Helping Lamps Stay

[didierforever 7,349]

i think we are putting the wage debate out of proportion. since 2010 summer lets see who has left the club - ballack,cole,deco,belletti,carvalho (in the summer of 2010), zhirkov,anelka,alex(in 2011) and drogba, kalou and bosingwa (in summer of 2012) with malouda,sturridge and benayoun with probably essein, cole and lampard. add to that torres (who i think would probably leave us in the summer at least)

transfers in - benayoun,ramires,torres,luiz(2010),mata,lukaku, courtouis,romeu,bryune,cahill(2011),marin,oscar,azpi,hazard,moses(2012).

[meireles and youth players not included as i would expect their wages to not be that much of an issue]

while our transfers in have been untested and young players (for the most part) who would probably be at 50% or at max 75% of the wages of the players that have left us (almost every one on the out list was more than an accomplished player and i wont be suprised if most of them earned more than 100k pw).

considering the type of players we have brought in and that we anyways have probably the thinnest squad of the top 6-7 clubs in the epl, i would not think wages to be the sole concern or for that matter even the main concern.

i think its more about roman and his fantasy of having a "young" team with no player over 30 being a part of it. the results this season have shown that we still do need lampard. he gives us that X-factor. he is not merely a luxury but a necessity. plus he has shown signs of taking a lesser role too (sub role) and that should not hinder in the development of some our players (without him if we keep losing then that defintely wont develop those players at all).

so i say a one year contract is a MUST...

[The only place to be 11,313]

i think we are putting the wage debate out of proportion. since 2010 summer lets see who has left the club - ballack,cole,deco,belletti,carvalho (in the summer of 2010), zhirkov,anelka,alex(in 2011) and drogba, kalou and bosingwa (in summer of 2012) with malouda,sturridge and benayoun with probably essein, cole and lampard. add to that torres (who i think would probably leave us in the summer at least)

transfers in - benayoun,ramires,torres,luiz(2010),mata,lukaku, courtouis,romeu,bryune,cahill(2011),marin,oscar,azpi,hazard,moses(2012).

[meireles and youth players not included as i would expect their wages to not be that much of an issue]

while our transfers in have been untested and young players (for the most part) who would probably be at 50% or at max 75% of the wages of the players that have left us (almost every one on the out list was more than an accomplished player and i wont be suprised if most of them earned more than 100k pw).

considering the type of players we have brought in and that we anyways have probably the thinnest squad of the top 6-7 clubs in the epl, i would not think wages to be the sole concern or for that matter even the main concern.

You talk about the wages between now and 2010. Now not going to in-depth into the way FFP works with pre-2010 contracts I think it's pertinent to mention that in 2010 we made a loss of £70million and this year we made a £1million profit.

[didierforever 7,349]

You talk about the wages between now and 2010. Now not going to in-depth into the way FFP works with pre-2010 contracts I think it's pertinent to mention that in 2010 we made a loss of £70million and this year we made a £1million profit.

precisely my point. we have been doing cost cutting exercises for the past 4 years. last year we got a 1 million bonus despite losing 26 mil (i think) on avb (13 mil to porto and 13 mil as compenastion) though not sure. this tells us that we have done what is necessary for FFP. right now there is some leeway in FFP where a club can incur some losses to a particular extent which goes on decreasing. So in my opinion we are there as far as FFP is concerened but the actual problem is the club's new strategies (and by club i mean roman)

[The only place to be 11,313]

precisely my point. we have been doing cost cutting exercises for the past 4 years. last year we got a 1 million bonus despite losing 26 mil (i think) on avb (13 mil to porto and 13 mil as compenastion) though not sure. this tells us that we have done what is necessary for FFP. right now there is some leeway in FFP where a club can incur some losses to a particular extent which goes on decreasing. So in my opinion we are there as far as FFP is concerened but the actual problem is the club's new strategies (and by club i mean roman)

We've also lost money in the CL, AVB's compensation was paid up as a wage up until the point he got a new job (so he cost very little to sack) and you also have to factor in the costs of a new manager and player acquisition in the summer. Like I've mentioned, understanding the club's finances is tricky but what is clear to see is that every penny counts in the modern game.

