🇸🇳 Kalidou Koulibaly

[Unionjack 7,531]

13 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

They will want close to 100m still. Is he realy worth that cash considering his age?

I would honestly go with Skriniar for similar sort of money who could be our pillar for next 8 years or so.

Koulibaly is great, but anything above 60m on defenders is a joke unless they are already great and young. Defences are built on team chemistry and defenders playing together for couple seasons. 

Attackers are other thing because they can offer individual qualities that change the game in a second.

But just imagine him and Rudi together eh!

[Vesper 30,185]

59 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

They will want close to 100m still. Is he realy worth that cash considering his age?

I would honestly go with Skriniar for similar sort of money who could be our pillar for next 8 years or so.

Koulibaly is great, but anything above 60m on defenders is a joke unless they are already great and young. Defences are built on team chemistry and defenders playing together for couple seasons. 

Attackers are other thing because they can offer individual qualities that change the game in a second.

they want 150m euros

£135m

they just turned down £95m plus add-ons from Manure

that's madness for CB who you will only get 2 sub 30yo seasons out of

[Unionjack 7,531]

1 hour ago, Vesper said:

they want 150m euros

£135m

they just turned down £95m plus add-ons from Manure

that's madness for CB who you will only get 2 sub 30yo seasons out of

Yeah I know gal but I'd rather they spunk our money on class than deadwood eh!

[Vesper 30,185]

18 minutes ago, Unionjack said:

Yeah I know gal but I'd rather they spunk our money on class than deadwood eh!

There is no CB I would pay £135m. Maybe, maybe de Ligt, if I had a crystal ball and knew he would be a 10 to 12 year starter for us.

I rate de Ligt at worth £100 to £110m atm due to his age gives a shot at up to 11 to 12 years peak starter. Maybe £120m at absolute cray cray money max. If KK was 21, 22, 23 and at his level now then, then the same. Maybe 125m.

I guess at £125 mil, 10 more does not matter!

I rate Icardi at £125-35m now, but his release clause is still only £98m!

Sure he is worth £37m more than De ligt. For £135m we coukd have had both Icardi AND Thilo Kehrer this last summer. And had £4m left over to send Drinkwater into space.

I also think Barca get both de Ligt AND de Jong for only140 to 150m.

 

[Unionjack 7,531]

13 minutes ago, Vesper said:

There is no CB I would pay £135m. Maybe, maybe de Ligt, if I had a crystal ball and knew he would be a 10 to 12 year starter for us.

I rate de Ligt at worth £100 to £110m atm due to his age gives a shot at up to 11 to 12 years peak starter. Maybe £120m at absolute cray cray money max. If KK was 21, 22, 23 and at his level now then, then the same. Maybe 125m.

I guess at £125 mil, 10 more does not matter!

I rate Icardi at £125-35m now, but his release clause is still only £98m!

Sure he is worth £37m more than De ligt. For £135m we coukd have had both Icardi AND Thilo Kehrer this last summer. And had £4m left over to send Drinkwater into space.

I also think Barca get both de Ligt AND de Jong for only140 to 150m.

 

But players kinda beg to goto Barca. We have to pay thru the nose.

I know KK would be bloody dear but I'm just saying if we are going to waste money - get someone good for 4 or 5 years

[Vesper 30,185]

Kalidou Koulibaly given two-match ban despite being subjected to racist monkey chants 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/12/27/carlo-ancelotti-says-inter-milan-napoli-should-have-stopped/?li_source=LI&li_medium=li-recommendation-widget

The Italian football federation [FIGC] have ignored criticism and upheld a two-match ban for Napoli defender Kalidou Koulibaly for a red card in the game against Milan on Wednesday when he was subjected to racist monkey chants from the Inter fans.

The Senegal international’s treatment at the hands of the Inter fans has drawn worldwide condemnation, including from Napoli manager Carlo Ancelotti and Serie A’s biggest star Cristiano Ronaldo, now at Juventus. Nevertheless the FIGC has insisted on Koulibaly serving the two-match ban for a second yellow card given for sarcastically applauding the referee Paolo Mazzoleni when he was originally booked in the 80th minute of the game.

The FIGC has also ruled that Inter must play two home games behind closed doors, and a third with a partial closure of San Siro. During the match itself, Ancelotti had asked for the game to be halted until the abuse stopped, but was refused. He said that his team would walk off the next time one of their players were racially abused.

Ancelotti said: “It [the racial abuse] shook him [Koulibaly]. He's a good-mannered player and he was bombarded by the stadium. Despite our requests and the chanting, the game wasn't suspended. I think it should have been. Next time we'll stop playing ourselves.

