BlueLion. 21,491 Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 My argument is this - watch Fernando go this season. And while you're at it, have faith that he'll pull through. Class doesn't just desert a man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodojojo 510 Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 I agree Torres has to be judged based on this, his first full season, but there is no need to label people idiots.Fair enough and if the mods want me to delete it I will. It's the first time I've used the term for any poster here. But if anything warranted it, it's for using "undoubtedly shit and hopeless" about a player. I have my opinions on players too. I don't use those terms to describe their deficiencies.Edit: I just noticed you're the Admin So I will delete if you insist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanO 7 Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 I don't usually I don't post much but feel like posting. People are saying torres has shown nothing this season where I think his shown flashes of his past self e.g against us and against west ham. I think we should give him atleast a season before we hang him out to dry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionsden 4,689 Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 @ justin. you must have a lot of time on your hands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest justin_3d Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 @ justin. you must have a lot of time on your hands Yeah work sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran. 6,317 Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 I hope he scores 12 against Stoke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 Villa and Rooney went months without scoring last season why did no-one say they were finished?I think the performances were overstated a bit because of the price tag and the goals, his movement was actually pretty good and he does free up space for over attackers, apart from United away in the CL i don't think he was THAT bad before he scored, ironically it was after the West Ham goal he started to produce some stinkers.TBH if he only scores one goal next season and that the winner at Anfield that wins us the league that alone would be worth £50m. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran. 6,317 Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 Difference between Rooney + Villa and Torres is that they were out of form for a few months. Torres has been shit for a YEAR AND A HALF.I think he'll come good eventually. Probably not right at the start of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 Difference between Rooney + Villa and Torres is that they were out of form for a few months. Torres has been shit for a YEAR AND A HALF.I think he'll come good eventually. Probably not right at the start of the season.Rooney went EIGHT MONTHS without scoring from open play. Also Torres was not shit in 09/10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran. 6,317 Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 Rooney went EIGHT MONTHS without scoring from open play.8 =/= 18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 8 =/= 18Did Torres go through 18 months or even 8 without scoring? plus as i said Torres was NOT shit in 09/10 22 goals in 32 games for a team in freefall says it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue In Green 86 Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 Torres was a bad buy. Get over it, hope he contributes, if he doesn't, we're stuck with him because no one will take him with the wages he's on. After the Shevchenko folly, I hoped Roman had learned his lesson. Obviously, he didn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionsden 4,689 Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 Torres was a bad buy. Get over it, hope he contributes, if he doesn't, we're stuck with him because no one will take him with the wages he's on. After the Shevchenko folly, I hoped Roman had learned his lesson. Obviously, he didn't.:goodpost: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bababoom 4,478 Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 It seems like some of you want him to fail just so you can say you were right... He is a Chelsea player so you should support him and not doubt him every minute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kostas 1,468 Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 It seems like some of you want him to fail just so you can say you were right...I don't believe that.On the other hand I bet we'll have half of the forum patting themselfs on the back for not turning into drama queens once he starts performing again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joker10 946 Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 Torres scored 18 goals in 22 games in 09/10 PL competition, that is pretty good for a shitty player.I still can't believe some of you are calling the Torres signing a mistake after 3 months. Lets remember that Torres has the highest goals per game ratio in the PL since arriving, he is incredible player and will come good.Give him a year ffs, then form an opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest justin_3d Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 My argument is this - watch Fernando go this season. And while you're at it, have faith that he'll pull through. Class doesn't just desert a man.Ok, I will try to bite my tongue for half of the new season about Torres and won't say much more. I will wait and let time be the judge.And I will have a little faith, only when i see him change his awful attitude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDN Blue 7,903 Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Some of you must be feeling like Tano Pasman! Nah not really, I stand by that excitement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wxgba 306 Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 In the 31st of January 2011 CFC has completed the signing of El nino who was back then as some might call the best striker on this planet . Chelsea and particularly Roman Abrahimovic was trying to force this move since 2008 as Torres without a doubt was a striker that would easily step in any team of the world and will add to its quality.But did this move come too late for Roman and Chelsea ?? or was it just a case of Torres moving during the club's worst circumstances since the RA era ??I have gone through his season was liverpool in 2009/2010 and half of 2010/2011 , during 2009/2010 his season was absolutely great regardless what some might say , he had a great season and scored 22 goals in 32 appearances.He had his worst days with liverpool during 2010/2011 before moving to chelsea but it was almost known for everyone that torres was seeking a way out and that he