Radamel Falcao

[Sheva. 5,373]

  On 01/12/2012 at 23:40, themightyblue said:

Honestly, it really does get me when people just underrate Falcao's ability and just call him a finisher. NO. He's a lot more than that. Watch him closely and follow his games. Don't just base it on stats you see or the fact that he scores lots of goals. Guess the saying 'goals mask a players game' is true.......

How is that underrating? he's a great finisher, but not much else. I wouldn't call him a complete forward like i would someone like Ibrahimovic.

[Manuf 1,448]

well, how about the reason for Torres not performing lies in Torres himself?

I bet the trio of Mata, Hazard, Oscar would love to play the ball to the striker if they knew he wouldn't lose EVERY FUCKING BALL.

[themightyblue 443]

  On 01/12/2012 at 23:45, Sheva. said:

How is that underrating? he's a great finisher, but not much else. I wouldn't call him a complete forward like i would someone like Ibrahimovic.

That's my point though. If he was just a great finisher, he'd be rated at the same level as other great finishers like Huntelaar and Hernandez. There are a lot of great finishers in the world of football. I'm not trying to claim that Falcao has brilliant link up play or anything of the sort, but his skills extend a lot further than just being a great finisher

[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

  On 01/12/2012 at 23:29, fAnta said:

You do know falcao has one of the best shot to goal ratio's in the world, being 48% also i don't think you've seen enough of his goals because he has scored some insane goals. i think his goal will win puskas too:

Also no skill?

I don't care about youtube videos of players...I hate them.. They tell you nothing about a footballer except that someone wanted to make a youtube video of them. I never said that Falcao was a bad finisher, just that he's not automatic. (And how do you get 48% when he has 11 goals on 47 shots (including 5 or 6 penalties which makes him 5 or 6 for 42 in open play).

Look at the numbers of Falcao tin comparison o players I'd consider a more well-rounded strikers in Van Persie and Cavani and his one-dimensional is obvious. Van Persie is also a fantastic passer. He has double the number of key passes..Falcao has 1 cross all season. Van Persie has 14. Falcao turns the ball over 2,8 times a game. Van Persie 1.2. Or take someone like Cavani who is much better defensively. Falcao has 8 tackles all season. Cavani has 21. Falcao has 4 clearances, Cavani has 25. Etc...Falcao is excellent at scoring but he doesn't do anything else particularly well. Falcao is not a player that's going to win you games by himself, he's going to finish chances that are provided for him at a very good rate. .For 40-50M pounds, you need a hell of a lot more than that.

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  On 01/12/2012 at 23:31, TorontoChelsea said:

1) Because it's exactly what's wrong with Chelsea. The team isn't gelling, so go out and buy the biggest name available. This is why we're in the shape we're in. We need to be building a team, a philosophy rather than this. Falcao doesn't fit with players like Mata, Oscar, and Hazard. He needs a team built for him.

2) Falcao is a pretty-one dimensional player-much more so than people want to believe. He needs service to score and is limited in a number of other ways.

3) The amount of money it would cost to buy him is insane. Especially for someone who will be 27 in a couple of months.

I agree most of our past big transfers were panic buys, but as it comes to the strikers that are possibly available right now, all of them are big names (Falcao, Cavani, Lewandoski, Pato, Huntelaar, Dzeko, etc). I know we need to create a team with players of the same style and we need leadership and identidy, it wont come before a manager and we all know it.

I wouldnt take Lewandoski, Pato nor Huntelaar. They each have their major flaws...

Dzeko would be a very good option for less than 30mi, but he is already around 150k/week. He would bring just what we need, although he still isnt the best option.

Cavani aint cheaper than 40mi + 200k/week. He is the only one who delivers everything, he is the whole package!

Falcao is that insane 100mi, but he can get the job done and is less one dimensional than you are making him. If Cavani and Dzeko are too much of a dream, we cant risk sticking with Torres...

IMO

[fAnta 107]

  On 01/12/2012 at 23:45, Sheva. said:

How is that underrating? he's a great finisher, but not much else. I wouldn't call him a complete forward like i would someone like Ibrahimovic.

And i also think Cavani is closer to being a complete forward, than him.

what you just said contradicted yourself. he's a great finisher but not much else? i disagree.

People often say torres is very good teamplayer but look at this:

fernando has 1 assist and 4 goals in epl

falcao has 14 goals and 2 assists in la liga.

not just that but he is equally very good linking up.

Ibrahimovic is a one of a kind, like drogba. theres not been may complete players like him.

[fAnta 107]

  On 01/12/2012 at 23:52, TorontoChelsea said:

I don't care about youtube videos of players...I hate them.. They tell you nothing about a footballer except that someone wanted to make a youtube video of them. I never said that Falcao was a bad finisher, just that he's not automatic. (And how do you get 48% when he has 11 goals on 47 shots (including 5 or 6 penalties which makes him 5 or 6 for 42 in open play).

