TheHulk 2,457 Posted July 16, 2024 Share Posted July 16, 2024 4 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said: Irrespective of how you feel, it is practically 99.9% indefensible. He is live streaming it himself. Clearly singing the words. Live to millions - including his French/African teammates at club level. He won’t be only one who gets in trouble but he will be one of them for sure. How you can think it is acceptable in this day and age says a lot more about you than it does about anyone else. Backwards mentality. I don't think it's acceptable but don't think he should be terminated for it either. You think that whole bus was all filled with racists when they sung it? They are happy they won, we're euphoric, probably drunk and singing to a popular Argentinian song. Make video apologize to teammates, take fine and move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
generaldane 64 Posted July 16, 2024 Share Posted July 16, 2024 I don't post here much, but I frankly don't give a fuck if he cost 100m or not I say get him the fuck out, if not for his blatant racism for his absolute stupidity in videoing it, if I were any of his teammates I'd never be able to look on him the same way again regardless of whatever apology he may be forced into, so in short fuck him. Aticus77 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZAPHOD2319 4,819 Posted July 16, 2024 Author Share Posted July 16, 2024 I am Native American. I love my tribe mates and being a part of my tribe has been a lifelong endeavor. Especially the older members are racist af about whites. They feel they have been wronged for hundreds of years by white people. If you really know them, they know they are being racist af toward people that should not bear the brunt of their anger. Most whites had nothing to do with it. It does not stop them. It is so engrained in the culture that I had to make sure my children were exposed to all our traditions, culture, and language, but also made them aware that this part of tribal life is unacceptable. Enzo is a young man, he can learn from this. I just hope he didn't burn bridges with his team mates, because he is not really so young that he should know better. Aticus77 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireBlue 3,277 Posted July 16, 2024 Share Posted July 16, 2024 4 minutes ago, TheHulk said: I don't think it's acceptable but don't think he should be terminated for it either. You think that whole bus was all filled with racists when they sung it? They are happy they won, we're euphoric, probably drunk and singing to a popular Argentinian song. Make video apologize to teammates, take fine and move on. If this was mudryk would you have the same opinion? Or chilwell? Gallagher? I no for a fact you wouldn't, you a massive Enzo fan that much is clear, but if you wouldn't accept this from the players above just because it's Enzo makes it no better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikkiCFC 8,324 Posted July 16, 2024 Share Posted July 16, 2024 Any lawyers here? Does this have legs on court? Because apparently French federation wants to take it there. What if they defend with: we were celebrating diversity, we like them for their origin, it's factual song, we don't know why they are offended? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Mikel OBE 4,920 Posted July 16, 2024 Share Posted July 16, 2024 Lavia isnt french but he's also unfollowed Enzo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireBlue 3,277 Posted July 16, 2024 Share Posted July 16, 2024 Just now, Sir Mikel OBE said: Lavia isnt french but he's also unfollowed Enzo. I'd say what, 70% of our first 11 are black? Not enzos smartest move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHulk 2,457 Posted July 16, 2024 Share Posted July 16, 2024 8 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said: If this was mudryk would you have the same opinion? Or chilwell? Gallagher? I no for a fact you wouldn't, you a massive Enzo fan that much is clear, but if you wouldn't accept this from the players above just because it's Enzo makes it no better. I'm biased yes but I wouldn't agree with any of our players being terminated and losing an asset over this. Yes it's dumb what he did but we also have to take in context everything. You can't fucking tell me that whole bus was filled with low iq racists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Mikel OBE 4,920 Posted July 16, 2024 Share Posted July 16, 2024 4 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said: I'd say what, 70% of our first 11 are black? Not enzos smartest move. He's an idiot, and seeing argentines on Gusto's IG racially abusing him for just unfollowing Enzo means that he can really fuck off if we get the right price for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireBlue 3,277 Posted July 16, 2024 Share Posted July 16, 2024 1 minute ago, TheHulk said: I'm biased yes but I wouldn't agree with any of our players being terminated and losing an asset over this. Yes it's dumb what he did but we also have to take in context everything. You can't fucking tell me that whole bus was filled with low iq racists. Maybe non of them are racists, but when you are on video singing a racist song you have no leg to stand on... He can say he was singing it because everyone else were, but what's his excuse for recording it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireBlue 3,277 Posted July 16, 2024 Share Posted July 16, 2024 1 minute ago, Sir Mikel OBE said: He's an idiot, and seeing argentines on Gusto's IG racially abusing him for just unfollowing Enzo means that he can really fuck off if we get the right price for him. This feels like a big fuck you for not letting him go to the Olympics tbh. Sir Mikel OBE 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Mikel OBE 4,920 Posted July 16, 2024 Share Posted July 16, 2024 4 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said: This feels like a big fuck you for not letting him go to the Olympics tbh. It kinda does.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHulk 2,457 Posted July 16, 2024 Share Posted July 16, 2024 4 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said: Maybe non of them are racists, but when you are on video singing a racist song you have no leg to stand on... He can say he was singing it because everyone else were, but what's his excuse for recording it. He wanted to stream team celebrating and lost his mind when to stop. Again bad and pretty dumb but shouldn't be cancelled for this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFKvsNixon 54 Posted July 16, 2024 Share Posted July 16, 2024 The club has to manage this appropriately, or it will tear apart any chance of a cohesive squad and ruin our season before it's started. I'm not sure that there's a path where the black players feel justice has been served and Enzo is part of the preseason squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Mikel OBE 4,920 Posted July 16, 2024 Share Posted July 16, 2024 1 minute ago, JFKvsNixon said: The club has to manage this appropriately, or it will tear apart any chance of a cohesive squad and ruin our season before it's started. I'm not sure that there's a path where the black players feel justice has been served and Enzo is part of the preseason squad. Will he be part of the preseason anyways? The Copa America just ended. Is he even due back before August? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
generaldane 64 Posted July 16, 2024 Share Posted July 16, 2024 13 minutes ago, TheHulk said: I'm biased yes but I wouldn't agree with any of our players being terminated and losing an asset over this. Yes it's dumb what he did but we also have to take in context everything. You can't fucking tell me that whole bus was filled with low iq racists. I have a friend teaching English in Argentina and base on what he have told me I am more incline to believe this than most Sir Mikel OBE 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireBlue 3,277 Posted July 16, 2024 Share Posted July 16, 2024 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Sir Mikel OBE said: Will he be part of the preseason anyways? The Copa America just ended. Is he even due back before August? If he has anything about him, he will be at Cobham tomorrow with his head in his hands and tail between his legs begging for forgiveness. Edited July 16, 2024 by YorkshireBlue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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NikkiCFC 8,324 Posted July 16, 2024 Share Posted July 16, 2024 20 minutes ago, Sir Mikel OBE said: Lavia isnt french but he's also unfollowed Enzo. Did Akanji, Doku and Ake unfollowed Alvarez? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arlen Correa 161 Posted July 16, 2024 Share Posted July 16, 2024 (edited) Knowing the argentinians very well, they're our neighbours, i wouldn't say the population is racist, many of them are, like any country. Their football environment is another history. In the case of some of their players, fans and journalists, something happen that is very hard to explain to europeans. Many times they will say or do things that are obvioulsly racist to us, but they apparently are not aware of how serious things are. And is not like if the person is really racist on his/her normal life. For example, when they talk about races and nationalities, they dont see it as a big deal. In general they will insult everybody, from germans to africans. Is not because some specific race. Edited July 16, 2024 by Arlen Correa Aticus77 and TheHulk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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