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most of those players left because they wanted, not because we asked them to (the list in the post you quoted). Some of them didn't fit the plan, as much as people love Mata, we had huge issues playing with him, just like we have huge issues in our midfield right now. The KdB saga have been well reported throughout the whole thing and even Wolfsburg manager - when Kevin was at his best in the club - said that Kevin is the kind of player that works well when things work the way he wants them to work, when he's got the power. Sorry, I don't want a player like that in my team, even if he's Messi or Ronaldo. All others left because they were rightfully benched for better players - except Luís. I continue to believe that's been the only mistake Mourinho's done with players leading them to leave the team and I think he's very close to lead Remy to do the same, which would account as another mistake. The 'I told so' party looks happy now - some of them - which is obnoxious as hell. Sorry, but they haven't told anything so. The team is completely off track right now, there might be some dressing room problem but fact remains all of those players except the keepers haven't showed up. They aren't performing and they don't look like trying hard to change it. did they predict Hazard to play shit? Cesc to play shit? Azpilicueta to lose his solidness? Matic to look shaky? It's so easy to say 'We've been saying since January how bad the team is' and since the end of January - when City had the same amount of points as us we won a EPL title. Things look terrible now, it's a really bad moment and I think our EPL season is already compromised and we may not play UCL the following season, but am I to suppose the 'I told so' party also predicted Azpilicueta, Matic, Hazard, JT - which were our most solid players to be playing so bad now? Or will they say that when the rest is so bad there's nothing they can do? If I were to mention their individual mistakes in just five matches this post would be much longer. Yes, Cesc had a bad patch, but wasn't the 'I told so' party convinced it was because he can't perform in second halves of seasons? When some people pointed other things around they came barking this half-arsed excused as if it was gospel. Well, why aren't they saying it now? Oh because it's now the first half of the season, so they decided to point out what few had refused to acknowledge: he's slow and doesn't offer the physicality in the midfield. It worked for many months, it could work again just like that. The thing is the system isn't working, no player is working, the manager isn't working, even the computer isn't working. It's a collective things (people) gone wrong thing and then we're in this form. But let's replace Cesc doesn't play in the second half for a new more fitting one: José Mourinho doesn't stand longer than 2 seasons, it's a 3-season curse (or inability, you decide the term). Sorry, many points are valid, but there's no much self-entitlement, and big egos going on (which is SOOOOOO amusing when said people are slamming mourinho for having a big ego) that is hard to take some people seriously. Also, if we're out of UCL for a season, if we don't win bullocks this season, it won't be the first, second or even tenth time in the history of this club. It's not the end of the world. We rose to the world's football elite very quickly and even if we momentarily fall off of it, it won't be the end of the world either. We can just easily climbed it up again. Ask anyone 12 years ago if they believed our rising to football elite would be as fast as it had been and they would laugh hard in your face and call you delusional. If we did it once, I don't see why we couldn't do it again from a much better 'starting' point right now, have things gone to the worst. The overreaction is still overboard by how far some people are taking this. And if by losing the football elite badge would mean losing some sort of fans, I'm all for it and I'll embrace it with all my heart. With quantity there's always a drop in quality, so I wouldn't mind that at all. Jose is making a lot of mistakes, he still has my support and it's his mess to fix. If he notices he can't fix it, he should be the one to step down. The players are so poor right now, that's almost second hand embarrassment, it's also their mess to fix and if they can't find it within themselves the right motivation to play and defend this shirt as they should (and as they have been doing) they can also write down their transfer request. All of them will go away at some point, but Chelsea will stay, even if it's not at the top and while I won't be too happy about it, I won't love the club any less. But I don't believe what's happening right now jeopardizes what we've accomplished at all. We may take a setback, but we'll be at the top again soon after it, if it even happens in the first place. So, the overreaction is really unnecessary. It has happened with the biggest historical teams in the world, what made people believe we were to be immune to that? And most of them came to the top again...

It is. Oscar is a phenomenon... every average player and their mother are discussed in his thread and he's discussed in every other player's thread as well. If they aren't hating on him, they're praising some third level player... There are some posters that are fair, but in general, it's all just petty discussion here and everywhere.

I feel like such a bad fan now... How could I forget the Happy One is happy after every match. It feels like I don't even know my manager... that should be the second of the list - after he blames someone.

I didn't even bother to read them, I know he'll blame someone, say we deserved better and that his players were amazing. Did I miss anything or got anything wrong?

The best match we played so far he's featured - which was against the Swans. but seriously, we can't hope Oscar is going to solve it. First he isn't a fantastic player, he's very, very good imo (clearly) when in form, but he isn't the kind of player that turns a team around. Also we don't have a clue which form he will be when he comes back. But as said above, it's hard to be any worse than the ones playing now...