“It was impossible for him to be calm. He cares a lot about the issue of racism and he commits a lot of time to the matter, including in society. What happened is unacceptable, not just for us but for Italian football as a whole.” 

snip

[Unionjack 7,531]

I cant see him coming no matter how much I'd love it not with the problem the media says we have/

[Vesper 30,185]

1 minute ago, Unionjack said:

I cant see him coming no matter how much I'd love it not with the problem the media says we have/

Only clubs I would see him leaving for are the same old giants

Real

Barca

Manure (IF they have CL footie)

Maybe PSG (but they are in deep shit with FFP)

Maybe Shitty

Unless we get 4th or higher or win EL, I see zero chance he comes here, especially if we lose Eden and dont do massive business (besides KK) to fix the club

Thank dog Levy is such a cheap cunt with Spuds, imagine KK on Poch's back 4 next year

Toss KK, José Gayà or Alex Telles, and Tanguy Ndombele onto that team, plus a decent backup striker, they are at near CL winning level

[Muzchap 8,966]

Swerve - at the figures quoted it's a waste. 

We need younger players - by the time he settles into the Prem, he will be the wrong side of 30 and then it's downhill from there.

That money needs to be spent on a striker

[Vesper 30,185]

2 hours ago, Muzchap said:

Swerve - at the figures quoted it's a waste. 

We need younger players - by the time he settles into the Prem, he will be the wrong side of 30 and then it's downhill from there.

That money needs to be spent on a striker

He is 27 now (turns 28 in between seasons, next summer) and he is arguably the best CB in the world with Varane down a bit in form for some bizarre reason (I supposed you could make a case for van Dijk and a healthy Umtiti as well, plus in a couple years, van Ligt). It would take him but a few games to get up to speed in the EPL. He certainly would have 3 full seasons of EPL play where he was not over 30.

That said, the amount of money the Poison Dwarf would ask for him is indeed insane.

This coming summer is the last year, IMHO, that KK will be able to command anywhere near an even reduced amount (from that ludicrous £135m price tag) of say £80 to £90m, as a team would still get 2 years of under 30yo play, then 2 more at 30 and then 31, after which he will decline for sure. Maybe his 32yo season would still be sort of near peak.

If he was magically put on our squad or Manure or Arsenal or Spurs in January, he alone would be an inflection point in the race for 3rd and 4th, especially the first 3 teams (us, Manure, Arse).

It isn't going to happen here, our time to grab him has came and went over the last 3 years.

[Unionjack 7,531]

On 12/31/2018 at 1:52 PM, Vesper said:

He is 27 now (turns 28 in between seasons, next summer) and he is arguably the best CB in the world with Varane down a bit in form for some bizarre reason (I supposed you could make a case for van Dijk and a healthy Umtiti as well, plus in a couple years, van Ligt). It would take him but a few games to get up to speed in the EPL. He certainly would have 3 full seasons of EPL play where he was not over 30.

That said, the amount of money the Poison Dwarf would ask for him is indeed insane.

This coming summer is the last year, IMHO, that KK will be able to command anywhere near an even reduced amount (from that ludicrous £135m price tag) of say £80 to £90m, as a team would still get 2 years of under 30yo play, then 2 more at 30 and then 31, after which he will decline for sure. Maybe his 32yo season would still be sort of near peak.

If he was magically put on our squad or Manure or Arsenal or Spurs in January, he alone would be an inflection point in the race for 3rd and 4th, especially the first 3 teams (us, Manure, Arse).

It isn't going to happen here, our time to grab him has came and went over the last 3 years.

Age doesn't seem to matter to RM it seems as they want him.

 

European paper talk: Real Madrid to rival Manchester United for Kalidou Koulibaly

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11603582/european-paper-talk-real-madrid-to-rival-manchester-united-for-kalidou-koulibaly

[Vesper 30,185]

1 minute ago, Unionjack said:

Age doesn't seem to matter to RM it seems as they want him.

 

European paper talk: Real Madrid to rival Manchester United for Kalidou Koulibaly

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11603582/european-paper-talk-real-madrid-to-rival-manchester-united-for-kalidou-koulibaly

This coming summer is his last true huge cash-cost go-round, IMHO.

28,29,30,31yo and sell

is doable

29,30,31,32 and sell is already decreased

and 

30,31,32,33 and sell

is a fail

[kc_blue 265]

Don't want to see him in Manchester, red or blue.

[Superblue 6,372]

5 minutes ago, Vesper said:

This coming summer is his last true huge cash-cost go-round, IMHO.

28,29,30,31yo and sell

is doable

29,30,31,32 and sell is already decreased

and 

30,31,32,33 and sell

is a fail

I must admit I hate the idea that the ability to re-sell in a few years time is a big reason to go and buy a player. I can understand what you're saying and the thought process that if a player flopped he'd probably be easier to move on and hopefully still get a reasonable fee back. It's an added bonus if it ever happened in the future but a transfer in my opinion should never be viewed in that way.