Look at the numbers of Falcao tin comparison o players I'd consider a more well-rounded strikers in Van Persie and Cavani and his one-dimensional is obvious. Van Persie is also a fantastic passer. He has double the number of key passes..Falcao has 1 cross all season. Van Persie has 14. Falcao turns the ball over 2,8 times a game. Van Persie 1.2. Or take someone like Cavani who is much better defensively. Falcao has 8 tackles all season. Cavani has 21. Falcao has 4 clearances, Cavani has 25. Etc...Falcao is excellent at scoring but he doesn't do anything else particularly well. Falcao is not a player that's going to win you games by himself, he's going to finish chances that are provided for him at a very good rate. .For 40-50M pounds, you need a hell of a lot more than that.

from shots on targets i meant. also what are you saying where did you get those stats 1 cross? i've seen him get 2 assists this season.

And falcao doesn't win games by himself, i remember this season he got a goal in last minute from a freekick winning the game.

He scored the goals in europa league final and doesn't only score in 5-0 games.

a one dimensional striker would never get the best striker in the world tag but most journalists say he is and so do most fans.

[themightyblue 443]

  On 01/12/2012 at 23:52, TorontoChelsea said:

I don't care about youtube videos of players...I hate them.. They tell you nothing about a footballer except that someone wanted to make a youtube video of them. I never said that Falcao was a bad finisher, just that he's not automatic. (And how do you get 48% when he has 11 goals on 47 shots (including 5 or 6 penalties which makes him 5 or 6 for 42 in open play).

Look at the numbers of Falcao tin comparison o players I'd consider a more well-rounded strikers in Van Persie and Cavani and his one-dimensional is obvious. Van Persie is also a fantastic passer. He has double the number of key passes..Falcao has 1 cross all season. Van Persie has 14. Falcao turns the ball over 2,8 times a game. Van Persie 1.2. Or take someone like Cavani who is much better defensively. Falcao has 8 tackles all season. Cavani has 21. Falcao has 4 clearances, Cavani has 25. Etc...Falcao is excellent at scoring but he doesn't do anything else particularly well. Falcao is not a player that's going to win you games by himself, he's going to finish chances that are provided for him at a very good rate. .For 40-50M pounds, you need a hell of a lot more than that.

Mate are you actually serious? Please watch a few games of Falcao. Tbh I can't wait till he comes to the premier league and proves people wrong for saying he's not worth 40-50 million when he's winning trophies and scoring goals for either us or City. He won't win you games by himself? Watch an Atletico game. Ask an Atletico and tell me Falcao has never won a game by himself. This is just as bad as when people describe Drogba as a target man

[Sheva. 5,373]

  On 01/12/2012 at 23:53, fAnta said:

what you just said contradicted yourself. he's a great finish but not much else?

People often say torres is very good teamplayer but look at this:

fernando has 1 assist and 4 goals in epl

falcao has 14 goals and 2 assists in la liga.

not just that but he is equally very good linking up.

Ibrahimovic is a one of a kind, like drogba. theres not been may complete players like him but then not all are.

Torres was a good team player last season, where he had 15 assists, now he doesn't do anything right.

  On 01/12/2012 at 23:50, themightyblue said:

That's my point though. If he was just a great finisher, he'd be rated at the same level as other great finishers like Huntelaar and Hernandez. There are a lot of great finishers in the world of football. I'm not trying to claim that Falcao has brilliant link up play or anything of the sort, but his skills extend a lot further than just being a great finisher

Like what though? i have watched him a lot, for Porto, Colombia and Atletico and the 1 thing i will tell you about him is he's a great finisher. Nothing else stands out.

[themightyblue 443]

Falcao has played in the possession based, high intesity and pressing Porto team

Played in a counter attacking Atletico team

Yet he wouldn't score goals here? I'm dumbfounded. He adapts, he can play in any system. I'm wasting my time here anyway. My advice is watch porto matches from a few years ago, watch Atletico this season and stop basing opinions on stats

[fAnta 107]

  On 02/12/2012 at 00:00, Sheva. said:

Torres was a good team player last season, where he had 15 assists, now he doesn't do anything right.

Like what though? i have watched him a lot, for Porto, Colombia and Atletico and the 1 thing i will tell you about him is he's a great finisher. Nothing else stands out.

Lol touche. at the end of the day we have an assist engine. falcao has the best aerial threat, iniesta described him in the feature of perfect player here. oscar,mata and hazard will be happy to see a striker scoring there chances and im sure chelsea fans would be too. I want a striker who can score goals. a striker that would put fear in opponents. falcao fits the bill and i hope if he comes chelsea will be a hit. you can give him a sniff and he will find a way to get the ball in the net, he has everything our attack is missing. we dominate but someone misses.

Also like i said i think because his finishing is so good people underrate his other aspects in a game. where another player would try and dribble then score falcao could probably get the ball in the net. he is a true number 9.

[TheCount 146]

You seen him tonight in the madrid derby, he was a ghost,

Against a defence almost that would be similar to what he'd encounter in the PL, he was terrible. (im not including our game against them btw, since people like to think athletico were amazing the truth of the matter was they were themselves and we didnt bother showing up)

He got no service and could not get near a goal or even make one, he's probably the world best finisher atm, and nothing more, and more important he's exactly what we dont need.

