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LOL. Moses isn't fast now? Also, Sterling takes Moses and Coutinho spot. Schurrle has played how many games this season? Your football statements and basic accounting background is rather funny.

LOL. You could argue that both Schurrle and Willian are both Lw or cam/ss and not rw... Moses would of been sufficient on the wings. LOL at FIFA. If Fifa too complicated for you, I dont know how you will adapt to real life.

give up what... Your nonsense... You said that we needed to strengthen the most important part of our team, which was AM. When everyone on this board would agree that am is probably the position we would least have to strengthen. Too complicated for you. Maybe it time to go back to accounting 101.

Do you know how to spell?

So, your saying Jose system is more dependent on our ams than our CF? Yet, Drogba was the key to Jose all those years....

You forget we had Oscar, hazard, mata, kdb, moses and marin...... If anything we had a solid 4 with Moses who i consider decent at least. For striker you think Torres fits the system that Mourinho wants? Ba plays the number 9 that Mourinho wants? Lukaku plays the number 9 that Mourinho wants? By your logic, we should of sold all 3.

Torres was reported all over the summer to leave Chelsea... Same as Mata was. LOL, FIFA/Fm... You do know we purchased Willian and Schurrle and MVG in the summer. In addition, if the 7m was a huge factor, wtf would we buy 2 ams instead of a solid CF when we were stacked in AMs? Maybe this concept is too complicated for you to understand. No wonder why you failed basic accounting 101.

Umm. We could afford to sell Torres, we just couldn't find the right deal. Just as QPR could afford to sell their players, but they couldn't because of high wages in their contracts. Selling Torres this season would of yielded a loss as I said in the whole page. However, in the next 2 seasons we would have saved 7m/year for 2 years and had a better striker for us.... You understand that or is that too complicated for you? The difference would of been 7m in the first year (2013) as I said was definetely not a factor on why we couldnt sell FT9. 7m differential loss in 2013 vs getting aka Rooney/Costa with a 7m gain in 2014 and 2015. Do the math or maybe its too complicated. I'll make it simple. Would you rather have Drogba in his prime for an additional 7m in the first year with gains of 7m the following seasons or would you rather have Shevchenko/Crespo for another season just to save 7m for one year even though everything evens out financially.

Yea. If we sell Torres in 2013. We would have a net loss of 20m as you said. Than we would have gains of 7m for the next 2 seasons... vs If we sell Torres in 2014 we would have a loss of 13m as you said with only a gain of 7m in the final season. Since, that is essentially what we are saving if we sell Ft9. So, essentially, the numbers are the same. It's just spaced out differently. I dont understand why you keep saying I fail to understand the unamortized value is 30m and not 10 when I use 30 m in the calculations... Edit... I'll rephrased my wording. We are saving 7m for the next 2 seasons, rather than saving just for ft9 final contract year had we sold FT9 in 2013. On the books, the difference with Torres on the books vs 30m striker on the books is essentially that.

What do I fail to understand? Umm, we already took the entire unamortized amount into consideration into the calculation. Which as you pointed out was 30m. Hence, 30m-10-9m+6+6= 20m loss Also, I dont think you understand the 10m is the gain we would of paid for the unamoritzed amount had we kept Torres on a yearly basis + 9m in wages=19m Subtract that from the proposed new striker which is 12m. Equals a net of 7m gain per year.... Also, I said to him basically, what your saying is that we should sell him in his final year of his contract since his unamortized value would be at it lowest. The numbers would be like this. 2013: 20m loss 2014: 7m gain 2015: 7m gain vs Keep Torres for another season 2014: 13m loss 2015: 7m gain.

The gain would be the amount we would have to pay if he was still on the books.... 10m unamortized value + 9m in wages -12m=7m for both 2014 and 2015. If we sold him this upcoming summer we would have a loss of 13m as you mentioned and only a gain of 7m for the final contract year. So, essentially, as you learn in basic accounting, everything balances out.

Exactly. QPR board made a complete mess for themselves with blind transfee fees and huge wages..

Jose says a lot of things. Selling Torres for a difference of 7m is what? A huge Loss, when we would recover it back the following season as a gain. We purchased Willian, Schurrle and MVG. Sold Essien for nothing and will probably release both Cole and Lampard. Your basically saying the best alternative was to sell when his unamortized value is at its lowest point. So, you think keeping Torres, instead of purchasing Costa at a 30m price to save 7m was what the board was thinking on why we didn't sell him? When I say a million youngsters on payroll, when did I say youth academy when we have a million loanees that are on the books.

