less from a Virgil Abloh-designed G-Class.

Vesper · September 12, 2020

rawwwr

Magda Butrym

Black belted wool blazer dress with open back

https://www.antonioli.eu/en/SE/women/products/1087208007-black

Unionjack · September 12, 2020

Saw this the other day. Someone on one on Joe Rogans Podcasts had one. Had the matching LV Jordans on.

Vesper · September 12, 2020

37 minutes ago, Unionjack said:

Yes mate. Get all that. Podcasts,blogs etc has made it possible for talentless people to become rich and famous. And as I told you Youtube podcasts kept my head straight as well as taught me such a lot lately.

But I dont see any physical communication,congregating,new music or fashions happening. Its all about me me me.

loads of new music and fashion

just have to look, lolol

Unionjack · September 12, 2020

1 minute ago, Vesper said:

loads of new music and fashion

just have to look, lolol

But thats not new. Just a techno/trance. Can only get into this at raves.

I mean the whole thing together. Music/clothes/drugs.

Vesper · September 12, 2020

15 minutes ago, Unionjack said:

Saw this the other day. Someone on one on Joe Rogans Podcasts had one. Had the matching LV Jordans on.

Nike SB Dunk Low 'Quarter Pounder'

Air Jordan 5 'Fries'

Vesper · September 12, 2020

6 minutes ago, Unionjack said:

But thats not new. Just a techno/trance. Can only get into this at raves.

I mean the whole thing together. Music/clothes/drugs.

its still new music

and I could drop 100 stores for clothes on you

insane shit

later on I can post new music

in terms of genre, well, that is always changing, but you will have base styles normally even if you get into world beatz from African and and SE Asia or from the Middle East, etc

you also can dig deep and go back on retrospectives of micro genres that cam and went

Unionjack · September 12, 2020

4 hours ago, Vesper said:

Nike SB Dunk Low 'Quarter Pounder'

Air Jordan 5 'Fries'

Ive only ever had 1 pair of Nikes and that was in mid 70s. But my feet are so big that they make them look even bigger lol I only wear adidas and DC now.

4 hours ago, Vesper said:

its still new music

and I could drop 100 stores for clothes on you

insane shit

later on I can post new music

in terms of genre, well, that is always changing, but you will have base styles normally even if you get into world beatz from African and and SE Asia or from the Middle East, etc

you also can dig deep and go back on retrospectives of micro genres that cam and went

But these are not youth cultures how I described.

None of the ones I said could have survived without the frig that was associated to it.The only real one I can think that didnt rely on something was the New Romantics and Punk to an extent.Tho there were still many of those high as kites on summet or other the scene would have carried on without.

Its not just about a new clothes fashion or new type of music. Its the people adopting all 3 together and making it their own..

Vesper · September 12, 2020

Toots Hibbert is dead from Covid 19

Unionjack · September 12, 2020

8 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Toots Hibbert is dead from Covid 19

Sadness. Gonna get worse too.

Vesper · September 14, 2020

I Became a Drug Dealer During Lockdown to Support My Family

"My buyers spend about £100 each per month on average. So I made about £1,500 a month profit tax-free."

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/g5p99b/i-became-a-drug-dealer-during-lockdown-to-support-my-family?ref=thefuturist

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Mandy is 35-year-old single mum and freelance graphic designer from London. When the lockdown was announced in March, her work started drying up and she needed a way to earn money to support herself and her two daughters. She decided to set up a hash and cannabis edibles delivery business: the “National Hashish Service” (NHS).

Hey, you around?
Mandy: Yes, hi.

You’re a graphic designer. How come you started selling cannabis?
In March, when no one knew what lockdown meant, or if the borders would close, I ended up buying some high quality hash in bulk from a friend, using a good chunk of my savings. It was a bit impulsive, but I thought it would be a good investment, especially because I smoke it.

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Unionjack · September 15, 2020

14 hours ago, Vesper said:

I Became a Drug Dealer During Lockdown to Support My Family

"My buyers spend about £100 each per month on average. So I made about £1,500 a month profit tax-free."

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/g5p99b/i-became-a-drug-dealer-during-lockdown-to-support-my-family?ref=thefuturist

Mandy is 35-year-old single mum and freelance graphic designer from London. When the lockdown was announced in March, her work started drying up and she needed a way to earn money to support herself and her two daughters. She decided to set up a hash and cannabis edibles delivery business: the “National Hashish Service” (NHS).

Hey, you around?
Mandy: Yes, hi.

You’re a graphic designer. How come you started selling cannabis?
In March, when no one knew what lockdown meant, or if the borders would close, I ended up buying some high quality hash in bulk from a friend, using a good chunk of my savings. It was a bit impulsive, but I thought it would be a good investment, especially because I smoke it.

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MANY have. I know a few honest law abiding normal couples that have got into the edibles market over the past few month and are doing very nicely.

We are so slow and backward here in UK. Legalize cannabis. The septic Govt are raking in $m thru it in taxes with more and more states decriminalizing and allowing medicinal use. Their prisons are emptying many from possession. And such a lot of work has gone into the medical side of it. Theres alot of work going on with MDMA so I see that too decrimializing.

Let the public carry x amount of G's and grow 5 plants for personal. Need to get the UK upto date.

NikkiCFC · September 15, 2020

4 minutes ago, Unionjack said:

MANY have. I know a few honest law abiding normal couples that have got into the edibles market over the past few month and are doing very nicely.

We are so slow and backward here in UK. Legalize cannabis. The septic Govt are raking in $m thru it in taxes with more and more states decriminalizing and allowing medicinal use. Their prisons are emptying many from possession. And such a lot of work has gone into the medical side of it. Theres alot of work going on with MDMA so I see that too decrimializing.

Let the public carry x amount of G's and grow 5 plants for personal. Need to get the UK upto date.

Add Ketamine on decriminalization list