[Sheva. 5,373]

  On 02/12/2012 at 00:04, fAnta said:

Lol touche. at the end of the day we have an assist engine. falcao has the best aerial threat, iniesta described him in the feature of perfect player here. oscar,mata and hazard will be happy to see a striker scoring there chances and im sure chelsea fans would be too. I want a striker who can score goals. a striker that would put fear in opponents. falcao fits the bill and i hope if he comes chelsea will be a hit. you can give him a sniff and he will find a way to get the ball in the net, he has everything our attack is missing. we dominate but someone misses.

If he comes here he will score for sure, that's not even my problem with him. Torres with all his shitty movement has had very very good chances this season and found a way to miss most of them, a player like Falcao is capable of having a better conversion rate.

But it might not be as much as he did for Porto and Atletico due to the way we play, we don't deliver enough good crosses to take advantage of his aerial ability.

And until Rafa became manager, we don't even look to get the ball to the striker in behind the defence enough.

[themightyblue 443]

  On 02/12/2012 at 00:00, Sheva. said:

Torres was a good team player last season, where he had 15 assists, now he doesn't do anything right.

Like what though? i have watched him a lot, for Porto, Colombia and Atletico and the 1 thing i will tell you about him is he's a great finisher. Nothing else stands out.

His movement is second to none. He's constantly moving and dragging defenders out of position. You'll rarely ever see him static. Despite being said 'he has no link up play', this is a myth. His link up play is more than good enough for any top level club, he brings other people into the game and because of his outstanding leap he's able to bring balls down and flick them on for other players. His heading? Not much needs to be said, i'm sure we know how good this attribute is. He also has this quality of being able to make a yard of space for himself and scoring chances (very similar to Rvp). However, despite all of this the biggest thing for me about Falcao is that he's a big game player. He doesn't go hiding in the big games and always steps up to the plate when needed. If you really wanted a Drogba replacement, then Falcao would be that man.

With the current level of defending in the PL, Falcao would have a field day

[Sheva. 5,373]

  On 02/12/2012 at 00:10, themightyblue said:

His movement is second to none. He's constantly moving and dragging defenders out of position. You'll rarely ever see him static. Despite being said 'he has no link up play', this is a myth. His link up play is more than good enough for any top level club, he brings other people into the game and because of his outstanding leap he's able to bring balls down and flick them on for other players. His heading? Not much needs to be said, i'm sure we know how good this attribute is. He also has this quality of being able to make a yard of space for himself and scoring chances (very similar to Rvp). However, despite all of this the biggest thing for me about Falcao is that he's a big game player. He doesn't go hiding in the big games and always steps up to the plate when needed. If you really wanted a Drogba replacement, then Falcao would be that man.

With the current level of defending in the PL, Falcao would have a field day

I would argue today against Madrid was a massive game and he didn't make a positive contribution.

Maybe he's also a confidence player like Torres? because when he started the season so hot he could not stop scoring.

Then a couple games he failed to find the back of the net and his influence has been declining, and he's been getting easily frustrated.

[fAnta 107]

  On 02/12/2012 at 00:14, Sheva. said:

I would argue today against Madrid was a massive game and he didn't make a positive contribution.

Maybe he's also a confidence player like Torres? because when he started the season so hot he could not stop scoring.

Then a couple games he failed to find the back of the net and his influence has been declining, and he's been getting easily frustrated.

he is a big game player mate, but i think you should give him benifit of the doubt. atletico were awful today. he did score a pen but i guess not scoring in 3 games is a bad run for falcao P.S its also nice to actually have a discussion with someone who is substantiating his concerns.

[Sheva. 5,373]

  On 02/12/2012 at 00:19, fAnta said:

he is a big game player mate, but i think you should give him benifit of the doubt. atletico were awful today. he did score a pen but i guess not scoring in 3 games is a bad run for falcao P.S its also nice to actually have a discussion with someone who is substantiating his concerns.

Yeah i know this, i saw the two EL finals and also the super cup game vs us lol.

[themightyblue 443]

  On 02/12/2012 at 00:14, Sheva. said:

I would argue today against Madrid was a massive game and he didn't make a positive contribution.

Maybe he's also a confidence player like Torres? because when he started the season so hot he could not stop scoring.

Then a couple games he failed to find the back of the net and his influence has been declining, and he's been getting easily frustrated.

Drogba didn't always play well in games against United, but he was still regarded as a big game player. And the tag 'big game player' has come from his scoring records in finals. Falcao more often than not plays a part in some way in the big games.

I've never had Falcao down as a confidence player either. Even if he misses a chance, you'll still see him getting into goalscoring positions trying to put it in the net. When Torres misses a chance, he'll usually disappear for the next 60 or so minutes. A striker doesn't usually fire for a whole season though, so I'd say it's normal. Rvp had period where he didn't score for 3-5 games last season, but he still came out with 30 goals.