[didierforever 7,349]

We've also lost money in the CL, AVB's compensation was paid up as a wage up until the point he got a new job (so he cost very little to sack) and you also have to factor in the costs of a new manager and player acquisition in the summer. Like I've mentioned, understanding the club's finances is tricky but what is clear to see is that every penny counts in the modern game.

no doubt it does, but somethings are necessary. people are crying over lamps and nothing so much for cole because we believe that lamps still got it and moreover he cant be totally replaced right now whereas cole maybe (some chance) of bertrand filling his shoes completely. moreover the results this season have shown the same. we win when lamps on the pitch and got a hard time without him.

plus i belive, it cant all be just financial, and i for one believe its more because of the club's changed status over aging players than any other thing.

[The only place to be 11,313]

no doubt it does, but somethings are necessary. people are crying over lamps and nothing so much for cole because we believe that lamps still got it and moreover he cant be totally replaced right now whereas cole maybe (some chance) of bertrand filling his shoes completely. moreover the results this season have shown the same. we win when lamps on the pitch and got a hard time without him.

plus i belive, it cant all be just financial, and i for one believe its more because of the club's changed status over aging players than any other thing.

I completely disagree with the Cole/Lampard debate.

Cole is still one of the best players in his position and if his ankle is up to it I'd like him to stay.

As for results, we lost against Corinthians, went down against Skahtar when he was on the pitch but won away to Spurs and Arsenal which were arguably our two best performances all season. This isn't a reliable way to assess his value apparently.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

Yes. Cough up the money to pay him for the extra years on his contract that he supposedly wants..

[didierforever 7,349]

I completely disagree with the Cole/Lampard debate.

Cole is still one of the best players in his position and if his ankle is up to it I'd like him to stay.

As for results, we lost against Corinthians, went down against Skahtar when he was on the pitch but won away to Spurs and Arsenal which were arguably our two best performances all season. This isn't a reliable way to assess his value apparently.

then lets agree to disagree. cole IS the best left back in the world but truthfully speaking i cant see him taking a pay-cut with more lucrative offers while with lamps i can.

u give me a couple of incidents of losing, is not that what football is? u cant have a 100% record but things look way better with lamps on the pitch. way more secure. if u want to name instances of lsin when lamps is on the pitch u should also name those without him - juve,wba,united, drawing to swansea, the whole whu fiasco.

anyways it seems the discussion is somewhat wasteful. i feel lamps is NECESSARY for atleast anothr season and it would be hard to change my mind (especially after the CL disaster of this season) while i think it would be near to impossible changing your mind.

[The only place to be 11,313]

then lets agree to disagree. cole IS the best left back in the world but truthfully speaking i cant see him taking a pay-cut with more lucrative offers while with lamps i can.

u give me a couple of incidents of losing, is not that what football is? u cant have a 100% record but things look way better with lamps on the pitch. way more secure. if u want to name instances of lsin when lamps is on the pitch u should also name those without him - juve,wba,united, drawing to swansea, the whole whu fiasco.

anyways it seems the discussion is somewhat wasteful. i feel lamps is NECESSARY for atleast anothr season and it would be hard to change my mind (especially after the CL disaster of this season) while i think it would be near to impossible changing your mind.

And the point is that you can look at each of those games and see numerous other factors (Clattenburg) for our losses.

Ultimately the club will decide. The best I can hope is that I've presented the counter-argument in a way that makes people think.

[didierforever 7,349]

And the point is that you can look at each of those games and see numerous other factors (Clattenburg) for our losses.

Ultimately the club will decide. The best I can hope is that I've presented the counter-argument in a way that makes people think.

if only life was so simple, then probably rdm would still be here.

anyways your arguments do make a lot of sense and thats y i had a lot of work done of FFP and our wages and all. but its still that nagging feeling of discomfort of not having lamps at the bridge and the way this season has panned out so far that tells that lamps is still required/needed.

in the end of u said, the club aka ROMAN will decide.

[KamikazeBlue 337]

Super Frankie!!