Not really. My math is right, I just didn't include adding in a new striker into the equation. Also, if we did go by the new striker variable, than as you mentioned with your numbers, we would have a 20m loss last season and a gain of 7m the next 2 seasons..... Rather than having a 13m loss, and only a gain of 7 m for the last season.

eh, PSG should go for David Silva. He's able to play 4-4-2, 4-3-3- or 4-2-3-1. I don't think either Oscar/Hazard would excel with Zlatan. silva-matudi-verrati cavani-zlatan-lavezzi

Actually, I just realized you did it wrong. In 2013: 27m-9m-10m= 8m loss In 2014: 18m -9m-10m= 1m gain However, if we did it in 2013, we would have a net gain of 18m (9m +9m) in 2014 and another net gain of 18m in 2015.

Yes, MR. FFP expert. So, by your logic the most reasonable thing to do is sell him with 1 year left in his contract since his unamortized value will be 9m + 9m in wages. 2013: 27m Unamort + 9m wages-10m transfer fee= (26)m 2014: 18m unamort + 9m wages-10m transfer fee= (17)m 2015: 9m unamort +9m wages -10m transfer fee= (8)m Also, you forget one thing. We are still paying another year of wages for Torres, potentially losing the title because of inefficiencies up front (means less money), losing a year that another payer can be adapted into Chelsea system and be our future n9, etc. So, your telling me that marin, lukaku, piazon, etc are not including into FFP consideration?

it be great to see Salah-Willian-Schurrle for this game. With Lampard and matic behind them. Maybe give Ba a run.

And where do you come up with Remy transfer fee from, when he has a release clause in his contract. The same release clause he had in France. Loans are possible because it is a short term commitment. Transfers are not. You can make a mistake loaning in a player like liverpool did with Moses and it wouldn't be a financial burden. Those players are on contract still, just like Malouda was on contract still and collecting checks from us. Did we cut him free? NO. Did we sell him? No. I don't think you read, but neither JC and Park are starters for QPR and bosignwa i have no clue if he starts. YEs, MR FFP expert. Apparently, we could not sell Torres, yet we were able to purchase Schurrle, MVG and Willian in the summer. We had a net loss for the past 2 years. We are able to have a million youngsters on payroll though. We are getting no transfer fee for either Cole or Lampard and got nothing from Essien. Obviously, you have no background in basic accounting.

DO you know how much their wages are? Why do you think they went to QPR? Fernando Torres has a pretty good CV, you dont see us making any deals for him do you? Kaka had a pretty good cv and he left on a free transfer..... Loans aren't difficult. Look at us, we loan all our youngsters out with ease. Remy is not. Park is not. JC is not. Granero and tarrabat maybe, but probably not. Take away Samba transfer fee and see what their net is. I enjoy how you come up with random transfer fee numbers...

Remy is gone this summer. Park is old. You really think someone going to pay a transfer fee for Park? Also, park is not a starter even though he was captain. Bosingwa is old. You really think someone going to pay a transfer fee for him? JC lost his starting role... Granero sucked And the Milan cam was always going to leave them.... You don't seem to know the QPR board that gave ridiculous high wages to their players? Of course they are one terrible board, with the amount of money that was put into the club and being relegated.... None of these guys are coming back to QPR, they were loaned out because the board couldn't finalized deals properly for them. Look at their transfer history. The only decent money they got back was Samba, who went back to his original team for a lower price than what he was purchased.

its also hilarious that you seem to know more about Remy than me... Even though his release clause has been publicized multiple times in England. Um, if they get promoted. What if they dont? Why would you risk loaning one of your best players to another team? Maybe, it's because he was going to leave anyways, but a deal was never made. Remy came to QPR/England just for money/exposure, he could care less about QPR. So, if Chelsea were playing in the championship, would we loan Hazard to a team in the EPL just cause he doesn't want to play in the championship?

Silva has been fantastic for City this year.... I think the best player minus Aguero on City this season. The amount of work he puts in is amazing and the way he dictates games is unbelievable. The only negative I have with Silva is his eye for goal. Statistically, Hazard has been better, but Silva/nasri is a huge part of City success this season. Watching David Silva play is similar to watching Iniesta play, both aren't stat whores, but both are productive to team success.

Cech Zabs-Jt-Cahill-Kolorav Matic/Fernandinho-Gerrard-Yaya Aguero-Suarez-Silva Bench: Joe Hart, Negredo, Hazard, henderson, Daniel sturridge, Nasri, Dave AZP, Iva, Mert/Kos, skrtl, and Ramsey Worse transfer/Flop of the season: Fellani/Mata

Ronaldinho saved Barcelona. Ronaldinho peak is better than Messi. However, as with a lot of Brazilians, his peak was short. Ronaldinho/Deco/edmilson was a huge reason why Messi became Messi. GO ask Messi who he thinks is better.