Elliott 7 Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 But a 2 goal margin was clearly enough in this particular game. Who's to say Rooney and Cole would play the same game against a stronger team? Neither of them are naive, theyre both experienced players in Europe and internationally. I just don't think that knocking them down when they were a lot better than most of the players out there is the way to get the best out of them. That sort of approach clearly hasnt worked for Lampard as his deteriorating performances have showed. So you were happy with a 2-0 win over Andorra then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Cee 50 Posted September 10, 2008 Author Share Posted September 10, 2008 I totally don't get all this, what more do people want from Joe Cole? Are Chelsea really so brainwashed by the dull, boring, defensive shit we've endured so long that the minute a player breaks from that mould and tries to add a bit of creativity, he's knocked down? So he's not perfect every game, he wanders a bit, he does the odd step-over that doesnt come off, so what? The fact is, Joe Cole puts 110% into every game he plays whether for club or country. He's been asked questions by every manager he's ever had and his response has always been positive. As far as Im concerned, if Chelsea had more players like Cole, with the same level of grit and determination - not to mention committment - we'd be a lot more potent than we are right now. This quote should answer that: Not true. What Jose expected, and demanded of Joe was that he show some discipline - such as tackling back after he'd lost the ball, and showing some judgement in when to go for it, and when to pass to a team mate instead. That it wasn't all about tricks and flicks. And it made Joe a much, much better player - as is evidenced by his form and effect during Jose's second season (coincidentally, Joe's best in a Chelsea shirt). What Avram did, was to let Joe do what he liked, and forget about the discipline, and Joe's form and contribution to the team was poorer for it. He went back to being inconsistent - not good for the team, and not good for Joe. Forget the POTY voting - that was only a popularity vote, and no one's ever denied that Joe is popular (with good reason). Well it shouldn't because most of the time Joe skates by with little, if any, criticism directed at him, whereas players like Drogba and Lampard cop plenty if their form even drops below 'perfect'. And really, is anyone here 'jumping all over' Joe? Don't think so. I don't think that anyone questions Joe's commitment, or loyalty. And I'd imagine that most would acknowledge that yes, he is our most-talented forward (in terms of his creativity). He's also undeniably likable. What has been questioned about Joe is his consistency, and those (many) games where he indulges himself with mindless step-overs and tricks that lead to nothing - to the detriment of the team effort. There is an element of show-pony in Joe that needs to be harnessed for him to fulfill his potential. Mourinho managed to do it, but Grant failed. I hope that Scolari manages to put some of that back into Joe's game. Of course. Is anyone saying that they don't? And when it comes off, it's great. But equally there are a lot of times when it comes to nothing because Joe takes on one-too-many defenders, tries one-too-many step-overs, and/or fails to see a better-placed team mate - and the opportunity goes begging. Yes, he does. Wouldn't you like to see 'crucial' element of Joe's game deliver more end-product, more often? I would, but too often he flatters to deceive. It certainly would be - but who's doing that? You say also that Joe isn't above criticism, but judging from many of the responses here, it seems that many think that he should be. I think the criticism of Joe is mild by comparison to other Chelsea players, and yet some seem to believe that even that's tantamount to heresy. I can only guess that you must have missed them all....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulham Broadway 17,311 Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 Dont understand the sudden attack on Cole. What, should we be getting rid ? With the injuries and depleted squad, unless a player is absolute pony, they need support and encouragement. Yes he has the odd shit game , as do all the squad, but he is one of the most creative players at SW6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Cee 50 Posted September 10, 2008 Author Share Posted September 10, 2008 Dont understand the sudden attack on Cole. What, should we be getting rid ? With the injuries and depleted squad, unless a player is absolute pony, they need support and encouragement. Yes he has the odd shit game , as do all the squad, but he is one of the most creative players at SW6 This is very mild compared to the criticism Drogba and some others get so I wouldn't call it an attack. And it's constructive, unlike many of the slagging DD gets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulham Broadway 17,311 Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 This is very mild compared to the criticism Drogba and some others get so I wouldn't call it an attack. And it's constructive, unlike many of the slagging DD gets. Thats true B. Nothing wrong with a bit of incisive analysis. What I've noticed is that a player gets stick from a certain quarter, then it spreads like wildfire, and the next thing you have a medieaval horde with burning torches wanting to crucify some player without any individual thought.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Cee 50 Posted September 10, 2008 Author Share Posted September 10, 2008 Thats true B. Nothing wrong with a bit of incisive analysis. What I've noticed is that a player gets stick from a certain quarter, then it spreads like wildfire, and the next thing you have a medieaval horde with burning torches wanting to crucify some player without any individual thought.... Oh, well, hopefully it won't happen... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misschief 24 Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 So you were happy with a 2-0 win over Andorra then? Yeh, why not? We're not Brazil so it was never going to be a battering but it was a professional enough performance. Boring of course, but professional nonetheless. We werent in any danger of losing, didnt concede, scored a couple of goals, what else was there to do? England don't entertain, that's life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misschief 24 Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 This quote should answer that: Oh god theyre all far too analytical on there at times. Plenty of players have bad games, Id hardly be holding Cole up as an example right now. Picking up the top point though, was it Jose publicly slating him that improved his game really? Or was that just Cole's natural attitude anyway? Every manager he's ever had has dropped him, none of the others have chosen to publicly slate him and yet every season his response has been the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffyblue 0 Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 This is very mild compared to the criticism Drogba and some others get so I wouldn't call it an attack. And it's constructive, unlike many of the slagging DD gets. Joe Cole would have to be one of the first few players on the team sheet. Do you not think DD deserves it at times , what with his diving , whinging pony ways ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misschief 24 Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 Can't believe the gash on his head, poor sod finally gets a start then gets carried off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lampards Bitch Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 he has a MASSIVE cut with stiches on his head. Bet he dont play at Man City Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canadian_bluesfan4life 0 Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 Can't believe the gash on his head, poor sod finally gets a start then gets carried off. Yeah, I was so shocked when I saw it. Any ideas on how long he'd be out for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lampards Bitch Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 Yeah, I was so shocked when I saw it. Any ideas on how long he'd be out for? I dont think he is out................but it is a nasty gash so i wouldnt be surprised if he didnt play. He seemed fine when he came back from the medical room. Chattin away to JT on the bench. Though he might have a funny bandage on his head on saturday LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lampards Bitch Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 (edited) JT: Get up Coley you wuss! I got knocked out sparko and swallowed my tounge! nah I'm sure he didnt say that lol Edited September 10, 2008 by Lampards Bitch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Cee 50 Posted September 11, 2008 Author Share Posted September 11, 2008 (edited) Joe Cole would have to be one of the first few players on the team sheet. Do you not think DD deserves it at times , what with his diving , whinging pony ways ? Yes, NO player is above some constructive criticism. However, the mindless slagging and the booing DD got are unfair and people are acting a mild constructive criticism for Joe is an attack. Edited September 11, 2008 by .Biru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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