wasn't happy with the reds , but even then on his day he was deadly as all of us would recall his 2 superb goals against chelsea in the stamford bridge .So Untill torres moved to chelsea he had the class in him , he was still a great striker and superb goalscorer but since then it's a whole different story ...El nino scored just one goal since January , and has played poorly , he seemed to lose his pace , his touch was too heavy , his movement was average and his finishing ... well he didn't have that much of chances but based on the very limited chances he had , his finishing was poor as well. Many people would say that torres's best days are behind him and that due to his several injuries he has lost his pace and that was his best attribute and now he is just an average striker . they will point to his poor world cup form and his start of the season with liverpool and say that his dip in form didn't start when he wore the blue shirt but there was signs of it . They will say Torres is overrated and benefited from the fact that the liverpool team was built around him and they absolutely think that Torres is Sheva no.2While others will argue that Class is permenant and form is temporary , No player can suddenly lose all of his greatness and that torres has a confidence problem and as soon as that get fixed he will be firing again . Torres moved during a very "BAD MOMENT" for chelsea , all of their strikers were firing blanks so it wasn't just a case of fernando , as most of our goals came from corners or Defense . Torres heavy touch , lose of pace and whole body language showed that he is not comfortable at all , may be he needs to adapt to life in london , may be chelsea style of play needs tuning to suit him more as AVB said but what was clear that torres had a mental problem . but as soon as that is fixed Torres will be back .As i have said before , i have spent most of the day watching El nino's old seasons and I don't think that a player can lose all of his attributes that quickly , that is why i am inclined to the second argument . Torres has been a superb striker and you can't just get from being superb to pure shit , if he was average or he had bad games and good games i might have said that he is losing it but to suddenly lose it all doesn't make sense for me.I am one of those who believe that we shouldn't build the team around torres but a good play-maker and 2 wingers is very much needed to get torres back and to help any other striker playing instead of him.Credit where it's due - it's a good topic that will spark a lot of interest and discussion. However, I do believe your article - assuming this is yours - is rather unbiased for a forum. Personally, I'd prefer to read more about what you think and what you'd "say", as opposed to the hypothetical "Many people may say..." that you continually refer to. Don't worry, I'm not slating your work, I'm merely criticising constructively to give you some feedback.I must admit that I was excited, but a bit leery of the Torres signing. Leery mainly because of the £50m price tag and his fitness. However, I don't believe that this is the sad final chapter of a once world class striker. There were several things that I thought explained his goal scoring, or lack thereof, record with us. First, I'll just come out and say it: he was unlucky. Second, as others have touched on, he was coming off a world cup year and was not full fit. Next, he was facing immense pressure after his transfer. Even a confident, highly skilled footballer like Torres is not immune to the immense pressures of such a massive transfer. He had to adjust to a new team that was struggling at the time and a manager that was unsure how to use him. Finally, I think the service was simply not there for him. Torres, like many top strikers, needs creative play behind him in order to succeed. I am confident that AVB can rekindle the raging inferno of goals that is Fernando Torres. However, we must upgrade the creativity and pace of our squad via promotion/inclusion of our youth and purchasing several new players.I agree, particularly on the unlucky part to your argument. Torres was unlucky, without a question about it. His first goal for us may have been a touch lucky in the way that it fell for him. It's clichéd, I know, but I am a firm believer that one makes their own luck and he fully deserved that goal.I posted once in this to make a point. But it doesn't seem to have gotten through. And the argument that we give Torres time and support to show his worth this season and if he fails, then he'll deserve crap rather than slating him now during the preseason...doesn't seem to have gotten through either. I give up. I bow to this: "Don't argue with idiots. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."You're perfectly right in everything you've said, mate, so you've not to worry.One thing I do believe many people are bypassing is the fact that Torres does possess much more than a goalscoring threat. Although he hasn't been prolific (as of yet...), he's still been threatening. His movement's been good whilst the service, simultaneously, has been poor. With better service he would have opened up his tally for the club much sooner. He also works ever so hard off the ball, which people seem to forget/ignore.After he's had time to rest and recuperate - which he's now had - and a full pre-season to fully get himself settled within the club, he'll soon be back to his best. Mark my words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLion. 21,491 Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Fair enough and if the mods want me to delete it I will. It's the first time I've used the term for any poster here. But if anything warranted it, it's for using "undoubtedly shit and hopeless" about a player. I have my opinions on players too. I don't use those terms to describe their deficiencies.Edit: I just noticed you're the Admin So I will delete if you insist.Haha there's no need to delete it, just some people might take it the wrong way! I don't usually I don't post much but feel like posting. People are saying torres has shown nothing this season where I think his shown flashes of his past self e.g against us and against west ham. I think we should give him atleast a season before we hang him out to dry.My sentiments exactly.Torres scored 18 goals in 22 games in 09/10 PL competition, that is pretty good for a shitty player.I still can't believe some of you are calling the Torres signing a mistake after 3 months. Lets remember that Torres has the highest goals per game ratio in the PL since arriving, he is incredible player and will come good.Give him a year ffs, then form an opinion. Precisely, unless you score 30 goals a season you are evidently not good enough for this club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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