yep. I'm disappointed with his choices, but it seems like he works hard, but not what should be worked. We look like a team that hasn't been drilled in anything. We look poor in all three zones of the pitch. We have no unit, organization, style, anything. Blaming him for playing Ivanovic is the easy way to show how poor he's been. We look exactly the opposite of what we were last season around this time. We were still organizing our defense, but those were individual mistakes, not the lack of everything we see now. It seems he's been worrying too much about too many things - many of them which aren't even his problem - and not focusing in the one that is his problem alone: train the team properly. Why do we look so insipid? because the players are poor? That's just one aspect. Even poor players show through their poor playing they have drilled something in training sessions. We look completely lost. Like a bunch of players put together. If one tried to use a word to define our defense, midfield and attack what word (other than mess) could they come up with? Teams have philosophies, and whether they're bad or good is up to discussion, but we look like nothing. Every time we defend in defense or midfield, we make transition from defense to midfield and midfield to attack and every time we attack we look a different way. Sometimes we press, sometimes we don't, sometimes we play a low block, sometimes we don't, sometimes we transition exchanging passes, sometimes we move the ball quickly forward. Sometimes our striker is out of the box, sometimes he's inside, sometimes our wingers infiltrate, sometimes they don't. We never shoot outside the box (today was the exception). Actually this season we barely shot. We look clueless in all sort of set piece, but especially lost in our corners. This is a team that hasn't been drilled and that's much worse than playing Ivanovic. For that José should be held responsible more than anything else and for that he should consider resigning if he doesn't come up with answers, that's his main job after all.

too many players badmouth him and say he's a completely classless manager. I'd stick with Klopp, but I haven't given up on José yet. I'm deeply disappointed though

Ancelotti is a poor manager... simple as that. He's a gentleman, polite, nice, but horrible tactician, he stopped in time and he would actually be a downgrade in terms of tactics although I'm sure he'd make the atmosphere good again. But those atmosphere changes are just for very, very, very short time (months) and then the shortcomings start popping up. I know playing Iva is ridiculous, but we have no idea how Baba is going to fit in - or if he will. Not using Luís properly last season - which led him to want to go, is José biggest mistake regarding our FBs. All Chelsea fans thinking Baba is the answer or salvation, show how desperate we are. I agree, it's hard to be worse than Iva, it doesn't mean there will be real improvement with Baba. Mourinho made an assessment mistake with Luís AND a bigger one with Iva.

that's the thing... the problems from last season aren't this big. There has been problems, many people pointed them out. Let's not pretend we played this bad last season. The players look disinterested. It's like they're resting in their laurels (winning the league) and won't bother. Further proof of that is if they all sudden show up in the UCL. Mourinho made mistakes then and now, but he isn't the only problem. That's an ignorant statement and giving the players any excuse for their behavior is a bigger one. They're very well paid by the club, they SHOULD at least show up.

no, thank you. All that said, Jose has been performing worse than our players... and that's saying a lot. He needs to figure things out. I don't believe we should sack him, but if he fails to solve it, he should resign. It's the right thing to do. You support the manager, the club will look like idiots firing someone they just gave a contract renew. The only noble thing to do is resignation, although I'm not saying right now. He needs to figure his shit out as much as the players do. We don't have anyone in form in the team, starting from our manager.

Opposition fans would also be an option, just to make it 10

Mourinho has lost the plot with this Falcao thing... completely lost it.

Well, to start off, Kenedy is a completely different player to Willian. We all complain about how much covering Willian has to do for Iva, but in reality he's awful in the final third. Kenedy is way more direct. He should improve his decision making (much like Willian needs to), but he's more decisive than Willian despite being only 19. Mourinho did drop Cahill for Zouma and is integrating Kenedy to the team, so I think in general he must believe the youngsters we have in the ranks aren't good enough for us. Although in our current situation, we should bring as many Academy players as possible. If they have the right mindset, they'll draw their blood in the pitch to keep their spots, something our seniors players aren't bothering at all.

well, with an assist to his name. He's done his part. LOL He's been atrocious, really.

but then he should also sub Cesc... if we were bad with a Matic-Mikel pivot, we'll look even worse with Matic-Cesc

He had positives and negatives last season, but this season has been straight negatives. There isn't one thing he's good at. Not one. We're all claiming for Baba, but we don't know at all how well he'll respond. If Mourinho had given Luís more chances last season I DOUBT with all his struggle to find the timing and way to defend in EPL he and Azpili would have been worse than Iva has been now. SEriously, how many goals we conceded this season he was mainly, entirely or partially at fault?

someone let me know when I should bother watching it again. I had to leave briefly and I don't feel compelled to come back. Has the second half started already?

The thing is, I think is unfair to demand him to do it like that. We can hope, but no defense in a top team in the world should require that much protection. It's almost like leaving a one-year old on his own, you know. They don't know the basic or fail to do the basic and then we must hope and pray our DM saves the day. There's so much is fair to demand from him, but we really miss his best days.

could he remember now how to protect our defense to the maximum as he did last season? While I don't have all the answers to our current problems one of the big ones is that. I don't think it's his entire responsibility to cover for our deficient defense, but we miss it because we're just exposed now that our defense is relying basically on their (lack of) capability of defending. Zouma has been our best defender in those five rounds imo. We scream about Iva, but Azpili hasn't been nearly as good defensively as he used too, Cahill wasn't too bad, but he's never too good either and Terry had ups and downs.

Mourinho firmly believes in Iva's important goals and leadership in the pitch. He should just use his brains and realize neither is paying off the amount of goals and work our GK have to put up because of his defensive mistakes. It's really simple, the damage he brings is much bigger than the good he serves.

Fabregas doesn't need to be indefinitely dropped, just until he regains some form and against some sort of opposition, now Iva should never play for us again. Not in the the fourth round of COC

in the five minutes I didn't watch? I really didn't watch the last five minutes... Because until then he was MIA

Mourinho should have DROPPED Cesc, not moved him to the #10. Ivanovic shouldn't ever play for us, but I don't see José having the balls to drop either.

exactly how I feel. I'm so dumbfounded that I don't even bother. The players won't bother, the manager doesn't really bother either. Why would I?

sorry, that's a ridiculous assessment if serious...