If a club views a player is worth said amount of money regardless of age, ability to re-sell, etc then that should be enough. I can't see Ronaldo going for very much after his Juventus move, if anything at all. But if he helps Juventus win more trophies over the next couple of seasons and in particular plays a big part in them managing to conquer Europe then his purchase will be worth it.

Two players in the same situation spring to mind when it comes to Chelsea. Zola joined at the age of 30 for what was a big outlay at the time. I can safely say being at Wembley in 97 to win the FA Cup was worth every penny of his transfer fee. The other is Makelele who was over 30 and signed for big money in what was considered an 'unfancied' position of the pitch and he was key in the initial trophy laden Mourinho era. Again well worth the outlay.

 

[Unionjack 7,531]

3 minutes ago, kc_blue said:

Don't want to see him in Manchester, red or blue.

Tell me about it mate! Was a long time dream of mine to bring him and Varane

[Vesper 30,185]

1 minute ago, Superblue_1986 said:

I must admit I hate the idea that the ability to re-sell in a few years time is a big reason to go and buy a player. I can understand what you're saying and the thought process that if a player flopped he'd probably be easier to move on and hopefully still get a reasonable fee back. It's an added bonus if it ever happened in the future but a transfer in my opinion should never be viewed in that way.

If a club views a player is worth said amount of money regardless of age, ability to re-sell, etc then that should be enough. I can't see Ronaldo going for very much after his Juventus move, if anything at all. But if he helps Juventus win more trophies over the next couple of seasons and in particular plays a big part in them managing to conquer Europe then his purchase will be worth it.

Two players in the same situation spring to mind when it comes to Chelsea. Zola joined at the age of 30 for what was a big outlay at the time. I can safely say being at Wembley in 97 to win the FA Cup was worth every penny of his transfer fee. The other is Makelele who was over 30 and signed for big money in what was considered an 'unfancied' position of the pitch and he was key in the initial trophy laden Mourinho era. Again well worth the outlay.

 

I didnt so much mean resale, I apoligise if it looked like that

I was focusing on a 4 year run vis-a-vis age

KK maybe be the exception, but most backs go to shit after they turn older than 30 or 31

obviously there are exception, but look at so many huge names who are on pure downward slide now that they are 31 or older

Ramos and Pique and Marcelo are perfect examples

Hummels and Boateng's massive decline happened before they even turned 30

[kc_blue 265]

5 minutes ago, Unionjack said:

Tell me about it mate! Was a long time dream of mine to bring him and Varane

Yeah, I've wanted him here for a long time as well.

[Superblue 6,372]

1 minute ago, Vesper said:

I didnt so much mean resale, I apoligise if it looked like that

I was focusing on a 4 year run vis-a-vis age

KK maybe be the exception, but most backs go to shit after they turn older than 30 or 31

obviously there are exception, but look at so many huge names who are on pure downward slide now that they are 31 or older

Ramos and Pique and Marcelo are perfect examples

Hummels and Boateng's massive decline happened before they even turned 30

I understand. More just a general rant from me because I know a lot of people look at transfers that way and at times it seems our current board do too.

I would never want the club to piss money against a wall with no care in the world, but I think every player/deal should be viewed and treated in isolation rather than a blanket treatment.

The same goes for one year contracts once a player turns 30. Again, I wouldn't expect the club to start handing out 3 or 4 year contracts to a 31 year old but if a player is important and shown no signs of decline to that point then a two year contract or year with option for an extra year based on appearances should never be dismissed.

[lucio 5,418]

lost interest after he pretended to be 6ft 5 tbh

[Vesper 30,185]

Man Utd plan mega offer for 'devastated' Koulibaly
https://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/man-utd-plan-mega-offer-for-devastated-koulibaly-4264632

Manchester United are preparing a mega offer for Napoli defender Kalidou Koulibaly.

The Mirror says United will offer Koulibaly an escape route away from Italy's racists.

United have made the 27-year-old Senegal international a prime summer target after failing to land him before the start of the season. And they believe Koulibaly will this time attempt to force his departure from the Serie A club after being targeted by bigots.

The issue has left Koulibaly devastated – and a move away from Italy now appears to be the most likely outcome.

Napoli president Aurelio De Laurentiis has ruled out the player's departure during the January transfer market. He has claimed to have rejected a £95million bid from United in the summer – a declaration that has been denied at Old Trafford.

But while United sources insist their interest in Koulibaly never went beyond making an enquiry about a valuation, they have made signing the France-born defender a priority.

snip